Middle east would have the highest smv if it wasn't for their Islamic goat smashing culture.

[selank]

Are u arab by any chance?

No bhai

 

[selank]

Why are "Europeans" so obsessed with separating themselves from "Middle Easterners"?

This is retarded for a number of reasons.

1. They're both WESTERN EURASIAN. That matters more than the absurd "European" or "Middle Eastern" categories.

2. Arabia is more differentiated from Iran than Bulgaria or Romania is. I.E, Iranians are closer to Bulgarians/Romanians than they are to Saudis/Yemenis/Bedouins.

3. Finland and (Northern) Russia are (much) more differentiated from Iberia than Eastern Turkey is.

4. Physical features between Western Eurasians cannot meaningfully be "convergent evolution". There hasn't been enough time to meaningfully separate.

5. Genetics are clinal; why WOULD they care about the most shallow genetic barrier ever? Because Britian came up with an arbitrary term?

ME > EU

 

[Chifuyu]

I'm Indian bhai, I thought paki pashtuns were diff frm afghans.

Oh ok. And no, they are the same. Just divided by nationalities.

 

[Chifuyu]

Are u arab by any chance?

He says he's indian.

 

[foidslayer22]

Title

pretty sure you meant India arabs don't smash goats

 

[eternal love]

Why are "Europeans" so obsessed with separating themselves from "Middle Easterners"?

This is retarded for a number of reasons.

1. They're both WESTERN EURASIAN. That matters more than the absurd "European" or "Middle Eastern" categories.

2. Arabia is more differentiated from Iran than Bulgaria or Romania is. I.E, Iranians are closer to Bulgarians/Romanians than they are to Saudis/Yemenis/Bedouins.

3. Finland and (Northern) Russia are (much) more differentiated from Iberia than Eastern Turkey is.

4. Physical features between Western Eurasians cannot meaningfully be "convergent evolution". There hasn't been enough time to meaningfully separate.

5. Genetics are clinal; why WOULD they care about the most shallow genetic barrier ever? Because Britian came up with an arbitrary term?

because we are not the same with those brown disgusting muslim barbarians. Not genetically, not culturally, not phenotypically and not historically.

 

[AngryBuu96]

because we are not the same with those brown disgusting muslim barbarians. Not genetically, not culturally, not phenotypically and not historically.

Who's "we"?

>because we are not the same with those brown disgusting muslim barbarians.

YOU'RE a RUSSIAN. YOU are more divergent from Spaniards than Spaniards are from Turks. This has been shown in every study where genetic distance has been shown.

>Not genetically

Categorically false. "Europeans" are Western Eurasian. "Near Easterners" are Western Eurasian.

"We computed squared allele frequency differentiation between all pairs of ancient West Eurasians28 (Methods; Fig. 3; Extended Data Fig. 2b; Extended Data Fig. 4), and found that the populations at the four corners of the quadrangle had differentiation of FST=0.08-0.15, comparable to the value of 0.09-0.13 seen between present-day West Eurasians and East Asians (Han) (Supplementary Data Table 3). In contrast, by the Bronze Age, genetic differentiation between pairs of West Eurasian populations had reached its present-day low levels (Fig. 3): today, FST is ≤0.025 for 95% of the pairs of West Eurasian populations and ≤0.046 for all pairs (Fig. 3). These results point to a demographic process that established high differentiation across West Eurasia and then reduced this differentiation over time."

Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East - PMC

We report genome-wide ancient DNA from 44 ancient Near Easterners ranging in time between ~12,000-1,400 BCE, from Natufian hunter-gatherers to Bronze Age farmers. We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

>those brown disgusting muslim barbarians.

1. Islam is a religion, not a skin colour (which isn't a thing in humans).

Barbarians?

Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What were Russians doing when Muslims were reviving Greek works, adding onto those works and contributing to society? What were the English doing? Fuck all.

As for "brown"

Stop lumping Spaniards with Russians. Skin colour is determined by genes but also different selective pressures. It's also variable. Guess (most) Spaniards are as "brown" as your hated Turks on average.

>not culturally

What does a Spanish have in common with a Russian.

>not phenotypically

See map above. Also:

>not historically.

See above link of the Islamic Golden Age.

 

[AngryBuu96]

Also.....

Anti-Slavic sentiment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Eurasianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ogrecel might not even be Russian. Russians do not have a concept of "whiteness". They integrated the "darker" Armenians into their society whilst being wary of the "lighter" Northern Caucasus populations.

 

[AngryBuu96]

Anyone promoting Anglosphere essentialisg bile isn't a Russian. Anglosphere bile HAS excluded Slavs, including Russians. And of course, Germans excluded Slavs too.

 

[AngryBuu96]

Russian ethnicity=language and culture. Not "whiteness".

Russia doesn't have an essentialist concept of ethnicity which is why Russification worked historically. You could and CAN become Russian. But you CAN'T "become" English. "Englishness" is "genetic" so that's partially why the English exterminated natives or kept them at arm's length.

Russification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Slavophilia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[eternal love]

Who's "we"?

>because we are not the same with those brown disgusting muslim barbarians.

YOU'RE a RUSSIAN. YOU are more divergent from Spaniards than Spaniards are from Turks. This has been shown in every study where genetic distance has been shown.

not true, get debunked

>Not genetically

Categorically false. "Europeans" are Western Eurasian. "Near Easterners" are Western Eurasian.

Europeans are western eurasian, near easterners are subhumans and asiatic idiots.

"We computed squared allele frequency differentiation between all pairs of ancient West Eurasians28 (Methods; Fig. 3; Extended Data Fig. 2b; Extended Data Fig. 4), and found that the populations at the four corners of the quadrangle had differentiation of FST=0.08-0.15, comparable to the value of 0.09-0.13 seen between present-day West Eurasians and East Asians (Han) (Supplementary Data Table 3). In contrast, by the Bronze Age, genetic differentiation between pairs of West Eurasian populations had reached its present-day low levels (Fig. 3): today, FST is ≤0.025 for 95% of the pairs of West Eurasian populations and ≤0.046 for all pairs (Fig. 3). These results point to a demographic process that established high differentiation across West Eurasia and then reduced this differentiation over time."

Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East - PMC

We report genome-wide ancient DNA from 44 ancient Near Easterners ranging in time between ~12,000-1,400 BCE, from Natufian hunter-gatherers to Bronze Age farmers. We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

no idiot we descended from different peoples.

>those brown disgusting muslim barbarians.

1. Islam is a religion, not a skin colour (which isn't a thing in humans).

islam is barbaric shit anyway and usually browns worship allah anyway

Barbarians?

Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What were Russians doing when Muslims were reviving Greek works, adding onto those works and contributing to society? What were the English doing? Fuck all.

YES muslims are barbarians who eat their own shit. Just look at their history or even in modernity, the poorest countries ever with retarded despotic governments

As for "brown"

View attachment 299148

you just proved my point that they are brown

Stop lumping Spaniards with Russians. Skin colour is determined by genes but also different selective pressures. It's also variable. Guess (most) Spaniards are as "brown" as your hated Turks on average.

no they are just tanned, look at your own map

>not culturally

What does a Spanish have in common with a Russian.

everything? from indo-european language to literature and art (all have the same origin)

>not phenotypically

See map above. Also:

View attachment 299151

what does this bs explain? phenotypically europeans and such idiots as middle easterners are very different and it's obvious

>not historically.

See above link of the Islamic Golden Age.

Islamic golden age never happened. It's just some guys (who weren't even muslim) did some bullshit like translations of Ancient european books.

 

[eternal love]

Russian ethnicity=language and culture. Not "whiteness".

Russia doesn't have an essentialist concept of ethnicity which is why Russification worked historically. You could and CAN become Russian. But you CAN'T "become" English. "Englishness" is "genetic" so that's partially why the English exterminated natives or kept them at arm's length.

Russification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Slavophilia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

you can't become russian. It just doesn't work like that, if you claim yourself as russian, but your parents aren't russian, then other russians WON'T recognize you as such, even if you have russian passport. Just keep spreading bullshit.
Russification worked historically because we just spread our language, but it doesn't mean that ukrainians who speak russian are not ukrainians anymore

 

[eternal love]

Anyone promoting Anglosphere essentialisg bile isn't a Russian. Anglosphere bile HAS excluded Slavs, including Russians. And of course, Germans excluded Slavs too.

so they were wrong

 

[AngryBuu96]

Eternal Love is a r****d.

 

[AngryBuu96]

you can't become russian. It just doesn't work like that, if you claim yourself as russian, but your parents aren't russian, then other russians WON'T recognize you as such, even if you have russian passport. Just keep spreading bullshit.
Russification worked historically because we just spread our language, but it doesn't mean that ukrainians who speak russian are not ukrainians anymore

So some random Yankee with Russian grandparents is "more Russian" than an Azeri who has lived in Russia for 4 generations and speaks only Russian? Get real.

 

[AngryBuu96]

How are Spaniards "tanned" and Turks "brown"?

Russians have higher melanoma rates than Spaniards. If Spaniards were just "tanned" then they'd have melanoma rates akin to Russians. They don't.

Because their baseline skin is DARKER.

 

[AngryBuu96]

so they were wrong

How convenient. "Wrong" when you want something to be wrong. "Right" when you want something to be right.

 

[AngryBuu96]

If Russian and Spanish being "Indo-European" means anything, then you have to admit Persians are "white" too.

 

[AngryBuu96]

Still using outdated, edited studies from 2014?

Also, where did the study use the terms "Nordid" or "Medid" or any of these dumb racial terms?

Also, even those dumb edits undermine your point ironically. Because they distinguish between "Nordids" and "Medids".

 

[eternal love]

So some random Yankee with Russian grandparents is "more Russian" than an Azeri who has lived in Russia for 4 generations and speaks only Russian? Get real.

Yes he's way more russian than Azeri. Because he's fucking azeri, not russian

How are Spaniards "tanned" and Turks "brown"?

Russians have higher melanoma rates than Spaniards. If Spaniards were just "tanned" then they'd have melanoma rates akin to Russians. They don't.

Because their baseline skin is DARKER.

turks are originally brown, if you put them in a climate with no sun then they'd still be brown as fuck.
Spaniards will turn pale in this case.

How convenient. "Wrong" when you want something to be wrong. "Right" when you want something to be right.

you can't even tell if it's a slav, irish or anglo from looks. So they are the same race and those who claimed slavs to be non-white are idiots and died 200 years ago. Anyway they didn't know what slavs look like cuz they've never seen them.

If Russian and Spanish being "Indo-European" means anything, then you have to admit Persians are "white" too.

persians are brown subhumans who got indo-european language from andronovo culture aka whites, but it's obvious that they are rly mixed rn, whites just ruled persians in the bronze age. PERSIANS ARE NOT INDO-EUROPEANS

Still using outdated, edited studies from 2014?

Also, where did the study use the terms "Nordid" or "Medid" or any of these dumb racial terms?

Also, even those dumb edits undermine your point ironically. Because they distinguish between "Nordids" and "Medids".

so what's from with it?