Serious Pray more

[GlorytoLord]

Pray and goodness shall come to you.
Pray in the morning, afternoon, night all day
A small sign of the cross changes everything.

When it's a good day, pray
When it's a bad day, pray
If your promised gift doesn't come, don't think it's cancelled, it's either delayed or takes time to manifest
Don't move faster than your own shadow.

Weekend? Pray the Rosary. Go in a quiet place, make time for Him.

After praying, help people. Be kind, sympathetic, avoid cursing, for the power of life and death lies in your tongue. (Proverbs 18:21)

Do good, even when not asked to. Be humble, judge fairly. Keep yourself.
October is the time where witches and wizards reunite to cast spells. Strengthen your spirit. Do not come out trick-or-treating on halloween. Through the Holy Spirit, Jesus had told me that we're in the times of revenge and justice. Repent, forgive others and get ready for His return.

 

[Vastu07]

If God desires the end of suffering, why does suffering remain? If prayer compels his will, he is not sovereign; if it cannot, what fruit bears the prayer? That which is perfect requires no supplication, and that which is swayed by supplication was never perfect. All things arise through causes and conditions; nowhere is an independent creator found. He who seeks liberation through prayer seeks in another what must be understood through wisdom. Thus, not by the praise of the unseen, but by the exhaustion of ignorance, does suffering cease.

All glories to my Lord and Life Sakyamuni Buddha and my Beloved master Nagarjuna.

 

[zillophone67]

If God desires the end of suffering, why does suffering remain? If prayer compels his will, he is not sovereign; if it cannot, what fruit bears the prayer? That which is perfect requires no supplication, and that which is swayed by supplication was never perfect. All things arise through causes and conditions; nowhere is an independent creator found. He who seeks liberation through prayer seeks in another what must be understood through wisdom. Thus, not by the praise of the unseen, but by the exhaustion of ignorance, does suffering cease.

All glories to my Lord and Life Sakyamuni Buddha and my Beloved master Nagarjuna.

you have to pray in accordance of his will

 

[Vastu07]

you have to pray in accordance of his will

Then prayer does not move God; it is the petitioner who must move toward God’s will. But if his will is already perfect, prayer cannot improve it; and if prayer is required to discover it, his will was not made clear. If every outcome, even suffering, is justified as his will, then no possible event can disprove the claim. A doctrine that explains every outcome explains none. Tell me, then: by what independent reason do you establish this divine will, other than the very belief you seek to prove?

 

[zillophone67]

View attachment 437097

Then prayer does not move God; it is the petitioner who must move toward God’s will. But if his will is already perfect, prayer cannot improve it; and if prayer is required to discover it, his will was not made clear. If every outcome, even suffering, is justified as his will, then no possible event can disprove the claim. A doctrine that explains every outcome explains none. Tell me, then: by what independent reason do you establish this divine will, other than the very belief you seek to prove?

god already knows what our petition will be. prayer its just a way to glorify god by humilliating ourselves and admitting that we can't do anything in our own

 

[Vastu07]

god already knows what our petition will be. prayer its just a way to glorify god by humilliating ourselves and admitting that we can't do anything in our own

If God knows every petition before it is uttered, prayer conveys no knowledge; if he requires humiliation to receive glory, perfection stands in need of praise. If man can do nothing without God, then his helplessness, his prayer, and even his refusal to pray unfold by divine decree; upon what ground, then, is he praised for devotion or blamed for its absence? If you answer that he possesses free will, you have conceded a power not wholly reducible to divine will; if you deny it, you make worship itself a divinely predetermined performance. And if you claim that God needs nothing, yet commands glorification, you must explain why the needless is demanded. A being who requires nothing gains nothing from prayer; a being who gains something from prayer was never without need. To call this mystery does not dissolve the contradiction; it merely gives ignorance a sacred name.

 

[sinning]

Bruh just be atheist lolol

 

[Vastu07]

Bruh just be atheist lolol

Exactly. All praises to my lord.

 

[sinning]

View attachment 437127
Exactly. All praises to my lord.

How does this make sense

 

[Vastu07]

How does this make sense

My lord has established that the doctrine of a god/creator is foolish.

 

[zillophone67]

If God knows every petition before it is uttered, prayer conveys no knowledge; if he requires humiliation to receive glory, perfection stands in need of praise. If man can do nothing without God, then his helplessness, his prayer, and even his refusal to pray unfold by divine decree; upon what ground, then, is he praised for devotion or blamed for its absence? If you answer that he possesses free will, you have conceded a power not wholly reducible to divine will; if you deny it, you make worship itself a divinely predetermined performance. And if you claim that God needs nothing, yet commands glorification, you must explain why the needless is demanded. A being who requires nothing gains nothing from prayer; a being who gains something from prayer was never without need. To call this mystery does not dissolve the contradiction; it merely gives ignorance a sacred name.

he doesn't need anything from us, theres nothing we can give him that he needs. he does it for love and patience

 

[sinning]

My lord has established that the doctrine of a god/creator is foolish.

But aren’t u religious if u believe in a lord?

 

[Vastu07]

But aren’t u religious if u believe in a lord?

My lord (Sakyamuni Buddha) is my lord not because I worship or pray to him silly. His wisdom guides me and his wisdom liberates me from suffering. That's why I have dedicated my life in the service of the world, it's being, and his Dhamma.

 

[sinning]

My lord (Sakyamuni Buddha) is my lord not because I worship or pray to him silly. His wisdom guides me and his wisdom liberates me from suffering. That's why I have dedicated my life in the service of the world, it's being, and his Dhamma.

so ur like Jesus

 

[angelsvoid]

Bruh just be atheist lolol

that’s the way

 

[Vastu07]

he doesn't need anything from us, theres nothing we can give him that he needs. he does it for love and patience

If God needs nothing and acts solely out of love, then explain why omnipotent love permits suffering that omnipotent power could prevent. What patience can there be in one who faces no limitation, and what compassion is demonstrated by permitting agony one has the power to end? If you answer that suffering serves a greater purpose, prove that this purpose could not be achieved through a lesser evil; otherwise, you merely presume necessity where none has been established. If every blessing proves his love and every tragedy is excused as his mysterious wisdom, then no possible event can disprove your claim. That is not a demonstration of perfect goodness, but a doctrine rendered immune to examination. To call the contradiction a mystery does not resolve it; it merely gives the unanswered question a sacred name.

Why do you keep repeating the same few things like a parrot. My lord and masters have already refuted the shallow idea of God.

 

[zillophone67]

If God needs nothing and acts solely out of love, then explain why omnipotent love permits suffering that omnipotent power could prevent. What patience can there be in one who faces no limitation, and what compassion is demonstrated by permitting agony one has the power to end? If you answer that suffering serves a greater purpose, prove that this purpose could not be achieved through a lesser evil; otherwise, you merely presume necessity where none has been established. If every blessing proves his love and every tragedy is excused as his mysterious wisdom, then no possible event can disprove your claim. That is not a demonstration of perfect goodness, but a doctrine rendered immune to examination. To call the contradiction a mystery does not resolve it; it merely gives the unanswered question a sacred name.

Why do you keep repeating the same few things like a parrot. My lord and masters have already refuted the shallow idea of God.

Your argument assumes that a perfectly good God must prevent every instance of suffering, but you have not established that this is necessarily true. God's patience is not weakness, and His decision to permit suffering does not prove indifference or injustice.

Scripture teaches that God is sovereign, that human beings are morally responsible for evil, and that His purposes exceed our limited understanding. The crucifixion of Christ demonstrates this: human wickedness accomplished the greatest injustice, yet God used it to bring about redemption.

This does not mean suffering is good or that every tragedy can be easily explained. It means that our inability to identify God's purpose does not prove that no purpose exists. To demand that God justify every action according to our finite understanding is to assume a knowledge we do not possess.

 

[GlorytoLord]

If God needs nothing and acts solely out of love, then explain why omnipotent love permits suffering that omnipotent power could prevent. What patience can there be in one who faces no limitation, and what compassion is demonstrated by permitting agony one has the power to end? If you answer that suffering serves a greater purpose, prove that this purpose could not be achieved through a lesser evil; otherwise, you merely presume necessity where none has been established. If every blessing proves his love and every tragedy is excused as his mysterious wisdom, then no possible event can disprove your claim. That is not a demonstration of perfect goodness, but a doctrine rendered immune to examination. To call the contradiction a mystery does not resolve it; it merely gives the unanswered question a sacred name.

You will get hurt easier if you're not in close relationship with the Lord. For example, you catch a cold, but you heal from it instantly.
.He puts you through troubles where ennemies can't survive. For example you're in the ocean with ennemies but you're the only one who doesn't drown because of His grace

Instead of blaming God for not saving you at every trouble, ask for strength to rebuke bad and demonic situations

I was not expecting a debate here. Jesus has been proven to be God in multiple instances, so it's up to the people to accept the evidence or not. We're not even talking about the thousands of realised prophecies of the recently found Noah's Ark.

 

[Vastu07]

Your argument assumes that a perfectly good God must prevent every instance of suffering, but you have not established that this is necessarily true. God's patience is not weakness, and His decision to permit suffering does not prove indifference or injustice.

Scripture teaches that God is sovereign, that human beings are morally responsible for evil, and that His purposes exceed our limited understanding. The crucifixion of Christ demonstrates this: human wickedness accomplished the greatest injustice, yet God used it to bring about redemption.

This does not mean suffering is good or that every tragedy can be easily explained. It means that our inability to identify God's purpose does not prove that no purpose exists. To demand that God justify every action according to our finite understanding is to assume a knowledge we do not possess.

Your God is not a good ruler. He might be a physcopath.
1. He is the creator of the world.
2. He could have created a world without suffering.
3. He created a world full of suffering and brutality.
4. Now he tests his own creation (humans) and their nature.
5. But that would simply be the test of himself, proving his own worth, or wether he's an able creator.

For example I create a toy car. Now if I am playing the the car, adding struggles to its path and testing it. In the end I would be testing my own creation (the toy car) as I'm the source and it would have not existed without me. Hope you get my point. My lord the Sakyamuni Buddha presents a similar argument against the Idea of your so called God.

 

[Vastu07]

You will get hurt easier if you're not in close relationship with the Lord. For example, you catch a cold, but you heal from it instantly.
.He puts you through troubles where ennemies can't survive. For example you're in the ocean with ennemies but you're the only one who doesn't drown because of His grace

Instead of blaming God for not saving you at every trouble, ask for strength to rebuke bad and demonic situations

I was not expecting a debate here. Jesus has been proven to be God in multiple instances, so it's up to the people to accept the evidence or not. We're not even talking about the thousands of realised prophecies of the recently found Noah's Ark.

Let's not talk about the miracles here, unfalsifiable rubbish. In the name of my lord, I declare this disscuson to be pointless as you're merely putting your faith and not thinking about it rationally.

 

[zillophone67]

Your God is not a good ruler. He might be a physcopath.
1. He is the creator of the world.
2. He could have created a world without suffering.
3. He created a world full of suffering and brutality.
4. Now he tests his own creation (humans) and their nature.
5. But that would simply be the test of himself, proving his own worth, or wether he's an able creator.

For example I create a toy car. Now if I am playing the the car, adding struggles to its path and testing it. In the end I would be testing my own creation (the toy car) as I'm the source and it would have not existed without me. Hope you get my point. My lord the Sakyamuni Buddha presents a similar argument against the Idea of your so called God.

can you pinpoint where in the bible he made a world of suffering?

 

[zillophone67]

Let's not talk about the miracles here, unfalsifiable rubbish. In the name of my lord, I declare this disscuson to be pointless as you're merely putting your faith and not thinking about it rationally.

first, you lie about God making a world of suffering, and then you accuse me of no thinking rationally?

 

[Vastu07]

can you pinpoint where in the bible he made a world of suffering?

I do not need the Bible to see the suffering my dear. Following my analogy.
If the car I made has a fault, would that not be a fault of the creator as I was the one who made it?

In similar fashion the God who made us, made you and me, created us imperfect. He's the source of our imperfections. If he's all knowing. He either:
1. Created us imperfect by choice and hence cruel.
2. Create us imperfect by mistake and hence dumb.
Hope you got my point.

 

[Vastu07]

first, you lie about God making a world of suffering, and then you accuse me of no thinking rationally?

Let's do in in a sutta fashion.
Can you explain why the world is full of suffering?

 

[zillophone67]

I do not need the Bible to see the suffering my dear. Following my analogy.
If the car I made has a fault, would that not be a fault of the creator as I was the one who made it?

In similar fashion the God who made us, made you and me, created us imperfect. He's the source of our imperfections. If he's all knowing. He either:
1. Created us imperfect by choice and hence cruel.
2. Create us imperfect by mistake and hence dumb.
Hope you got my point.

you never read the first 3 chapters of the bible? im not asking you to read the whole thing im just asking you to know the basics. God made everything good, then the human just shitted on everything. He made adan and eve with free will, that means that they were not robots. After that they decided to disobey and then sin entered world by the human hand, not God's. Matter fact, God gave Adan and Eve a chance to confess and stop them from bringing the sin in the world.

Let's do in in a sutta fashion.
Can you explain why the world is full of suffering?

human choice to sin

 

[GlorytoLord]

Let's do in in a sutta fashion.
Can you explain why the world is full of suffering?

Genesis answers this

 

[Vastu07]

you never read the first 3 chapters of the bible? im not asking you to read the whole thing im just asking you to know the basics. God made everything good, then the human just shitted on everything. He made adan and eve with free will, that means that they were not robots. After that they decided to disobey and then sin entered world by the human hand, not God's. Matter fact, God gave Adan and Eve a chance to confess and stop them from bringing the sin in the world.


human choice to sin

if God created human beings knowing their limitations and the suffering they would experience, how can God be absolved of responsibility for the conditions of their existence?

Only 3 axioms and critical thinking is needed here.
1. God created human beings.
2. God is omniscient and therefore knew their limitations and the suffering that would occur.
3. God had the power to create a different world.

Now read my previous replies properly and you'll get my point. Let's end this now. Namo Buddhāya.

 

[zillophone67]

if God created human beings knowing their limitations and the suffering they would experience, how can God be absolved of responsibility for the conditions of their existence?

Only 3 axioms and critical thinking is needed here.
1. God created human beings.
2. God is omniscient and therefore knew their limitations and the suffering that would occur.
3. God had the power to create a different world.

Now read my previous replies properly and you'll get my point. Let's end this now. Namo Buddhāya.

we're getting nowhere, lets just be friends and leave this in the past