Serious Opinions on politics?

[acketar]

There is literally no other genuine distinction between the two sides that splits it well

how about class rule vs individual rule

 

[Ilya.]

Buddy's been listening to Bowden and yes, inequality is very natural.

I thought of it first but he put it into words

 

[Ilya.]

how about class rule vs individual rule

Are nazis and fascist left wing then ?

 

[acketar]

Uhhh mamdani the communist literally calls for racial profiling of certain areas for higher tax so yes.

Hey im not gonna lie I have no idea what youre talking about, but I'd like to learn because I love this guy

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

left wing views the government as an equalizer among citizens, the most famous view being communist. Obviously left wing incorporates government that much but the point at which left wing stops is complete control within the hands of a group or a person, because Karl marx himself believed in worker rule

Did you just contradict yourself? I don't understand this?

Obviously left wing incorporates government that much

the point at which left wing stops is complete control within the hands of a group or a person

So ultimate left-wing ideologies lead to a one-man governance? You've kind of defeated your own point. Literally look at North Korea, renowned as extremely left-wing. Kim Jong Un decides everything over there.

 

[Ilya.]

you realize the Right wing hated the BLM movement right? you realize how little support it got in its maturity too right? and the school system picks and chooses what to teach about oppression as to NOT cause white people to have "guilt"

You're genuinely retarded if you don't see what I'm saying and think the school system cares about anything but making whites cucked

 

[acketar]

Are nazis and fascist left wing then ?

the idea of supremacy cancels out the two views so no, its just that politics are a circle and the furthest right you can go is also in a way the shortest left you can go.

 

[acketar]

Did you just contradict yourself? I don't understand this?




So ultimate left-wing ideologies lead to a one-man governance? You've kind of defeated your own point. Literally look at North Korea, renowned as extremely left-wing. Kim Jong Un decides everything over there.

look at what I just said about polotics being a circle

 

[acketar]

You're genuinely retarded if you don't see what I'm saying and think the school system cares about anything but making whites cucked

do you live in the usa bro

 

[4x4rr]

Left wing vs right wing divide is entirely about equality vs inequality, the left thinks equality is a moral good and should be achieved while the right thinks inequality is a moral good.

inequality isnt a moral good its natures law its objective and morality is subjective the right goes along with objective reality while the left is subjective emotional nonsense if makes sense for a woman like u to think this way

 

[Ilya.]

Hey im not gonna lie I have no idea what youre talking about, but I'd like to learn because I love this guy

Learn it yourself pig

 

[acketar]

Learn it yourself pig

this is destroying me because now I know its a lie

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

look at what I just said about polotics being a circle

Yes yes, extreme left-wing inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Politics is a circle.
But that doesn't dispute the fact that fundamentally, right-wing ideologies are more focused on personal freedom and self-goverence.

It's like basing your whole study off two extremes, when you have fifty dots that follow the normal trend-line.

 

[Ilya.]

the idea of supremacy cancels out the two views so no, its just that politics are a circle and the furthest right you can go is also in a way the shortest left you can go.

@Prince Most retarded horseshoe theory award

 

[Ilya.]

this is destroying me because now I know its a lie

I don't care what someone who is a fan of someone who hates my race thinks

 

[acketar]

Yes yes, extreme left-wing inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Politics is a circle.
But that doesn't dispute the fact that fundamentally, right-wing ideologies are more focused on personal freedom and self-goverence.

It's like basing your whole study off two extremes, when you have fifty dots that follow the normal trend-line.

Okay yeah, I failed to mention the capitalist details of right wing ideologies, I was caught up in trying to understanding how mamdani supported racial profiling. and Im basing it off of two extremes because grey areas are far less likely to be agreed upon

 

[acketar]

I don't care what someone who is a fan of someone who hates my race thinks

 

[acketar]

@Prince Most retarded horseshoe theory award

not a horse shoe theory because I dont believe that two extremes share any similarities whatsoever
bro luv I think your crackerself is too caught up in the idea of being the victim of the full circle route that racism took from like 1940 to 2025

 

[BigDihDiddy]

I am very unsure of my own opinion on politics. I have been through almost every phase. socialism, anarchism, nationalism, capitalism ect. Some of my friends are nazi and some of my friends are extreme left. Since I've thought good and bad about all of the ideologies above I have a hard time figuring out what I really mean. A part of me want everyone to mind their own business and do what they want with their own money and do whatever they want with their life. But also, if I was in the position of a cancer sick girl with no money, I would appreciate to get help and actually be able to live without paying millions.
What's your opinion? I would appreciate if you told me why you mean what you mean

Don't answer "I don't care" or "I don't have an opinion" thats just annoying asf

High iq tbh I tend to understand most politics and in an ideal world of sunshine’s and butterflies I might’ve even been a leftist since I do find the idea very appealing but there are multiple reasons why it would never work and it will be an eternal fight

 

[Ilya.]

Okay yeah, I failed to mention the capitalist details of right wing ideologies, I was caught up in trying to understanding how mamdani supported racial profiling. and Im basing it off of two extremes because grey areas are far less likely to be agreed upon

So is fascism and national socialism left wing ? Beacuse neither are inherently capitalist ? If capitalism matters when it comes to being right wing then they only right wingers are libertarians and ancaps

 

[Danu]

I am very unsure of my own opinion on politics. I have been through almost every phase. socialism, anarchism, nationalism, capitalism ect. Some of my friends are nazi and some of my friends are extreme left. Since I've thought good and bad about all of the ideologies above I have a hard time figuring out what I really mean. A part of me want everyone to mind their own business and do what they want with their own money and do whatever they want with their life. But also, if I was in the position of a cancer sick girl with no money, I would appreciate to get help and actually be able to live without paying millions.
What's your opinion? I would appreciate if you told me why you mean what you mean

Don't answer "I don't care" or "I don't have an opinion" thats just annoying asf

I don't believe in politics because there's a group of people that owns every right and left wing in every country and our opinion is as tiny as a fly's opinion in why it shouldn't be killed in your house

 

[Randomized Shame]

But that doesn't dispute the fact that fundamentally, right-wing ideologies are more focused on personal freedom and self-goverence.

Not true. If that was true then they would be withdrawing or reducing legislation, not adding more. Taking away choice is not personal freedom or self governance.

Libertarians and Anarchists are really the only "ideologies" where they focus primarily on reducing government intervention, and they're different sides of the same shit coin.

 

[acketar]

So is fascism and national socialism left wing ? Beacuse neither are inherently capitalist ? If capitalism matters when it comes to being right wing then they only right wingers are libertarians and ancaps

bro I did not at all say capitalism was CRUCIAL to right wing ideologies, prince said that and I agreed to failing to discuss the fact that capitalist details arre prevalent in most forms of right-wing ideas. also you can't even entail that im edging towards the idea that left wing leads to facism because people like you fail to realize that facism litearlly is a mixture of both ideologies

 

[Ilya.]

Not true. If that was true then they would be withdrawing or reducing legislation, not adding more. Taking away choice is not personal freedom or self governance.

Libertarians and Anarchists are really the only "ideologies" where they focus primarily on reducing government intervention, and they're different sides of the same shit coin.

While personal freedom isn't a inherently right wing idea it is basically intended in every right wing view for alot more personal freedom, except in fascism which I don't claim as right wing

 

[acketar]

Not true. If that was true then they would be withdrawing or reducing legislation, not adding more. Taking away choice is not personal freedom or self governance.

Libertarians and Anarchists are really the only "ideologies" where they focus primarily on reducing government intervention, and they're different sides of the same shit coin.

what youre talking about is the starting stages of what eventually becomes some type of situation where the masses are ruled by the minority

 

[acketar]

While personal freedom isn't a inherently right wing idea it is basically intended in every right wing view for alot more personal freedom, except in fascism which I don't claim as right wing

yeah man uhm.. so every right wing view believes in personal governance or else it kind of cant be right wing

 

[Randomized Shame]

While personal freedom isn't a inherently right wing idea it is basically intended in every right wing view for alot more personal freedom, except in fascism which I don't claim as right wing

It's a core apart of every ideology, at least on the surface level. Only actual psychos believe a lack of personal choice is inherently better, or they have a distorted view about how the mass population needs to be culled.

However, in both cases neither left or right actually practice what they preach about personal freedom. Both of them pass too much legislation about what the other side should be doing.

 

[acketar]

So is fascism and national socialism left wing ? Beacuse neither are inherently capitalist ? If capitalism matters when it comes to being right wing then they only right wingers are libertarians and ancaps

distributionism beats the shit out of capitalism at the same time as keeping the parts of capitalism that it likes, so once again NO capitalism does not define what is right wing and what is not

 

[Ilya.]

yeah man uhm.. so every right wing view believes in personal governance or else it kind of cant be right wing

Not what I said please kys immediately

 

[acketar]

While personal freedom isn't a inherently right wing idea

its kind of like their whole thing bro, but I can definitely see what you mean

 

[Ilya.]

distributionism beats the shit out of capitalism at the same time as keeping the parts of capitalism that it likes, so once again NO capitalism does not define what is right wing and what is not

Yeah no it doesn't at all capitalism has shown to be the best system of economics so many times

 

[Randomized Shame]

what youre talking about is the starting stages of what eventually becomes some type of situation where the masses are ruled by the minority

Any form of government requires a small % of the population to lead the rest.

 

[acketar]

Yeah no it doesn't at all capitalism has shown to be the best system of economics so many times

are you serious look up right now if distributionism is critical or not of capitalism. it literally SHUNS monopoly

 

[acketar]

Any form of government requires a small % of the population to lead the rest.

lead is weird because in purely market economies the only role the government plays is regulation, which isnt really leading anything

 

[Deleted Member 49073]

Not true. If that was true then they would be withdrawing or reducing legislation, not adding more. Taking away choice is not personal freedom or self governance.

Libertarians and Anarchists are really the only "ideologies" where they focus primarily on reducing government intervention, and they're different sides of the same shit coin.

You probably know this, but 'left wing' and 'right wing' come from physical seating arrangements of politicians during the French Revolution. The politicians who sat to the left of the king advocated for progressiveness, equality, abolishment of monarchy, etc. The right side were the more conservative, aristocratic supporters of the monarchy. Basically progression vs tradition. Equality vs inequality.

In modern times, the left still advocate for equality, while the right advocate for inequality (not as extreme as it used to be). For equality to occur, there must be government intervention. Various schemes, subsidies to certain businesses, equal rights, etc. By working for equality, they advocate for a bigger government (bigger workforce, more funding, more decisions).

Whereas the right still gear towards self-goverence and inequality. People care only for themselves and their pact/family, which is truly natural. This will lead to a small government (smaller workforce, less funding, less decisions). How are right wing ideologies not fundamentally steered towards independence and personal freedom?

 

[Randomized Shame]

lead is weird because in purely market economies the only role the government plays is regulation, which isnt really leading anything

I'm not sure I understand.

The FDA controls what does and doesn't go in food or drugs, for example. There's technically enough freedom for companies (in America) to make choices beyond what is already established, which is why 'lead' or 'guide' are good words. Maybe 'control' is a better word to some.

 

[acketar]

I'm not sure I understand.

The FDA controls what does and doesn't go in food or drugs, for example. There's technically enough freedom for companies (in America) to make choices beyond what is already established, which is why 'lead' or 'guide' are good words. Maybe 'control' is a better word to some.

Regulate would be the best word for me. and I can try to make what I said make more sense but I can't simplify anything. What I'm trying to say is that there are ideologies that dont require leaders. in capitalism the government can honestly just be viewed as law enforcement, as their biggest contribution to the economy is regulating what the business does.

 

[acketar]

I'm not sure I understand.

The FDA controls what does and doesn't go in food or drugs, for example. There's technically enough freedom for companies (in America) to make choices beyond what is already established, which is why 'lead' or 'guide' are good words. Maybe 'control' is a better word to some.

you know what, guide is actually the perfect word, so if you mean guide then yeah youre right

 

[Ilya.]

are you serious look up right now if distributionism is critical or not of capitalism. it literally SHUNS monopoly

Monopoly isn't capitalism

 

[acketar]

Monopoly isn't capitalism

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

 

[Ilya.]

You probably know this, but 'left wing' and 'right wing' come from physical seating arrangements of politicians during the French Revolution. The politicians who sat to the left of the king advocated for progressiveness, equality, abolishment of monarchy, etc. The right side were the more conservative, aristocratic supporters of the monarchy. Basically progression vs tradition. Equality vs inequality.

In modern times, the left still advocate for equality, while the right advocate for inequality (not as extreme as it used to be). For equality to occur, there must be government intervention. Various schemes, subsidies to certain businesses, equal rights, etc. By working for equality, they advocate for a bigger government (bigger workforce, more funding, more decisions).

Whereas the right still gear towards self-goverence and inequality. People care only for themselves and their pact/family, which is truly natural. This will lead to a small government (smaller workforce, less funding, less decisions). How are right wing ideologies not fundamentally steered towards independence and personal freedom?

Traditionalism isn't inherently right wing

 

[Ilya.]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

I don't know why you bring up monopoly when capitalism isn't about monopolisation

 

[acketar]

Traditionalism isn't inherently right wing

somebody kill this fucking guy right now

 

[acketar]

I don't know why you bring up monopoly when capitalism isn't about monopolisation

okay bro DNR goodbye

 

[Ilya.]

somebody kill this fucking guy right now

If someone wanted to go back to the soviet union would that be right wing ? That would still be traditionalism

 

[Ilya.]

okay bro DNR goodbye

@Prince capitalism is when bad thing saar

 

[over0]

Holy shit thread I'm gonna print it out and use it as toilet paper

 

[acketar]

Holy shit thread I'm gonna print it out and use it as toilet paper

over0 superiority complex out on a stroll right now

 

[Randomized Shame]

You probably know this, but 'left wing' and 'right wing' come from physical seating arrangements of politicians during the French Revolution. The politicians who sat to the left of the king advocated for progressiveness, equality, abolishment of monarchy, etc. The right side were the more conservative, aristocratic supporters of the monarchy. Basically progression vs tradition. Equality vs inequality.

In modern times, the left still advocate for equality, while the right advocate for inequality (not as extreme as it used to be). For equality to occur, there must be government intervention. Various schemes, subsidies to certain businesses, equal rights, etc. By working for equality, they advocate for a bigger government (bigger workforce, more funding, more decisions).

Whereas the right still gear towards self-goverence and inequality. People care only for themselves and their pact/family, which is truly natural. This will lead to a small government (smaller workforce, less funding, less decisions). How are right wing ideologies not fundamentally steered towards independence and personal freedom?

They rarely ever actually advocate for smaller governments. We can talk about what people say, but if politicians have taught anyone anything it's literally meaningless to talk about what you "want" or "believe" to happen or should happen.

I understand what you mean. When it comes to businesses and the workforce, people are primarily conservative. This has to do with the fear of the government opposing legislation onto them to make their businesses harder to operate.

On an actual individual level, this is far from the case. They're ones who also oppose specific moral, religious, or social agendas onto other people. Religion should remain out of the government, but it's not. They've expressed a desire to make it mandatory to add religion texts into schools, the whole abortion debate, removing books from schools, prevent people from accessing certain medical treatments, and a million other similar things. None of these independent or personal freedom, they're the opposite of it. It's literally impossible for any of that to be "pro" personal freedom.

Any side who thinks they're advocating for personal freedom or choice is just wrong. The left does it too, wanting to oppose freedom of speech rights and so on.

 

[over0]

over0 superiority complex out on a stroll right now

You're just very dumb