Just LOL at Israel

[Deleted Member 103414]

This is a Christian site btw, I never knew that God supported genocide. Oh wait, he does (Deuteronomy 20:16).
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
To make it relevant to today, the loving Christian God is giving Israel permission to kill all in the land of Palestine.

You can see at the top (although hidden by the banner), this is the top ten reasons to support Israel.
Fucking laughable. All of their reasons come from the Bible, and the "We owe it to the Jews!" is diabolical.

I inspect element'd the backing behind the reasons (to shorten it all down), but I'll share the link.

Ten Reasons to Support Israel

There is no doubt that Israel enjoys growing support from the Evangelical movement today. At times this support is little understood…

www.icej.org

 

[foidslayer]

but isghaelll!!! khamas is the antichrist!! palestine was promised to us 3000 years ago

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

Can't wait to hear why you've given a dislike. @sasalele
Got a little Israeli blood in you, or do you just approve of genocide?

 

[Krusty]

caged this cant be serious

 

[nate]

Can't wait to hear why you've given a dislike. @sasalele
Got a little Israeli blood in you, or do you just approve of genocide?

Personally a bit of both in my case

 

[𐲀 𐲢 𐲠 𐲀 𐲇 𐲰]

benny Netanyahu smite him down

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

benny Netanyahu smite him down

I can see a red dot on the wall slowly approaching my forehead.

 

[foidslayer]

im finna tell big yahu on you

 

[SASALELE]

I never knew that God supported genocide. Oh wait, he does (Deuteronomy 20:16).

Im all for hating on jews, but there are better verses to quote. There is nothing wrong with Deuteronomy 20:16 when you add the context. If you want to be irrefutable, you need to know what youre talking about instead of quoting random verses you heard somewhere.

Deuteronomy 20:16-18 ESV
“But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.”

Genocide is based on ethnicity, race, or nationality, and it is irrespective of behaviour. The people whom God condemned were sacrificing children, sexually exploited people including children, and committed extreme idolatry. And these kinds of behaviours were spreading. People were turning bad and getting caught in their cult. They had to be removed, or everyone would end up like them.

People love to say “why dont God just remove all evil things?”. Well he did and you call him a murderer.

Anyway, as to not defend jews, instead of Deuteronomy 16:20, you could quote Niddah 44b in the Talmud which leads:

“Intercourse with a girl under three years old is like putting a finger in the eye; just as the eye heals, so too she returns to virgin status.”

Meaning: if you have sex with a child under the age of 3, it doesnt count and shes still a virgin.



@Moonlight @Shkypot

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

Im all for hating on jews, but there are better verses to quote. There is nothing wrong with Deuteronomy 20:16 when you add the context. If you want to be irrefutable, you need to know what youre talking about instead of quoting random verses you heard somewhere.

Deuteronomy 20:16-18 ESV
“But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.”

So God commands us to eliminate all followers of other religions, because their views are against yours? Got it.
The verse still says, "according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods." This isn't just a behavioural-based attack, this is also a religious genocide.

Anyway, as to not defend jews, instead of Deuteronomy 16:20, you could quote Niddah 44b in the Talmud which leads:

“Intercourse with a girl under three years old is like putting a finger in the eye; just as the eye heals, so too she returns to virgin status.”

Meaning: if you have sex with a child under the age of 3, it doesnt count and shes still a virgin.



@Moonlight @Shkypot

Ye ye, Jews will be Jewing.

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

And what part of Christian ethos allows for Deuteronomy 7:1-2?

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

 

[SASALELE]

So God commands us to eliminate all followers of other religions, because their views are against yours? Got it.

No, as a Christian you are under no circumstances allowed to kill anyone because of their believes, neither would God ever command killings for the sole purpose of eliminating opposing beliefs. As a human, we all have free will to chose what to follow and believe, but intervention had to be made when these people were committing despicable acts to men, women, and children, as well as turning good people into doing the same things.

The difference between a muslim, hindu, jew, etc, and the people spoken of in Deuteronomy 20:16, is that one group are practising their believes in “reasonably peaceful methods”, and rarely converts people with the same violence, evil, and quantity as the other groups.

The verse still says, "according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods."

Whether their abominable practices are religious or not is irrelevant. The verse just mentions that they are for religious purposes. God is commending their deaths to minimise the damage their child sacrificing, child prostitution, conversion of people to do the same, etc. There have been countless different beliefs since the beginning of time, and God would never intervene to stop them if they werent as evil as these people were. It was really a choice between killing these groups, or allowing everyone on earth to become child raping murderers.

In Matthew for example, we actually see opposite of “God hates people of different faith”. Jewish Pharisees criticised Jesus for eating with “unclean” people (including people of different religious groups). Even though it gave him a horrible reputation and brought him a step closer to execution, he refused to care about this criticism.

And what part of Christian ethos allows for Deuteronomy 7:1-2?

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

These are the same groups of people. Same story here; preventative and behaviour based.

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

No, as a Christian you are under no circumstances allowed to kill anyone because of their believes, neither would God ever command killings for the sole purpose of eliminating opposing beliefs. As a human, we all have free will to chose what to follow and believe, but intervention had to be made when these people were committing despicable acts to men, women, and children, as well as turning good people into doing the same things.

The difference between a muslim, hindu, jew, etc, and the people spoken of in Deuteronomy 20:16, is that one group are practising their believes in “reasonably peaceful methods”, and rarely converts people with the same violence, evil, and quantity as the other groups.

Whether their abominable practices are religious or not is irrelevant. The verse just mentions that they are for religious purposes. God is commending their deaths to minimise the damage their child sacrificing, child prostitution, conversion of people to do the same, etc. There have been countless different beliefs since the beginning of time, and God would never intervene to stop them if they werent as evil as these people were. It was really a choice between killing these groups, or allowing everyone on earth to become child raping murderers.

In Matthew for example, we actually see opposite of “God hates people of different faith”. Jewish Pharisees criticised Jesus for eating with “unclean” people (including people of different religious groups). Even though it gave him a horrible reputation and brought him a step closer to execution, he refused to care about this criticism.

Where exactly does it say that these people were evil? The words "detestable" and "abominable" were used, but this is followed by "that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God." This could come down to anything that goes against Christianity. Do you believe that paganism is evil, just because they're polytheistic and worship nature? They do not have any inherently harming ideologies, yet Christians deem them detestable for going against Christian belief.

I see no historical/biblical evidence that supports these civilisations being evil. You are presuming, which is coming from a position of Christian bias. If we are to look at the verse from an unbiased eye, we read that God is justifying murder under the justification that his follower reclaim their promised land. I wonder if that has any relevancy today?

 

[SASALELE]

Where exactly does it say that these people were evil?

In the Bible:

(Deuteronomy 18:10)

Outside the Bible:
Ugaritic texts such as baal cycle, tale of aquat, and legend of keret. These are text found in archeology that describe Canaanite practices and religion.

Baal Cycle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tale of Aqhat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Legend of Keret - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There have also been archeological evidence of infant skulls in burial grounds with carved writings dedicating them to deities of their cult.

The words "detestable" and "abominable" were used, but this is followed by "that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God." This could come down to anything that goes against Christianity.

I understand the thought process, but hes just mentioning that theyre doing it for their gods. Of course he disproves of the worship of “fake idols”, but its not why he gave them an early death, but rather the evil things they were doing which go against Christianity.

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

In the Bible:
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(Deuteronomy 18:10)

This just addresses advert relgions to Christianity? Is there any specific mention of Caanites, or any other regional group?
Of course, these methods are occultist, but I see these as just proclamations against the idea, not the real act.

Outside the Bible:
Ugaritic texts such as baal cycle, tale of aquat, and legend of keret. These are text found in archeology that describe Canaanite practices and religion.

Baal Cycle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tale of Aqhat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Legend of Keret - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Baal cycle is just an epic about Baal (God of fertility) battling against Yam (God of the sea) and Mot (God of death). It literally has a happy ending, as Baal wins and restores fertility and order to the world.

The tale of Aqhat is about a jealous God who kills a guy for not obeying their order. It has nothing to do with the acts of the society, it's moreso for humans to remember their place amongst Gods.

The legend of Keret just about the Gods giving a king children, his first wife and children die, he remarries, has more kids and has an heir to the throne.

So they believed that we should listen to our Gods, and have children. Exactly like Christianity.

There have also been archeological evidence of infant skulls in burial grounds with carved writings dedicating them to deities of their cult.
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We don't know exactly what the Tophet of Sulcis was used for. It could've been a infant sacrifice site, or just a burial ground. You're presuming that a theory is fact.

I understand the thought process, but hes just mentioning that theyre doing it for their gods. Of course he disproves of the worship of “fake idols”, but its not why he gave them an early death, but rather the evil things they were doing which go against Christianity.

You're presuming this. Again, from an unbiased view (where you know nothing of these ancient civilisations), Deuteronomy 20:16-18 still says to kill these people for their opposing views and take their land in God's name. I'm not sure where this ritualistic killing narrative is coming from.

 

[Razul]

low iq

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

low iq

IDF online defense team has landed. You're the guy who believes that thumbpulling works, I'm not even going to bother.

 

[Deleted Member 74605]

We owe it to the Jews is wild

 

[Razul]

This is a Christian site btw, I never knew that God supported genocide. Oh wait, he does (Deuteronomy 20:16).
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

if ur gonna quote a book you have to look into the context too.

Here let me quote the same book we are talking about:
“You must not worship the Lord your God in this way, because they practice for their gods every abomination which the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭12‬:‭31‬ ‭

its common sense

@sasalele don’t waste ur time with this ragebaiter

 

[Faceless One]

God's chosen people

 

[Razul]

God's chosen people

(they are going to hell btw)

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

if ur gonna quote a book you have to look into the context too.

Here let me quote the same book we are talking about:
“You must not worship the Lord your God in this way, because they practice for their gods every abomination which the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭12‬:‭31‬ ‭

its common sense

@sasalele don’t waste ur time with this ragebaiter

Is there any archeological evidence to back up the fact that they sacrificed children? Is our only source from the book of the victor?

Let's say that they did sacrifice their children. Okay, God punished them by, most likely, slaughtering their remaining children down alongside the parents. Great! But by this logic, Israelis should be killed too. Ezekiel 16:20-21 and Psalm 106:37-38 both say that these Israelis similarly sacrificed their children. God punished them, but not by genocide. Their nation fell, that's practically it. This is another reason as to why Israel should not reconquer their land.

So... does God have favourites? Are we not all equal? Why aren't they receiving similar punishment? Anyways, the Christian God still calls for genocide.

 

[Razul]

Is there any archeological evidence to back up the fact that they sacrificed children? Is our only source from the book of the victor?

We don’t need any archeological evidence since we are relying in the same book. Also in that case you should show me archeological evidence that, that verse you quoted was not manipulated by men; maybe God did not say that.

Let's say that they did sacrifice their children. Okay, God punished them by, most likely, slaughtering their remaining children down alongside the parents. Great! But by this logic, Israelis should be killed too. Ezekiel 16:20-21 and Psalm 106:37-38 both say that these Israelis similarly sacrificed their children. God punished them, but not by genocide. Their nation fell, that's practically it. This is another reason as to why Israel should not reconquer their land.

the difference is that Isrrael people repented. Canaanites did not.

Also that happened more than 2000 years ago so the whole thing of “kill palestines” it’s modern propaganda lol

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

We don’t need any archeological evidence since we are relying in the same book. Also in that case you should show me archeological evidence that, that verse you quoted was not manipulated by men; maybe God did not say that.

Those two aren't really correlated. For example, we can archaeologically prove that Jesus was crucifed through the wrists and feet, and laid in a tomb (shroud of turin, ossuary of Yehohanan). But we cannot prove that the Bible was manipulated by men. It most likely was, there is too much political power that can be held by the Bible for it not to be exploited.

But, you cannot start picking and choosing whatever verses that fit your narrative better. The Christian God still allowed Israel to conquer and genocide a foreign nation and population.

the difference is that Isrrael people repented. Canaanites did not.

I never got this in Christianity. A child murderer could repent at the end of his life, and get into heaven. Whereas the atheist charity worker would go to hell. This is no retribution at all. Divine punishment is pointless if all it entails is changing your religious badge. I know that your counter will be that he truly repented, but this must not excuse the vile acts that he commited of the flesh.

Also that happened more than 2000 years ago so the whole thing of “kill palestines” it’s modern propaganda lol

It's a direct contrast. God has ordered these people to reclaim their promised land, and must eliminate all of its inhabitants who worship foreign Gods. Modern propaganda? I'm guessing that you're pro-Israel, oh well.

 

[Razul]

I'm guessing that you're pro-Israel, oh well.

nah israel is super evil and they will be destroyed by God as they have became against him once again

 

[Deleted Member 103414]

nah israel is super evil and they will be destroyed by God as they have became against him once again

Love it bro. Was scared for a second.