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Serious palestine supporters are the biggest moralfags

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Prophet said:
"Yes i get all mt political views and opinions from tiktok, how do you know?"
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caged, havent used tiktok for almost a year but ig so, if anything palestine has been talked about on socials, news, everywhere so isnt it the opposite?
 
zaycism said:
dude cmon everyone who supports palestine gets all their info from tiktok, they don’t care, this is just a trend they follow
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No, because they have basic human understanding and concern for civilians, human rights, and people’s right to safety and dignity.
 
Prophet said:
No, because they have basic human understanding and concern for civilians, human rights, and people’s right to safety and dignity.
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concern for thieves and people who will kill u for liking the same sex, people who oppress their women and don’t give them rights, people who don’t even protect their own people
 
zaycism said:
concern for thieves and people who will kill u for liking the same sex, people who oppress their women and don’t give them rights, people who don’t even protect their own people
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Most of these claims are wrong or can be justified

But even if they wouldn't, you're comparing civilians to Hamas, civilians aren’t the same as their leaders or extremist groups. Caring about Palestine doesn’t mean agreeing with everything happening in Palestinian society.

Following that logic, we shouldn't care for the women/people in Afghanistan, right?
 
zaycism said:
dude cmon everyone who supports palestine gets all their info from tiktok, they don’t care, this is just a trend they follow
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and aren't you ashamed to say this, being Afghan? Because i remember you were. your country knows exactly what occupation and foreign intervention looks like. this isn't about trends. it’s about civilians. have some empathy
 
Prophet said:
Most of these claims are wrong or can be justified

But even if they wouldn't, you're comparing civilians to Hamas, civilians aren’t the same as their leaders or extremist groups. Caring about Palestine doesn’t mean agreeing with everything happening in Palestinian society.

Following that logic, we shouldn't care for the women/people in Afghanistan, right?
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thats not really my point now is it? im aware civilians arent the same as hamas, and i never said all palestinians support those things. my point is that i cant support a society where violence against lgtbq community, discrimination against women, and human rights abuses are widespread. i know people are suffering there but i shouldnt ignore the truth, these problems.

also afghanistan isnt a contradiction, u can feel sympathy for innocent afghsn civilians suffering under the taliban while also calling out the taliban and the human rights situation there.
 
Lydia said:
and aren't you ashamed to say this, being Afghan? Because i remember you were. your country knows exactly what occupation and foreign intervention looks like. this isn't about trends. it’s about civilians. have some empathy
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zaycism said:
also afghanistan isnt a contradiction, u can feel sympathy for innocent afghsn civilians suffering under the taliban while also calling out the taliban and the human rights situation there.
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the same principle applies anywhere. having compassion for civilians doesn’t require me to support or excuse the beliefs or actions of the government or parts of society.
 
Lydia said:
and aren't you ashamed to say this, being Afghan? Because i remember you were. your country knows exactly what occupation and foreign intervention looks like. this isn't about trends. it’s about civilians. have some empathy
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if you wanna talk about empathy lets discuss the fact that rarely any jews are actually zionists yet most jews get anti semetic comments thrown at them because muh palestine, realistically both israel and palestine are in the wrong n supporting either is giga retarded, israelis are killing people but so are palestians, since palestines not a country and doesnt have muh military though they get support from every virtue signaler on eaeth
 
zaycism said:
thats not really my point now is it? im aware civilians arent the same as hamas, and i never said all palestinians support those things. my point is that i cant support a society where violence against lgtbq community, discrimination against women, and human rights abuses are widespread. i know people are suffering there but i shouldnt ignore the truth, these problems.

also afghanistan isnt a contradiction, u can feel sympathy for innocent afghsn civilians suffering under the taliban while also calling out the taliban and the human rights situation there.
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But you quite literally said yourself that Hamas doesn’t protect its own people and that women and LGBTQ+ people face oppression under their rule. That’s exactly why the Afghanistan comparison applies, you can recognize that a society is being harmed by the group controlling it while still having sympathy for the innocent people living under that system. Oppressed people don’t become undeserving of support just because their society/leading governent has serious problems.
 
zaycism said:
the same principle applies anywhere. having compassion for civilians doesn’t require me to support or excuse the beliefs or actions of the government or parts of society.
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exactly. you can support afghan civilians while condemning the taliban. same logic applies to palestine. supporting civilians isn’t supporting hamas. You’re just proving my point
 
Prophet said:
But you quite literally said yourself that Hamas doesn’t protect its own people and that women and LGBTQ+ people face oppression under their rule. That’s exactly why the Afghanistan comparison applies, you can recognize that a society is being harmed by the group controlling it while still having sympathy for the innocent people living under that system. Oppressed people don’t become undeserving of support just because their society/leading governent has serious problems.
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im not saying innocent civilians deserve to suffer because of their government. my point is that i don’t feel the same level of solidarity with a society whose values on issues like women’s rights and f****t rights are often very different from mine. i just dont want to overlook these provlems
 
trvecel said:
if you wanna talk about empathy lets discuss the fact that rarely any jews are actually zionists yet most jews get anti semetic comments thrown at them because muh palestine, realistically both israel and palestine are in the wrong n supporting either is giga retarded, israelis are killing people but so are palestians, since palestines not a country and doesnt have muh military though they get support from every virtue signaler on eaeth
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the 'both sides are bad' narrative is the most cowardly, uneducated centrism out there. this isn't virtue signaling, it's having the basic decency to see the brutal asymmetry of a conflict where thousands of civilians are dying, and if you actually cared about antisemitism you'd know how to separate state politics from the Jewish religion 😹😹😹, but it's just easier for you to lump everything together to justify your total lack of empathy and your ignorance
 
Lydia said:
exactly. you can support afghan civilians while condemning the taliban. same logic applies to palestine. supporting civilians isn’t supporting hamas. You’re just proving my point
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i can want civilians to be safe and disagree with palestinian society
 
Bananachip said:
Bro nobody is saying Palestine can do no wrong 😑 I don’t want children to get exploded
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true I don't support the idf's actions but I also don't support terrorists either
my support lies with the normal ass everyday people whose lives get thrown out the window by the 2 group's fighting
 
zaycism said:
im not saying innocent civilians deserve to suffer because of their government. my point is that i don’t feel the same level of solidarity with a society whose values on issues like women’s rights and f****t rights are often very different from mine. i just dont want to overlook these provlems
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Do you even understand what I’m saying?

You yourself acknowledged that Hamas is bad for civilians too . If that’s the case, then saying “Palestinian society supports oppressing women or anti-LGBTQ laws” is not an accurate way to describe the situation, because many of those policies come from terrorist groups in power which are opressing the same society you deem as horrible. The same way women in Afghanistan don’t create the laws that restrict them but are still oppressed by the Taliban????

And even if that wasn't the case, many claims about Palestinian societies and even Hamas themselves are often presented as facts without enough evidence or without acknowledging the complexity of the situation.
 
Prophet said:
Do you even understand what I’m saying?

You yourself acknowledged that Hamas is bad for civilians too . If that’s the case, then saying “Palestinian society supports oppressing women or anti-LGBTQ laws” is not an accurate way to describe the situation, because many of those policies come from terrorist groups in power which are opressing the same society you deem as horrible. The same way women in Afghanistan don’t create the laws that restrict them but are still oppressed by the Taliban????

And even if that wasn't the case, many claims about Palestinian societies and even Hamas themselves are often presented as facts without enough evidence or without acknowledging the complexity of the situation.
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ive said not every falastini supports hamas or every discriminatory law. the concern is that, beyond hamas, there are documented reports on issues like women’s rights and lgbtq rights among parts of palestrnian society. not that everyone is responsible.


my point is simply that i dont feel the same political solidarity with a society whose social values conflict with my own.
 
zaycism said:
ive said not every falastini supports hamas or every discriminatory law. the concern is that, beyond hamas, there are documented reports on issues like women’s rights and lgbtq rights among parts of palestrnian society. not that everyone is responsible.


my point is simply that i dont feel the same political solidarity with a society whose social values conflict with my own.
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Jesus fucking christ, that argument could be made about almost every society on Earth.

Yeah no shit, there are people in every country who hold views or support things we strongly disagree with. That doesn’t mean innocent civilians should lose rights because of the society they live in.


By that logic, women in Afghanistan would somehow be responsible for the Taliban’s beliefs and laws just because those ideas exist in parts of Afghan society and are accepted by WOMEN too, which makes no sense. The fact that some people within a society hold views that conflict with yours does not mean civilians deserve to be killed, tortured, starved, r***d, mutilated or have their children suffer because of it?
 
Prophet said:
Jesus fucking christ, that argument could be made about almost every society on Earth.

Yeah no shit, there are people in every country who hold views or support things we strongly disagree with. That doesn’t mean innocent civilians should lose rights because of the society they live in.


By that logic, women in Afghanistan would somehow be responsible for the Taliban’s beliefs and laws just because those ideas exist in parts of Afghan society and are accepted by WOMEN too, which makes no sense. The fact that some people within a society hold views that conflict with yours does not mean civilians deserve to be killed, tortured, starved, r***d, mutilated or have their children suffer because of it?
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Someone with class consciousness. Thank you
 
Lydia said:
Someone with class consciousness. Thank you
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virtue signaling​

noun​


Virtue signaling is the act of expressing moral values or beliefs primarily to enhance one's social standing or self-image, often without taking meaningful action. It is frequently used to suggest hypocrisy and can apply to both individuals and companies.
 
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trvecel said:

virtue signaling​

noun​


Virtue signaling is the act of expressing moral values or beliefs primarily to enhance one's social standing or self-image, often without taking meaningful action. It is frequently used to suggest hypocrisy and can apply to both individuals and companies.
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is it virtue signaling or do you lack empathy and understanding
 
trvecel said:

virtue signaling​

noun​


Virtue signaling is the act of expressing moral values or beliefs primarily to enhance one's social standing or self-image, often without taking meaningful action. It is frequently used to suggest hypocrisy and can apply to both individuals and companies.
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dropping a dictionary definition because you have zero argument is pathetic. if acknowledging dead civilians is "virtue signaling" to you, you're just a callous piece of shit hiding behind fake centrism. Btw. Mark as solution. f****t
 
Lydia said:
dropping a dictionary definition because you have zero argument is pathetic. if acknowledging dead civilians is "virtue signaling" to you, you're just a callous piece of shit hiding behind fake centrism. Btw. Mark as solution. f****t
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trvecel said:

virtue signaling​

noun​


Virtue signaling is the act of expressing moral values or beliefs primarily to enhance one's social standing or self-image, often without taking meaningful action. It is frequently used to suggest hypocrisy and can apply to both individuals and companies.
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trvecel said:
neither side is good stop acting like palestine can do no wrong
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Other muslim countries don't want to welcome and naturalize palestinians in their own country because their political and religious beliefs would destabilize their own country. That's why Egypt just send a bit of help but don't welcome any palestinians, because they got rid of jihadism/isis related power places a while ago and don't want that shit again.

Even if Israel got nuked and Palestine is back, it will still be a shithole like Afghanistan, where women and lgbt people would be stoned for having a thought.

People are for Palestine because they're muslim and so fullfil the antiracism bingo card, performative. Like nobody care if Armenia, Kurdistan etc are living the same situation.
 
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TonyDr said:
Other muslim countries don't want to welcome and naturalize palestinians in their own country because their political and religious beliefs would destabilize their own country. That's why Egypt just send a bit of help but don't welcome any palestinians, because they got rid of jihadism/isis related power places a while ago and don't want that shit again.

Even if Israel got nuked and Palestine is back, it will still be a shithole like Afghanistan, where women and lgbt people would be stoned for having a thought.

People are for Palestine because they're muslim and so fullfil the antiracism bingo card, performative. Like nobody care if Armenia, Kurdistan etc are living the same situation.
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kurdistan is a muslim region and has a different situation, the armenian genocide was covered up by turkey and some kurds, and they don’t do stoning anymore in arab countries

people who are for palestine are against european colonialism and the killing of children, plus the middle east is a shithole because of saudi arabia sending out extremist ideology (causing terrorist groups) and colonial powers

thats all! :bongotap:
 
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