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dear Looksmaxxers...

The philtrum is one of the most crucial parts of our face, they either define a good looking and harmonious face or a bad one. It usually is very underrated, but its causes are way wider than the expectations.

The philtrum is the midline groove in the upper lip that runs from the top of the lip to the nose. The way the philtrum appears is determined genetically.


Lenghts

How long should my philrum be?

What is Philtrum Reduction?


First, it's very important to understand that the lengths of the philtrum are more strict for women

It is usually prefered for a woman to have a 11-13 millimiters long philtrum, while for men it's usually 15 millimiters.

GenderIdeal length
Female11-13 mm
Male15 mm

Does philtrum's length change with age?

Yes, from a recent study it is found that a philtrum tends to gain 0.5 mm of length every 10 years.

Can I change my philtrum's length? Shorten it?

Surgeries and shortening methods

You have a long philtrum? Don't worry, there are many methods which help shortening the philtrum

- Natural methods

There are 2 natural methods

  • Mewing, mewing can help shorten the philtrum, why's that? Well, since in most cases a long philtrum is the result of a recessed mandible, since mewing consists on placing the tongue on the roof of your mouth, and by consequence getting a better jaw developement, it results in a shorter philtrum. Still, mewing is effective only if you are under 18, after this age the jaw is fully grown and it won't really change by mewing

How to find out correctly if your maxilla is recessed or not - Quora

  • ?Facial excersises?, yeah, you may also try facial excersises on youtube, this could be useful, since in some cases a long philtrum is caused by muscles which lost it's elasticity or such stuff, but this is only the case if you are aging.
- Surgeries

There is also one surgery which could help with shortening a philtrum, it is also a pretty good one,

it is called lip lift.

Lip Lift - West End Plastic Surgery


Philtrum reduction methods
Natural methodsSurgeries
- Mewing
- Facial excersises
- Lip lift

Ratios

The philtrum causes many difference in the level of facial aesthetics and harmony, let's see some common ratios which include the length of the philtrum.

- Chin to philtrum ratio, it consists on the length from the subnasal to the line between the top and the lower lip, it is usually prefered for men to have a 1:2 ratio and for women a 1:1.5 one.

Ideals of Facial Beauty | MDedge Dermatology


- Midface ratio, basically measures the space between the two pupils and the one between the middle of the interpupillary one to the margin of the upper lip. What does this have to do with the philtrum? Well, if you have a long philtrum it's more likely for you to fail this ratio, such as the dude in this picture. A 1:1 ratio is best.

How bad is this midface ratio? | Looksmax.org - Men's Self-Improvement &  Aesthetics



RatioIdeal
Chin-to-philtrum ratio1:2 for men

1:1.5 for women
Midface ratio1:1


Am i ruined if i have a long philtrum?

In the vast majority of world's population with a long philtrum, with all of its imperfections and subhumans (to spice it up), yes. It does hurt, but it's true, and this is what blackpill is.

But what's that small percentage in which you aren't cooked if you have a long philtrum? Well, that's the case when you have perfect midface ratios, when the midface is perfect even with to not ideal length of your philtrum, and at that point your philtrum's length doesn't matter at all for the midface, you would only ruin the philtrum-to-chin ratio. This is the case of Zac Efron, (And me (Don't worry my ego is not that big)) which manages to look good even with a long philtrum

Zac Efron | POPSUGAR UK
 
Good thread bhai
 
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@allexxs my chin to philtrum ratio is 1:2.14 also my midface ratio,fwhr,and TFWHR are not ideal.
i should a few more information to see if your face is disharmonious, but still the chin to philtrum ratio is not that bad
 
i should a few more information to see if your face is disharmonious, but still the chin to philtrum ratio is not that bad
This are my screwed up ratios(perfect Ratios are not listed and this is only front profile)
IpD 49%
Unequal Facial thirds
Jaw frontal angle 105 degree
Cheekbone height 68%
TFWHR 1.23
Midface ratio 1.18
Neck width 87%
Eye spacing 1.24
Eye Aspect Ratio 2.82
Deviation oF IAA and JFA 10.49degree
Eyebrow tilt 17.52degree
Bitemporal width 73.83%
 
Approximate measurement but I’m around 1:2 philtrum to chin so cool
Its should be more 1:2 is the bare minimum



I have the same it will around 1:2.1 when i lose fat


O pry has 1:3.14
 
I have a ratio of 3.5 because I have a very short philtrum (1 cm)
My midface ratio is 1:1
 
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dear Looksmaxxers...

The philtrum is one of the most crucial parts of our face, they either define a good looking and harmonious face or a bad one. It usually is very underrated, but its causes are way wider than the expectations.

The philtrum is the midline groove in the upper lip that runs from the top of the lip to the nose. The way the philtrum appears is determined genetically.


Lenghts



What is Philtrum Reduction?


First, it's very important to understand that the lengths of the philtrum are more strict for women

It is usually prefered for a woman to have a 11-13 millimiters long philtrum, while for men it's usually 15 millimiters.

GenderIdeal length
Female11-13 mm
Male15 mm



Yes, from a recent study it is found that a philtrum tends to gain 0.5 mm of length every 10 years.



Surgeries and shortening methods

You have a long philtrum? Don't worry, there are many methods which help shortening the philtrum

- Natural methods

There are 2 natural methods

  • Mewing, mewing can help shorten the philtrum, why's that? Well, since in most cases a long philtrum is the result of a recessed mandible, since mewing consists on placing the tongue on the roof of your mouth, and by consequence getting a better jaw developement, it results in a shorter philtrum. Still, mewing is effective only if you are under 18, after this age the jaw is fully grown and it won't really change by mewing

How to find out correctly if your maxilla is recessed or not - Quora

  • ?Facial excersises?, yeah, you may also try facial excersises on youtube, this could be useful, since in some cases a long philtrum is caused by muscles which lost it's elasticity or such stuff, but this is only the case if you are aging.
- Surgeries

There is also one surgery which could help with shortening a philtrum, it is also a pretty good one,

it is called lip lift.

Lip Lift - West End Plastic Surgery


Philtrum reduction methods
Natural methodsSurgeries
- Mewing
- Facial excersises
- Lip lift

Ratios

The philtrum causes many difference in the level of facial aesthetics and harmony, let's see some common ratios which include the length of the philtrum.

- Chin to philtrum ratio, it consists on the length from the subnasal to the line between the top and the lower lip, it is usually prefered for men to have a 1:2 ratio and for women a 1:1.5 one.

Ideals of Facial Beauty | MDedge Dermatology


- Midface ratio, basically measures the space between the two pupils and the one between the middle of the interpupillary one to the margin of the upper lip. What does this have to do with the philtrum? Well, if you have a long philtrum it's more likely for you to fail this ratio, such as the dude in this picture. A 1:1 ratio is best.

How bad is this midface ratio? | Looksmax.org - Men's Self-Improvement &  Aesthetics's Self-Improvement &  Aesthetics



RatioIdeal
Chin-to-philtrum ratio1:2 for men

1:1.5 for women
Midface ratio1:1




In the vast majority of world's population with a long philtrum, with all of its imperfections and subhumans (to spice it up), yes. It does hurt, but it's true, and this is what blackpill is.

But what's that small percentage in which you aren't cooked if you have a long philtrum? Well, that's the case when you have perfect midface ratios, when the midface is perfect even with to not ideal length of your philtrum, and at that point your philtrum's length doesn't matter at all for the midface, you would only ruin the philtrum-to-chin ratio. This is the case of Zac Efron, (And me (Don't worry my ego is not that big)) which manages to look good even with a long philtrum

Zac Efron | POPSUGAR UK
My philtrum length is the #1 thing I dislike about my appearance. Im a girl and mine is 16 mm. Been mewing since I was maybe 13, im 19 now. I have a botox lip flip though and i think it helps a little. I read the lip flip can shorten philtrum by 1 mm. I want to get lip lift surgery in the future though
 
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My philtrum length is the #1 thing I dislike about my appearance. Im a girl and mine is 16 mm. Been mewing since I was maybe 13, im 19 now. I have a botox lip flip though and i think it helps a little. I read the lip flip can shorten philtrum by 1 mm. I want to get lip lift surgery in the future though
obviously mewing is only going to work if you're reccesed

recessed -> long philtrum

mewing -> fixes recessed -> fixes long philtrum
 
obviously mewing is only going to work if you're reccesed

recessed -> long philtrum

mewing -> fixes recessed -> fixes long philtrum
You mean if my chin is recessed or what do you mean? I dont know if mewing helped fix it at all, but my chin actually is still recessed
 
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My philtrum length is the #1 thing I dislike about my appearance. Im a girl and mine is 16 mm. Been mewing since I was maybe 13, im 19 now. I have a botox lip flip though and i think it helps a little. I read the lip flip can shorten philtrum by 1 mm. I want to get lip lift surgery in the future though
16 millimiter is not that much of a long philtrum though
 
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You mean if my chin is recessed or what do you mean? I dont know if mewing helped fix it at all, but my chin actually is still recessed
mewing only works for certain people, if it doens't work consider chewing hard gums such as falim

usually a long philtrum may be caused by a recessed mandible
 
16 millimiter is not that much of a long philtrum though
Maybe it’s somewhat in my head, but I swear it’s like the only thing I see when I look at my face lol. I have some pictures of it on my profile, but I have botox in my lip muscle so I think it made it a little less noticeable and also im smiling in the pictures so
 

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