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[Phosphophilyte]

How did they do it this will probs tell me if you are empathetic but an idiot or a larping empath who is just sensitive

Indirect manip but
when one of your "friends" use the crowd judgment to push you into something you didn’t want to

 

[Phosphophilyte]

I think empathy is actually required to be a skilled manipulator. You put yourself in their shoes and use your intuition to discern how best to manipulate them.

Empathy is often conflated with being a kind person but it’s not true. Empathy is simply the ability to feel and understand the emotions of others. It just a skill that allows you to know what other person is feeling. Some people will use this information and be kind, some will use it for their own advantage.

I know a certain master, he is banned now

 

[milkjar]

You have low empathy compared to most

I'm one of the most empathetic users here, you guys are the real monsters, you never try to understand other people and just jump straight to judging them

 

[prettybird]

I know a certain master, he is banned now

I’ve played these games before

 

[milkjar]

@Beatrice. just be laugh reacting anything bro

 

[limo8]

no good answer from me sadly im not in the mood

 

[Randomized Shame]

It is impossible for an empathetic person to manipulate its not in their nature firstly

If they do manipulate it is to help someone and it is shitty manipulation, not even a good one. To manipulate someone, you NEED to have a lower empathy than most

The higher your empathy is the less selective it is

The empathy makes you a kind person and altruistic

That's not really what empathy means. "Kind person" and "altruistic" are not synonyms for empathy. It's also not "impossible". You might be confusing it with the word sympathy, which is "feelings of pity and sorrow for someone else's misfortune".

I think empathy is actually required to be a skilled manipulator. You put yourself in their shoes and use your intuition to discern how best to manipulate them.

Empathy is often conflated with being a kind person but it’s not true. Empathy is simply the ability to feel and understand the emotions of others. It just a skill that allows you to know what other person is feeling. Some people will use this information and be kind, some will use it for their own advantage.

I think you're right, but I think most abusive manipulators end up not being empathetic, which is why most of them end up alone. I think people forget manipulation is not inherently abusive, but it can be. In a lot of cases a lot of good business people are manipulative.

1) what is empathy for you
2) do you think empathetic people are easily manipulated
3) do you think empathetic people are emotional

welcome to my new hyperfixation, manipulation
you can tell if someone is empathetic with these questions too if that interests you idiots

1. Being able to understand someone else's emotions regardless your stance on what's happening.
2. Not inherently.
3. Not inherently.

 

[Phosphophilyte]

@Beatrice. just be laugh reacting anything bro

It was funny

 

[limo8]

That's not really what empathy means. "Kind person" and "altruistic" are not synonyms for empathy. It's also not "impossible". You might be confusing it with the word sympathy, which is "feelings of pity and sorrow for someone else's misfortune".


I think you're right, but I think most abusive manipulators end up not being empathetic, which is why most of them end up alone. I think people forget manipulation is not inherently abusive, but it can be. In a lot of cases a lot of good business people are manipulative.


1. Being able to understand someone else's emotions regardless your stance of what's happening.
2. Not inherently.
3. Not inherently.

you sound mature good that you figured out parts in your life to come where you are rn

 

[Phosphophilyte]

That's not really what empathy means. "Kind person" and "altruistic" are not synonyms for empathy. It's also not "impossible". You might be confusing it with the word sympathy, which is "feelings of pity and sorrow for someone else's misfortune".

Yes you can be very empathetic and still be cruel or kind , empathetic people aren't necessarily nice or have to be nice

 

[Phosphophilyte]

you sound mature good that you figured out parts in your life to come where you are rn

He is a good dad

 

[limo8]

He is a good dad

no idea

 

[Schizotypalcel]

to lazy to answer

 

[Randomized Shame]

Yes you can be very empathetic and still be cruel or kind , empathetic people aren't necessarily nice or have to be nice

Most people think that even if you lived vicariously through someone else, it means you would pick the same path as that person, but it's just not true.

I could fully understand on an emotional level why someone would keep a blanket that they had since childhood. I could empathize with them and find it heartwarming in the same way they feel about that blanket. I might even tear up hearing about how much that blanket means to them. It doesn't mean I would've kept the blanket though if I was in their position.

You can't put actions on emotions, you can predict certain actions with certain emotions but they're not inherently action based, they're just feelings based.

 

[Vein]

Probably isn’t a serious thread, but i’ll give my opinion on it anyway.

1) what is empathy for you

Depends on what exactly you mean by the question. I can understand why they feel the way they feel sometimes, i just don’t give a shit. But that also partially depends on the person.

2) do you think empathetic people are easily manipulated

Yes. Most empathetic people are doormats who are afraid of speaking their mind. They are often guilt-tripped into borderline slavery.

3) do you think empathetic people are emotional

Most of the time, they’re too emotional to think rationally or make a logical decision/opinion on anything.

I don’t think empathy is a bad quality to have, but not necessarily a good quality either. Good when it comes to personal relationships and such, bad when it comes to decision making and other things.

 

[Vein]

Mirin the darkeningstar thread, by the way.

 

[prettybird]

Yes you can be very empathetic and still be cruel or kind , empathetic people aren't necessarily nice or have to be nice

You can feel sorry for someone and empathise with their pain, and at the same time take advantage of their weakness. Empathy can be performed and weaponized

 

[Phosphophilyte]

Most people think that even if you lived vicariously through someone else, it means you would pick the same path as that person, but it's just not true.

I could fully understand on an emotional level why someone would keep a blanket that they had since childhood. I could empathize with them and find it heartwarming in the same way they feel about that blanket. I might even tear up hearing about how much that blanket means to them. It doesn't mean I would've kept the blanket though if I was in their position.

You can't put actions on emotions, you can predict certain actions with certain emotions but they're not inherently action based, they're just feelings based.

You have a good EU
Teach me master

 

[limo8]

You have a good EU
Teach me master

what's EU

 

[Phosphophilyte]

what's EU

Emotional understanding

 

[Vein]

You can feel sorry for someone and empathise with their pain, and at the same time take advantage of their weakness. Empathy can be performed and weaponized

I believe that most people perform empathy more than they actually feel it. That’s just the superficial nature of humanity.

 

[Phosphophilyte]

That’s just the superficial nature of humanity.

I am a superficial person

 

[Randomized Shame]

I believe that most people perform empathy more than they actually feel it. That’s just the superficial nature of humanity.

I also agree with this. It's very easy to say you understand where someone is coming from, it's different to truly understand it. The problem with thoughts is they're not external, so you can keep them to yourself no matter what you say to someone else. It's why "actions speak louder than words" is a common phrase.

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

That's not really what empathy means. "Kind person" and "altruistic" are not synonyms for empathy. It's also not "impossible". You might be confusing it with the word sympathy, which is "feelings of pity and sorrow for someone else's misfortune".

Yeah I didn’t say this is empathy

I think you're right, but I think most abusive manipulators end up not being empathetic, which is why most of them end up alone. I think people forget manipulation is not inherently abusive, but it can be. In a lot of cases a lot of good business people are manipulative.

Good response here in the second paragraph

1. Being able to understand someone else's emotions regardless your stance on what's happening.
2. Not inherently.
3. Not inherently.

And good second and third responses

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

Empathetic - The ability to understand someone’s feelings and perspectives on a deep level. Putting yourself in their shoes.

Manipulative - Using influence, often in a cunning or deceitful way, to control others to your advantage.

By this definition, someone without morals could definitely use their empathetic abilities to aid their manipulative tactics knowing exactly how hurtful their action is to the people on the receiving end.

Key word without morals but thanks for answering question number 1

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

Indirect manip but
when one of your "friends" use the crowd judgment to push you into something you didn’t want to

Yeah you are probably empathetic if the person used other people to manipulate you

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

I believe that most people perform empathy more than they actually feel it. That’s just the superficial nature of humanity.

If you perform it then it is not actual empathy

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

I also agree with this. It's very easy to say you understand where someone is coming from, it's different to truly understand it. The problem with thoughts is they're not external, so you can keep them to yourself no matter what you say to someone else. It's why "actions speak louder than words" is a common phrase.

Yeah someone who is empathetic but mean would have good actions but poor words whereas someone who is nice but not empathetic would just tell you a bunch of crap so you can “feel better”

 

[Vein]

If you perform it then it is not actual empathy

That’s why i said they perform it rather than actually feeling it. I’m mirin the autism

 

[Randomized Shame]

Yeah I didn’t say this is empathy

Technically true. You said empathy "makes" you kind, which is not the same thing as empathy is you being kind. My point is I don't know if I agree with that concept. I explained it a bit more in my other reply:

Most people think that even if you lived vicariously through someone else, it means you would pick the same path as that person, but it's just not true.

I could fully understand on an emotional level why someone would keep a blanket that they had since childhood. I could empathize with them and find it heartwarming in the same way they feel about that blanket. I might even tear up hearing about how much that blanket means to them. It doesn't mean I would've kept the blanket though if I was in their position.

You can't put actions on emotions, you can predict certain actions with certain emotions but they're not inherently action based, they're just feelings based.

I don't think having empathy inherently makes you kind. I think saying "empathy is more likely to make you kind" is more accurate.

But I also think the term altruistic is also wrong in this context. Normally we associate that word with charity or great sacrifice. Like being kind because you think it's morally correct is inherently altruistic, where being kind to make someone happy is not.

What you're describing kind of crosses into "people pleasing" territory, which you do not need to be emphatic to do. It makes it easier if you were empathetic perhaps. I mean the fact you're talking about manipulation is probably an example you're probably referring to individual behaviors and relationship dynamics, not the concept of someone being empathetic to a greater cause like the word "altruistic" might suggest.

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

bump

 

[limo8]

im not smart

 

[Currycelloser]

) what is empathy for you

whatever the mainstream advice is tbh

2) do you think empathetic people are easily manipulated

depends on the empathy spectrum

3) do you think empathetic people are emotional

yeah

 

[pxe]

Answer the questions this is not answering this is like idk bro it’s all very wrong just answer my question for my lab experiment

low empathetic response

 

[Schizotypalcel]

3) do you think empathetic people are emotional

This varies, everything you stated can not be universally set on someone.

Some people have empathy but don’t show it in a warm or expressive way. They look shut-down, detached, or like they don’t care. That often can signify trauma though but it's such a wide spectrum that pin pointing possibility's of empathy for manipulation can only be done through understanding of the person rather then empathy.

There are 3 main types of empathy, for instance there is empathy where you don't feel for the person at all but understand what they are going through. (cognitive empathy) There is emotional feeling towards someone who has it rough for whatever scenario they are in. (emotional affective empathy). Then there is empathy that is warm and welcoming and usually there to be a tool for someone going through a rough patch (Empathic concern).

2) do you think empathetic people are easily manipulated

Empathy itself is not what makes someone manipulable, it is empathy without discernment. Most of the time when someone is in higher, more intentional state of empathy it's easier to track manipulation.
Yet even then, manipulation can still find it's way through, so the line between clarity and influence is never absolute.

1) what is empathy for you

Faggotry

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

This varies, everything you stated can not be universally set on someone.

Some people have empathy but don’t show it in a warm or expressive way. They look shut-down, detached, or like they don’t care. That often can signify trauma though but it's such a wide spectrum that pin pointing possibility's of empathy for manipulation can only be done through understanding of the person rather then empathy.

There are 3 main types of empathy, for instance there is empathy where you don't feel for the person at all but understand what they are going through. (cognitive empathy) There is emotional feeling towards someone who has it rough for whatever scenario they are in. (emotional affective empathy). Then there is empathy that is warm and welcoming and usually there to be a tool for someone going through a rough patch (Empathic concern).

Empathy itself is not what makes someone manipulable, it is empathy without discernment. Most of the time when someone is in higher, more intentional state of empathy it's easier to track manipulation.
Yet even then, manipulation can still find it's way through, so the line between clarity and influence is never absolute.

Faggotry

Good response, mirin diagnosed sociopathy

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

low empathetic response

try answer the questions what do you think?

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

This varies, everything you stated can not be universally set on someone.

Some people have empathy but don’t show it in a warm or expressive way. They look shut-down, detached, or like they don’t care. That often can signify trauma though but it's such a wide spectrum that pin pointing possibility's of empathy for manipulation can only be done through understanding of the person rather then empathy.

Yup the most empathetic people ik are usually really blunt

 

[Glamour]

1) what is empathy for you
2) do you think empathetic people are easily manipulated
3) do you think empathetic people are emotional

welcome to my new hyperfixation, manipulation
you can tell if someone is empathetic with these questions too if that interests you idiots

1. i feel like its being able to understand what someone is going through like being able to put urself in their shoes
2. depends ig
3. Just because someone is empathetic it doesn't mean they're also emotional

 

[Schizotypalcel]

Yup the most empathetic people ik are usually really blunt

Most empathetic people that are blunt are so overwhelmed, or even self aware enough to understand that they are treated more as a therapist then they are a friend or family member.

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

1. i feel like its being able to understand what someone is going through like being able to put urself in their shoes
2. depends ig
3. Just because someone is empathetic it doesn't mean they're also emotional

little words but really good ur highly empathetic

 

[Glamour]

little words but really good

yea im not really good at expressing my thoughts ig

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

b

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

1) what is empathy for you
2) do you think empathetic people are easily manipulated
3) do you think empathetic people are emotional

welcome to my new hyperfixation, manipulation
you can tell if someone is empathetic with these questions too if that interests you idiots

b

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

.

 

[nana]

try answer the questions what do you think?

dont think the way anyone answers actually matters in ur experiment. theyre just props ur bending to validate wtv narratives you constructed beforehand. u believe u can read everyone bc of ur self proclaimed high empathy. glam was always gna be read as an empath and schizo was always gna be a ‘sociopath’ regardless of the words they chose.
even if i pretend ur deriving your conclusions solely from the results of those 3 questions, the questions r shallow and flawed. in dms, u told me an empath can never be manipulated. here ur saying its also impossible for them to manipulate, unless to help someone else.
what would happen when 2 empaths attempt to manipulate each other, both for a ‘helpful’ purpose? and who do u think gets to deem it helpful?
manipulator decides:
they can justify any manipulation
ex. “i lied to them for their own good, it was to protect them” (u have done this one to me) meaning every harmful action becomes morally pure by default
victim decides:
as soon as they say the manipulator didnt do any good, the “helpful” part is invalidated, making it just plain manipulation and going against ur rule.

since both ppl are both manipulating and being manipulated, someone is still wronged and someone is still acting selfishly.
ur scenario forces one empath to be:
manipulable (contradiction)
or
manipulative in a malicious way (contradiction)

everything uve been saying is nothing but self serving fan fiction, and labeling urself as an empath under these rules would mean giving urself immunity to any manipulation and simultaneously claiming a moral pass to manipulate as you please, meaning no matter the situation or outcome, u would be able to stay morally clean in every single scenario. very bold claim

 

[RottingCarrie]

Im not trying to be edgy I am diagnosed with aspd and was diagnosed with conduct disorder at 14/15 im just explaining best I can.

1) what is empathy for you
I dont completely understand empathy, I do feel sympathy and can feel something similar to empathy but thats only towards things I think need "protected" such as small children or animals
2) do you think empathetic people are easily manipulated
Yes, if you explain to them anything bad that has happened they will use it to excuse your behaviors
3) do you think empathetic people are emotional
They absolutely can be but it isnt always extremly strong. Alot of empathetic people arent in tune with their own emotions making them act on their own thoughts and feelings less, but replacing it with others.

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

1) what is empathy for you
2) do you think empathetic people are easily manipulated
3) do you think empathetic people are emotional

welcome to my new hyperfixation, manipulation
you can tell if someone is empathetic with these questions too if that interests you idiots

1) idk I'll have to Google it
2) idk id have to conduct a survery
3) idk id have to insult them to see

 

[Deleted Member 84302]

@over0 can u answer

 

[over0]

@over0 can u answer

1. The ability to understands someone's (often negative) emotions/experiences, and how that can effect them
2. Virtually everyone is (to varying degrees) empathetic. I'm just gonna assume you mean a highly empathetic person, and in which case, yes.
3. Yes