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there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
 
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there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
Race and ethnicity is definitely real
 
This is what my teacher used to say
Cope tbh
 
there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
Hum yeah no
 
This is what my teacher used to say
Cope tbh
i don’t see how it’s cope

if anything spending your life believing that random people with genes somewhat similar yours are “your people” is cope
 
Careful the copes are hot
don’t understand how it’s a cope when all people can say is “no” instead of giving reasoning behind their stance
 
don’t understand how it’s a cope when all people can say is “no” instead of giving reasoning behind their stance
Race is a biological reality. You can't tell me you look at a black guy and a white guy and think there's no difference between them. Giving a fuck about it tho is arguable
 
Race is a biological reality. You can't tell me you look at a black guy and a white guy and think there's no difference between them. Giving a fuck about it tho is arguable
Big difference
 
Yeah just like how age is a social construct
most things are social constructs but they’re not as ridiculous/unscientific as things like “race” or “ethnicity”
 
there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
tell that to the n*****s in jail
 
Why're you moralmaxxing
No you see bro, even though both are social constructs and slave mindsets, he agrees with one so it's fine but anyone who believes in the one he doesn't agree with is retarded
 
Race is a biological reality. You can't tell me you look at a black guy and a white guy and think there's no difference between them. Giving a fuck about it tho is arguable
obviously they have different genes to a degree but this does not separate them into “races” it’s just a nonsensical belief that humans can be divided into categories like race or ethnicity when their are literally millions of different genes that can code the same outcomes

for instance a person with white skin from russia can and most likely will have the same skin tone as someone from england because of two completely different genes
 
No you see bro, even though both are social constructs and slave mindsets, he agrees with one so it's fine but anyone who believes in the one he doesn't agree with is retarded
i simply said both are constructs but race is a more ridiculous one considering how unscientific it is

literally mentioned nothing about morals, you guys are idiots
 
obviously they have different genes to a degree but this does not separate them into “races” it’s just a nonsensical belief that humans can be divided into categories like race or ethnicity when their are literally millions of different genes that can code the same outcomes

for instance a person with white skin from russia can and most likely will have the same skin tone as someone from england because of two completely different genes
Phenotype differences? Do you seriously think we can't differentiate a group of people who predominantly have lived and interbred with each other for thousands of years as a "race" or "ethnicity" of their own? Just cuz some of them might not fit the general trend? What is this retarded logic lol
 
So everything is a fucking construct to you
most things are which is why it’s stupid to treat them as if they’re actually grounded in reality
 
There's clearly different phenotypes, the way you want to define them or categorize them is up to you but acting like there's no visual differences is disingenuous.
 
Phenotype differences? Do you seriously think we can't differentiate a group of people who predominantly have lived and interbred with each other for thousands of years as a "race" or "ethnicity" of their own? Just cuz some of them might not fit the general trend? What is this retarded logic lol
every individual has a different phenotype lmao

you learn this at 14 yrs old
 
There's clearly different phenotypes, the way you want to define them or categorize them is up to you but acting like there's no visual differences is disingenuous.
every human has a different phenotype smart guy
 
every individual has a different phenotype lmao
And some of them have similar phenotypes to each other, which stems from them being from the same genepool. Guess what Sherlock, transportation was not this good in the past, if you lived in south Tajikistan with 15 other n*****s y'all had to reproduce one way or another and similar traits got passed on, making you all look similar to each other. This debunks nothing.
 
And some of them have similar phenotypes to each other, which stems from them being from the same genepool. Guess what Sherlock, transportation was not this good in the past, if you lived in south Tajikistan with 15 other n*****s y'all had to reproduce one way or another and similar traits got passed on, making you all look similar to each other. This debunks nothing.
exactly ur just using some unscientific classification system by saying people who have similar phenotypes belong to a “race” purely going off of what you see is not how biology works at all

if there were really “races” of humans then we would see the same exact genes evenly spread in certain large groups but completely absent or different in other groups
 
You're telling me there aren't large groups of humans that have extremely similar ones or practically the same?
even if they did it doesn’t make sense to classify them
 
exactly ur just using some unscientific classification system by saying people who have similar phenotypes belong to a “race” purely going off of what you see is not how biology works at all
This n***a when he learns all scientific classifications are made up social constructs that group up similar things based on arbitrary definitions:
 
This n***a when he learns all scientific classifications are made up social constructs that group up similar things based on arbitrary definitions:
you just proved yourself wrong
 
although they may look similar to the naked eye they are all structurally different

doesn’t make sense to classify things that aren’t at all the same thing
 
there is no “black race” or “white race”
just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago
Race is not a social construct. A social construct is a collectively maintained category or thing that is made real by convention or collective agreement. Race doesn't exist from collective agreement. Race is a biological reality that arose from evolutionary pressures long before human societies, languages, or institutional conventions existed. In fact, rather than race being a social construct, it is far more accurate to say that society is a product of race. To say race is a social construct is to invert cause and effect, like saying clay is a sculpture.

We observe racial differences prior to language, prior to politics, prior to ideology, and prior to science. Science does not generate but confirms what observation already tells us. Disciplines like genetics, cranial morphometry, endocrinology, and psychometrics confirm that our intuitive distinctions track biologically meaningful patterns. (1)
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being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you
Race is an important factor in determining if donors of organs, and bone marrow are potential matches for patients. According to leukemia charity Gift of Life, quote, "Ethnicity is the key to a perfect match between donor and recipient." Because of this, it is significantly harder for mixed-race people to find a bone marrow match. The same applies to Peripheral Blood Stem Cell implants & Solid Organ Transplants. If your mixed-race child were in need of one of these transplants, you and your spouse wouldn't even be considered as donors, this is a clear genetic disadvantage.​
all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
Modern beauty standards are eurocentric, so race does play a major role in your looks.​
 
Race is not a social construct. A social construct is a collectively maintained category or thing that is made real by convention or collective agreement. Race doesn't exist from collective agreement. Race is a biological reality that arose from evolutionary pressures long before human societies, languages, or institutional conventions existed. In fact, rather than race being a social construct, it is far more accurate to say that society is a product of race. To say race is a social construct is to invert cause and effect, like saying clay is a sculpture.

We observe racial differences prior to language, prior to politics, prior to ideology, and prior to science. Science does not generate but confirms what observation already tells us. Disciplines like genetics, cranial morphometry, endocrinology, and psychometrics confirm that our intuitive distinctions track biologically meaningful patterns. (1)
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Race is an important factor in determining if donors of organs, and bone marrow are potential matches for patients. According to leukemia charity Gift of Life, quote, "Ethnicity is the key to a perfect match between donor and recipient." Because of this, it is significantly harder for mixed-race people to find a bone marrow match. The same applies to Peripheral Blood Stem Cell implants & Solid Organ Transplants. If your mixed-race child were in need of one of these transplants, you and your spouse wouldn't even be considered as donors, this is a clear genetic disadvantage.

Modern beauty standards are eurocentric, so race does play a major role in your looks.​
Nobody is denying genetic differences amongst different populations, i literally mentioned that in my thread. genetic variation is continuous and overlapping throughout all populations and it’s certainly not lumped into clean cut genetic clusters. perceived “race” is just an observation of traits that were gained or bred into a population dependent on location. also for your study about how babies view different ethnicities that’s entirely dependent on the faces they see around them during development. science does not confirm race based on human anthropology, science confirms that different populations vary genetically based on location, thus they form different languages, technology, and cultures. also your point about perceived “race” affecting your attractiveness is not what i meant by saying that it’s useless to argue the ethnicities of chads.

if you don’t get what my point is i’m saying genetic variation exists but race is simply a sloppy classification system based on surface level factors
 
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there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
blackcel coping
 
there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
i am racist
 
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there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
tldr?
 
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genetic variation exists but race is simply a sloppy classification based on surface level factors
 
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there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
Not true.

If we look up the term "race" on Oxford Dictionary itself, it defines it as: "In biology, race refers to the groups into which some species are subdivided on the basis of phenotypic traits, based on a series of characteristics that are transmitted by genetic inheritance." I note: phenotypic traits. "Phenotypic" means that these are formal characteristics manifested in the physical appearance and constitution of the individual, and that based on these characteristics, different groups can be made within beings of the same species.

Now: according to the definition of "race," it is evident that races exist. Put a group of Nordics next to a group of Zulus, and the difference within the same species is more than evident. And if two Zulus have children, another one is born looking like a Zulu, not a Nordic; and if two Nordics have children, another one is born looking like a Nordic, not a Zulu. So these traits are also hereditary.

You don't need to go that far: put a group of people of any European origin, even without being so extremely northern, and place them next to another group taken from any Central African origin. I don't know if you will see the difference, but I do: this is what is called "race" according to its definition. What else would we call this characteristic that allows us to differentiate people into physical groups, if we needed to name it? So you only need eyes to realize that human races do exist, just as they exist in cattle, sheep, dogs, cats, or any other species in the animal kingdom. It is evident that Chihuahua dogs resemble other Chihuahuas just as Saint Bernards resemble other Saint Bernards, and that you can make groups of Saint Bernards, German Shepherds, Chihuahuas, Cockers, and all the dog breeds you want, but they are all of the same genus and species: Canis familiaris.


Therefore, trying to convince us that human races do not exist, for whatever reason, when it is clearly visible that human beings can be grouped by evidently similar phenotypic traits, is treating us humans like idiots, in the truest sense of the word.

"There's no white or black race" From a taxonomic, that is, scientific, standpoint, "human" is the adjective for a genus: the genus Homo. That is, human beings belong to the genus Homo, and over time not only our species has existed within the Homo genus, sapiens, but many others, such as neanderthalensis, habilis, floresiensis, denisovensis, and many more. According to you, are we all of the same "race"?

Think about it: if, for the sake of political correctness, we consider what merely affects the phenotype (physical appearance and constitution) as non-biological, then biologically there are no races, neither human nor of any other living being. However, if we consider that what merely affects the phenotype is just as biological as what affects the genotype, then we must accept that human races exist exactly as they do in any other species, because it is evident, I repeat, that human beings can be grouped by similar phenotypes, and this is precisely what is called "race."
 
there is no “black race” or “white race”

just a bunch of humans who live in the same land area and share gene mutations from millions of years ago

being “race loyal” is not a thing 😂 literally just a bunch of humans who’s ancestors lived in the same place for a long time and happened to have sex with eachother and pass down gene mutations that made them more adapted to that environment.

“mixing” would just be passing down your gene mutations to a random person who has slightly different genes than you

all the people who debate if certain chads are ethnic or white are wildly idiotic
yeah we're all humans nothing else
 
Not true.

If we look up the term "race" on Oxford Dictionary itself, it defines it as: "In biology, race refers to the groups into which some species are subdivided on the basis of phenotypic traits, based on a series of characteristics that are transmitted by genetic inheritance." I note: phenotypic traits. "Phenotypic" means that these are formal characteristics manifested in the physical appearance and constitution of the individual, and that based on these characteristics, different groups can be made within beings of the same species.

Now: according to the definition of "race," it is evident that races exist. Put a group of Nordics next to a group of Zulus, and the difference within the same species is more than evident. And if two Zulus have children, another one is born looking like a Zulu, not a Nordic; and if two Nordics have children, another one is born looking like a Nordic, not a Zulu. So these traits are also hereditary.

You don't need to go that far: put a group of people of any European origin, even without being so extremely northern, and place them next to another group taken from any Central African origin. I don't know if you will see the difference, but I do: this is what is called "race" according to its definition. What else would we call this characteristic that allows us to differentiate people into physical groups, if we needed to name it? So you only need eyes to realize that human races do exist, just as they exist in cattle, sheep, dogs, cats, or any other species in the animal kingdom. It is evident that Chihuahua dogs resemble other Chihuahuas just as Saint Bernards resemble other Saint Bernards, and that you can make groups of Saint Bernards, German Shepherds, Chihuahuas, Cockers, and all the dog breeds you want, but they are all of the same genus and species: Canis familiaris.


Therefore, trying to convince us that human races do not exist, for whatever reason, when it is clearly visible that human beings can be grouped by evidently similar phenotypic traits, is treating us humans like idiots, in the truest sense of the word.

"There's no white or black race" From a taxonomic, that is, scientific, standpoint, "human" is the adjective for a genus: the genus Homo. That is, human beings belong to the genus Homo, and over time not only our species has existed within the Homo genus, sapiens, but many others, such as neanderthalensis, habilis, floresiensis, denisovensis, and many more. According to you, are we all of the same "race"?

Think about it: if, for the sake of political correctness, we consider what merely affects the phenotype (physical appearance and constitution) as non-biological, then biologically there are no races, neither human nor of any other living being. However, if we consider that what merely affects the phenotype is just as biological as what affects the genotype, then we must accept that human races exist exactly as they do in any other species, because it is evident, I repeat, that human beings can be grouped by similar phenotypes, and this is precisely what is called "race."
Okay dude, I can’t believe i have to keep telling people this but this isn’t a debunk of the nonexistence of race. In my thread and in the replies I literally said i acknowledge that genes and phenotypical differences vary upon region and that ofc people who share ancestors who spread each other’s genes will look similar.

The whole problem with classifying groups of people based on surface level observations like phenotype is that it doesn’t address the actual genetic variation between people. You wouldn’t classify two groups of golden retrievers where one group is typically born with longer snouts and looser fur with a different eye color as a different “race” or “sub species” you would just classify them as having different VERY SLIGHTLY different genes. the same applies for human beings, we barely have genetic differences despite having variations of visual traits.

just read this study : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8604262/


humans are 99.9% genetically similar amongst populations regardless of perceived “race”

in fact if we were even 1% or more genetically different than we’d have as much of a genetic difference as we do with chimps and bonobos
 
I mean I guess yeah pretty much same genes but adapted to the geographic area atmospheric whatever where they were from and that's y not everyone looks the same , I just realised you actually wrote that but I'm still gonna reply
 
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Okay dude, I can’t believe i have to keep telling people this but this isn’t a debunk of the nonexistence of race. In my thread and in the replies I literally said i acknowledge that genes and phenotypical differences vary upon region and that ofc people who share ancestors who spread each other’s genes will look similar.

The whole problem with classifying groups of people based on surface level observations like phenotype is that it doesn’t address the actual genetic variation between people. You wouldn’t classify two groups of golden retrievers where one group is typically born with longer snouts and looser fur with a different eye color as a different “race” or “sub species” you would just classify them as having different VERY SLIGHTLY different genes. the same applies for human beings, we barely have genetic differences despite having variations of visual traits.

just read this study : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8604262/


humans are 99.9% genetically similar amongst populations regardless of perceived “race”

in fact if we were even 1% or more genetically different than we’d have as much of a genetic difference as we do with chimps and bonobos
Humans and chimpanzes share 98.8% of their DNA. It doesn't prove anything. The 0.1% makes a huge difference.
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What else would make one of the races, the white race, creating flourishing societies, suberb architecture that rely on complex mathematics, forcing rocks to think (modern electronics) and be the first race to reach the space and the moon? Why haven't black people even been able to create anything meaningful on their own? Or even more, why haven't they grasped the achievements of white people?

It's simple. We're not the same. Black people are more primitive than white people. White people had proto sumerian writing 40k years before the babylonians.
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What could stop a race from accomplishing anything meaningful apart from their own ineptitude? The chinese and japanese developed almost at pair as white people. When Rome was flourishing, China had their own centralized superstate. The japanese and european feudal period were fairly together in time.
 

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