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Lowkey everything I ate today

ey88 said:
dose makes the poison

and some of those things can even be beneficial
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All plants have different doses of chemicals,unripe ones have the most.
And how can biochemical defense mechanisms that are designed to kill you from the inside out beneficial?
 
KillShotBae said:
Do research, it's true
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There’s also “research” about meat “causing” cancer which vegans use as an argument.
Send me some research that’s actually valid and 100% confirms this odd theory and I’ll see if I can debunk it
 
999.Celestial said:
All plants have different doses of chemicals,unripe ones have the most.
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which are too low dosed to make a difference in humans

might bind to some minerals but will still give you a net positive of minerals, for something low calorie and high in fibre and shit

its just dumb to not consume vegetables because of anti nutrients
999.Celestial said:
And how can biochemical defense mechanisms that are designed to kill you from the inside out beneficial?
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for example anti oxidants neutralize free radicals reducing oxidative stress
 
ey88 said:
for example anti oxidants neutralize free radicals reducing oxidative stress
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I didn’t mean to put in anti oxidants I meant just oxidants.
ey88 said:
its just dumb to not consume vegetables because of anti nutrients
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I don’t consume vegetables not by only the anti nutrients.
But most of the nutrients are in the cellulose which is fibre ofc,and it’s also well known that fiber can’t be properly digested to due a lack of fermentive bacteria.
Sure I drink vegetable juice I make myself,but I get all the nutrients without possibly over consuming something undigested.
 
ey88 said:
isnt bad at all btw

phytoestrogen isnt the same as estrogen, your body cant utilize it, it binds to estrogen receptors and literally can reduce estrogen

just because it has the same name doesnt mean shit
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I know this lmao
But don’t you think unnecessary to have phytoestrogens in your system,especially me as a woman?
 
999.Celestial said:
But most of the nutrients are in the cellulose which is fibre ofc,and it’s also well known that fiber can’t be properly digested to due a lack of fermentive bacteria.
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once again doesnt mean its bad

almost all studies relate higher fiber diets with better health outcomes

fiber can bind with toxins in the gut and excrete them with waste as well as keeping blood sugar stable

just eat a well balanced diet
 
ey88 said:
isnt bad at all btw

phytoestrogen isnt the same as estrogen, your body cant utilize it, it binds to estrogen receptors and literally can reduce estrogen

just because it has the same name doesnt mean shit
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reducing estrogen is not good
 
ey88 said:
once again doesnt mean its bad

almost all studies relate higher fiber diets with better health outcomes

fiber can bind with toxins in the gut and excrete them with waste as well as keeping blood sugar stable

just eat a well balanced diet
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High amounts of fibre are not better for health outcomes but by own research I did a couple of months ago about the connection of high amounts of fibre with gut microbiome bacteria,it does the complete opposite of increasing it.
 
999.Celestial said:
High amounts of fibre are not better for health outcomes but by own research I did a couple of months ago about the connection of high amounts of fibre with gut microbiome bacteria,it does the complete opposite of increasing it.
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I mean @ey88 why would you consume a large amount of something that can only be digested by 1/4th?
 
ey88 said:
once again doesnt mean its bad

almost all studies relate higher fiber diets with better health outcomes

fiber can bind with toxins in the gut and excrete them with waste as well as keeping blood sugar stable

just eat a well balanced diet
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the fiber thing is generally because of dehydration and people eating bad foods with low digestibility, so it does improve that significantly
On raw primal ur hydrated from food so u don't need to worry about it
doesn't necessarily have to be demonized either tho
 
ey88 said:
proof?

how do you know?
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A high fibre diet generally absorbs a good amount of minerals in your gut since it’s obvious that fibre works like a sponge once it enters your body.
Dybiosis is also a high possibility in high Fibre diets due to it forcing your fermentive bacteria in your gut to populate more and it’s obvious that you have higher levels of purefactive bacteria.
 
999.Celestial said:
A high fibre diet generally absorbs a good amount of minerals in your gut since it’s obvious that fibre works like a sponge once it enters your body.
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hmm

The relationship between dietary fiber and calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus absorption or balance is controversial, however, with some studies reporting impaired mineral absorption or balance and other studies reporting no change or a positive balance with a high-fiber diet compared with a moderate-fiber diet

Effect of a High-Fiber Diet Compared With a Moderate-Fiber Diet on Calcium and Other Mineral Balances in Subjects With Type 2 Diabetes - PMC

High levels of dietary fiber, especially soluble fiber, are recommended to lower serum cholesterol levels and improve glycemic control in patients with type 2 diabetes. It is not clear, however, how high levels of fiber affect mineral balance. In a ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

dont think its that big of deal

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Association between dietary fiber and lower risk of all-cause mortality: a meta-analysis of cohort studies - PubMed

Although in vitro and in vivo experiments have suggested that dietary fiber might have beneficial effects on health, results on the association between fiber intake and all-cause mortality in epidemiologic studies have been inconsistent. Therefore, we conducted a meta-analysis of prospective...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
ey88 said:
hmm

The relationship between dietary fiber and calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus absorption or balance is controversial, however, with some studies reporting impaired mineral absorption or balance and other studies reporting no change or a positive balance with a high-fiber diet compared with a moderate-fiber diet

Effect of a High-Fiber Diet Compared With a Moderate-Fiber Diet on Calcium and Other Mineral Balances in Subjects With Type 2 Diabetes - PMC

High levels of dietary fiber, especially soluble fiber, are recommended to lower serum cholesterol levels and improve glycemic control in patients with type 2 diabetes. It is not clear, however, how high levels of fiber affect mineral balance. In a ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

dont think its that big of deal

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Association between dietary fiber and lower risk of all-cause mortality: a meta-analysis of cohort studies - PubMed

Although in vitro and in vivo experiments have suggested that dietary fiber might have beneficial effects on health, results on the association between fiber intake and all-cause mortality in epidemiologic studies have been inconsistent. Therefore, we conducted a meta-analysis of prospective...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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I don’t really trust these sources of the government except when it comes to pharmacology studies.
 
ey88 said:
the nutrients arent even necessarily in the fiber
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Half or even more (depending on the plant) of the micronutrients of a plant is in the cellulose I think even you know that,that’s why I drink vegetable juice rather than eating them.
 
ey88 said:
hmm

The relationship between dietary fiber and calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus absorption or balance is controversial, however, with some studies reporting impaired mineral absorption or balance and other studies reporting no change or a positive balance with a high-fiber diet compared with a moderate-fiber diet

Effect of a High-Fiber Diet Compared With a Moderate-Fiber Diet on Calcium and Other Mineral Balances in Subjects With Type 2 Diabetes - PMC

High levels of dietary fiber, especially soluble fiber, are recommended to lower serum cholesterol levels and improve glycemic control in patients with type 2 diabetes. It is not clear, however, how high levels of fiber affect mineral balance. In a ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

dont think its that big of deal

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Association between dietary fiber and lower risk of all-cause mortality: a meta-analysis of cohort studies - PubMed

Although in vitro and in vivo experiments have suggested that dietary fiber might have beneficial effects on health, results on the association between fiber intake and all-cause mortality in epidemiologic studies have been inconsistent. Therefore, we conducted a meta-analysis of prospective...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Those are associative studies which doesn’t prove anything

Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms - PMC

AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation. METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Currycelloser said:
Those are associative studies which doesn’t prove anything

Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms - PMC

AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation. METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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It is useful , proven too
It’s just u don’t need on raw primal, or if ur fully hydrated and have good gut health
 
Why do I feel like I’m the least weirdest user here IRL
 
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