my issue with liberalism

[Anna]

I think there are a few bad takes

its kinda all or nothing with it I feel

 

[fashist]

elab

 

[New Water]

Neo-libertarian falangism is the future

 

[Anna]

elab

I only like certain ideologies

calling myself a "liberal" comes with some negative correlations

at leat imo

 

[Anna]

Neo-libertarian falangism is the future

nope

 

[New Water]

nope

Yes actually

 

[fashist]

I only like certain ideologies

calling myself a "liberal" comes with some negative correlations

at leat imo

which ideologies

 

[New Water]

I only like certain ideologies

calling myself a "liberal" comes with some negative correlations

at leat imo

On some real shit though if you support any ideologies that are not far auth you’re a cuck

 

[Anna]

which ideologies

regarding migration

 

[fashist]

regarding migration

elaborate

 

[Anna]

On some real shit though if you support any ideologies that are not far auth you’re a cuck

fuck nah

i'm anarcho syndicalist

even that comes with a few negative connotations though

 

[New Water]

fuck nah

i'm anarcho syndicalist

even that comes with a few negative connotations though

Ofc it comes with some negative connotations lmfao

 

[Anna]

elaborate

I think we should cut all migration unless they bring value to the country/ in a real humanitarian crisis

I also am not a fan of a lot of the homeless population

 

[Blackpill Saint]

People are so contrarian that they now have issues with liberty. Literal freedom.

 

[fashist]

I think we should cut all migration unless they bring value to the country/ in a real humanitarian crisis

I also am not a fan of a lot of the homeless population

what do you define as value

 

[Anna]

Ofc it comes with some negative connotations lmfao

well yes

A lot of self proclaimed anarcho syndicalists are cringe

 

[Anna]

People are so contrarian that they now have issues with liberty. Literal freedom.

vote kamala harris for freedom saar

 

[New Water]

People are so contrarian that they now have issues with liberty. Literal freedom.

Muh freedom. We shuld be free to get r***d and beheaded by pajeets and negroids! That is muh trve freedum

 

[Anna]

Muh freedom. We shuld be free to get r***d and beheaded by pajeets and negroids! That is muh trve freedum

"yeah bro I have no idea what anarchism is"

 

[New Water]

"yeah bro I have no idea what anarchism is"

I was replying to the guy that said people are contrarian to what they benefit from. Ie. Libertarianism (freedom to him). However anarchism itself is literally braindead and self defeating anyway

 

[fashist]

what do you define as value

0

 

[New Water]

"yeah bro I have no idea what anarchism is"

In an anarchists pov there would be no state to enforce things like borders and no state to enforce things like crime. “But the people would come together to collectively enforce borders and reprimand crime” yeah that’s essentially a state bro

 

[Anna]

I was replying to the guy that said people are contrarian to what they benefit from. Ie. Libertarianism (freedom to him).

my bad lol

However anarchism itself is literally braindead and self defeating anyway

self defeating in what way?

if the goal is equality how does it abandon that principle?

 

[New Water]

my bad lol

self defeating in what way?

if the goal is equality how does it abandon that principle?

Equality would be “pragmatic”. Naturally humans are not equal so even then it’s anti-pragmatic to our nature.. so besides there being no actual good justification to why we ought to be equal on top of that equality isn’t necessarily egalitarian so you’re still working against the interest of the general public..

I’m not exactly saying equality works against anarchism but anarchism works in hypotheticals similarly to communist beliefs. You’d have to trust every single person in a society to work against their nature without any authority to keep them in check.

 

[Anna]

Equality would be “pragmatic”. Naturally humans are not equal so even then it’s anti-pragmatic to our nature.. so besides there being no actual good justification to why we ought to be equal on top of that equality isn’t necessarily egalitarian so you’re still working against the interest of the general public..

I’m not exactly saying equality works against anarchism but anarchism works in hypotheticals similarly to communist beliefs. You’d have to trust every single person in a society to work against their nature without any authority to keep them in check.

it is in their interests

and I don't believe its against their nature either

most people just want comfort

 

[New Water]

it is in their interests

and I don't believe its against their nature either

most people just want comfort

It’s not. That’s why Marx didn’t ever applaud equality and wrote against it. He based distribution on need (egalitarian), not equality.. if there’s a 7 foot fence and I give a man who’s 6’5 foot a one foot box to stand on he can now see over the fence. If I give a 5’5 foot person a 1 foot box to stand on he still can’t see over the fence. Sure it’s equal because they’re getting the same thing but it’s not working in both of their interests

 

[Anna]

It’s not. That’s why Marx didn’t ever applaud equality and wrote against it. He based distribution on need (egalitarian), not equality.. if there’s a 7 foot fence and I give a man who’s 6’5 foot a one foot box to stand on he can now see over the fence. If I give a 5’5 foot person a 1 foot box to stand on he still can’t see over the fence. Sure it’s equal because they’re getting the same thing but it’s not working in both of their interests

luckily its not all about boxes then

sorry but that metaphor is nitpicky and untrue