Discussion Scary truth of “freedom”

[BigDihDiddy]

The more I think about it the more it’s weird

I mean most ppl agree we are our brains since whenever u move any part of ur body ur brain has to give the command, aka you controlling a meat armour of sorts

But it gets weird when u think about all the other stuff the brain controls u have 0 say on. such as heart beats, digestion or any of of the internal acts of ur body that are also controlled by ur brain

Gets even more concerning when it was confirmed in a study the brain makes the decision milliseconds before ur aware of it

Our brains reveal our choices before we’re even aware of them: study

www.unsw.edu.au

So this means before u made up ur mind to click on this thread ur brain already knew u we’re gonna click it

The evidence is that we are a small part of the brain basically just observing but with a very realistic feeling of control. In reality we are just watching a movie but made to think we are controlling this

 

[giga.mia]

this is trippy

 

[Paul Benjamin]

Truth is they don't know how it works, and the brain is most likely a reducing valve.

 

[Penalizer69]

You are your Brain though. Your brain has to send signals to the rest of your body to make you move

 

[BigDihDiddy]

You are your Brain though. Your brain has to send signals to the rest of your body to make you move

Yeah but the signals are sent before u are aware you wanna do something

Any time u think about doing something ur brain already had it planned before u realised it even if by milliseconds

That plus the fact there are certain things u literally can’t control like ur heart beat means the brain is likely giving a simple illusion of control with only the essentials even tho even those aren’t under ur control

Just sitting still u constantly get thoughts u didn’t want it’s like a constant battle with urself which shouldn’t exist if u have control

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

the brain makes the decision milliseconds before ur aware of it

Bro Idk why people keep talking about this like bro that doesn't mean you didn't make the fucking decision. Like obviously electrons fire before you fully formulate an entire thought

 

[Penalizer69]

Yeah but the signals are sent before u are aware you wanna do something

Any time u think about doing something ur brain already had it planned before u realised it

Where do thoughts come from if not other signals?

 

[Nenestar]

It's crazy the more you look at it, and how most of it is just unconscious. (there are even studies where they show some visual shock image to you so fast that you don't even register it consciously, but your body still tenses up, hairs shoot up etc.)

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Where do thoughts come from if not other signals?

So peak

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Bro Idk why people keep talking about this like bro that doesn't mean you didn't make the fucking decision. Like obviously electrons fire before you fully formulate an entire thought

Even then it’s weird to me since the moment u are aware of something theoretically should be the moment that thing would move no?

We are not talking about thoughts but the brain for example plans to move ur arm before u have the idea of grabbing that cup of water which makes 0 sense if it was ur choice

 

[nomi]

The more I think about it the more it’s weird

I mean most ppl agree we are our brains since whenever u move any part of ur body ur brain has to give the command, aka you controlling a meat armour of sorts

But it gets weird when u think about all the other stuff the brain controls u have 0 say on. such as heart beats, digestion or any of of the internal acts of ur body that are also controlled by ur brain

Gets even more concerning when it was confirmed in a study the brain makes the decision milliseconds before ur aware of it

Our brains reveal our choices before we’re even aware of them: study

www.unsw.edu.au

So this means before u made up ur mind to click on this thread ur brain already knew u we’re gonna click it

The evidence is that we are a small part of the brain basically just observing but with a very realistic feeling of control. In reality we are just watching a movie but made to think we are controlling this

you're onto something

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Where do thoughts come from if not other signals?

Though in the studies it says the parts of the brain responsible for moving the individual limbs light up before u are consciously aware of it

That means ur brain will prepare ur hand before u even decide u wanna grab that cup of water for a sip basically

 

[s3amoonbear]

The more I think about it the more it’s weird

I mean most ppl agree we are our brains since whenever u move any part of ur body ur brain has to give the command, aka you controlling a meat armour of sorts

But it gets weird when u think about all the other stuff the brain controls u have 0 say on. such as heart beats, digestion or any of of the internal acts of ur body that are also controlled by ur brain

Gets even more concerning when it was confirmed in a study the brain makes the decision milliseconds before ur aware of it

Our brains reveal our choices before we’re even aware of them: study

www.unsw.edu.au

So this means before u made up ur mind to click on this thread ur brain already knew u we’re gonna click it

The evidence is that we are a small part of the brain basically just observing but with a very realistic feeling of control. In reality we are just watching a movie but made to think we are controlling this

Woah, cool

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Even then it’s weird to me since the moment u are aware of something theoretically should be the moment that thing would move no?

Kinda just thinking Abt how to explain but after revision all I was left with for an answer was
Pattern recognition

 

[Penalizer69]

Though in the studies it says the parts of the brain responsible for moving the individual limbs light up before u are consciously aware of it

That means ur brain will prepare ur hand before u even decide u wanna grab that cup of water for a sip basically

Point stands. Some things are innate right? You have desires that your subconscious is aware of that you aren't.

 

[BigDihDiddy]

Kinda just thinking Abt how to explain but after revision all I was left with for an answer was
Pattern recognition

Yeah tho it seems to me why can we only control certain things and not others?

Like 90% of what ur brain does is completely out of ur control ur only left with the essentials (at least allegedly)

How can you be something and not be able to have full control of urself? Ofc it would be extremely inconvenient to have to consciously beat ur heart while moving but still how come no one can stop it on command if they so wanted for example

 

[Alurmo]

The more I think about it the more it’s weird

I mean most ppl agree we are our brains since whenever u move any part of ur body ur brain has to give the command, aka you controlling a meat armour of sorts

But it gets weird when u think about all the other stuff the brain controls u have 0 say on. such as heart beats, digestion or any of of the internal acts of ur body that are also controlled by ur brain

Gets even more concerning when it was confirmed in a study the brain makes the decision milliseconds before ur aware of it

Our brains reveal our choices before we’re even aware of them: study

www.unsw.edu.au

So this means before u made up ur mind to click on this thread ur brain already knew u we’re gonna click it

The evidence is that we are a small part of the brain basically just observing but with a very realistic feeling of control. In reality we are just watching a movie but made to think we are controlling this

yeah free will isnt real
that shouldve been easily established a long time ago

we dont ever have original actions, we first do the action, and firslty after we aknowledged it came from ourselves is when we say "i" did it when it was actually a combination of internal proccesses, and drives that made the condition possible

 

[Alurmo]

Truth is they don't know how it works, and the brain is most likely a reducing valve.

how do you know saar

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

How can you be something and not be able to have full control of urself? Ofc it would be extremely inconvenient to have to consciously beat ur heart while moving but still how come no one can stop it on command if they so wanted for example

From an evolutionary standpoint this would probably result in like every species not being able to survive.
Kinda just automating the time consuming, repetitive stuff, yk kinda like ai

Humans always tryna replicate nature, just be raw primal theory

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

yeah free will isnt real
that shouldve been easily established a long time ago

we dont ever have original actions, we first do the action, and firslty after we aknowledged it came from ourselves is when we say "i" did it when it was actually a combination of internal proccesses, and drives that made the condition possible

"Yeah bro you didn't do it.... You did"

 

[Alurmo]

From an evolutionary standpoint this would probably result in like every species not being able to survive.
Kinda just automating the time consuming, repetitive stuff, yk kinda like ai

Humans always tryna replicate nature, just be raw primal theory

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i wouldnt say humans try to replicate nature they are just trying ot return to a state they once was, in this society where the people are unkowing of their origins which is animialistic at heart, they eventually dont recognize that they have animalistic drives and instincts, whihc results in horrible misunderstandings in representation and humans cant handle that

 

[eternal love]

The more I think about it the more it’s weird

I mean most ppl agree we are our brains since whenever u move any part of ur body ur brain has to give the command, aka you controlling a meat armour of sorts

But it gets weird when u think about all the other stuff the brain controls u have 0 say on. such as heart beats, digestion or any of of the internal acts of ur body that are also controlled by ur brain

Gets even more concerning when it was confirmed in a study the brain makes the decision milliseconds before ur aware of it

Our brains reveal our choices before we’re even aware of them: study

www.unsw.edu.au

So this means before u made up ur mind to click on this thread ur brain already knew u we’re gonna click it

The evidence is that we are a small part of the brain basically just observing but with a very realistic feeling of control. In reality we are just watching a movie but made to think we are controlling this

it doesn't deny freedom btw since freedom is just an absence of enforcement

 

[Alurmo]

"Yeah bro you didn't do it.... You did"

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more like "you didnt do it, your inner workings of drives and instincts connecting with eacother did it, and you acknowledged that as yourself doing the action"

 

[Alurmo]

it doesn't deny freedom btw since freedom is just an absence of enforcement

sternir avi based yaki

 

[Penalizer69]

Conscious and subconscious aren't neccasarily different things. It's like yin and yang, in yin there is yang and vice versa. It doesnt mean it's not "you"

Subconscious is just beyond our understanding and I don't see many good ways to explore it.

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

more like "you didnt do it, your inner workings of drives and instincts connecting with eacother did it, and you acknowledged that as yourself doing the action because you did the action*

Fixed it

 

[Vergil444]

The more I think about it the more it’s weird

I mean most ppl agree we are our brains since whenever u move any part of ur body ur brain has to give the command, aka you controlling a meat armour of sorts

But it gets weird when u think about all the other stuff the brain controls u have 0 say on. such as heart beats, digestion or any of of the internal acts of ur body that are also controlled by ur brain

Gets even more concerning when it was confirmed in a study the brain makes the decision milliseconds before ur aware of it

Our brains reveal our choices before we’re even aware of them: study

www.unsw.edu.au

So this means before u made up ur mind to click on this thread ur brain already knew u we’re gonna click it

The evidence is that we are a small part of the brain basically just observing but with a very realistic feeling of control. In reality we are just watching a movie but made to think we are controlling this

The greatest proof that God exists and that we are merely souls in bodies.

 

[Paul Benjamin]

how do you know saar

It just feels like it is bro. A reducing valve. Makes sense.

 

[Alurmo]

Conscious and subconscious aren't neccasarily different things. It's like yin and yang, in yin there is yang and vice versa. It doesnt mean it's not "you"

Subconscious is just beyond our understanding and I don't see many good ways to explore it.

i wouldnt say subconsciousness is beyond our understanding in the normal way, its beyond us bc of it being everchanging and unfixed, ultimately my understanding of the subconsious is that its a void of everchanging drives/instincts, alongside competing forces and desires/the passions, and all those things are competing for the ultimate dominance over the subject which is you, the subconsiouss in that manner isnt organized and neither repressed

and consiousness would thus just be the retrospective everchanging construction of narrative of what your subconsious has decided to be the dominant drive/force/desire/etc....

 

[Nenestar]

Subconscious is just beyond our understanding and I don't see many good ways to explore it.

There are some good ways to understand what it does though. Not fully understanding, but you can become aware how it effect your life, and others.

This being probably the most classic one that talks about it (system 1, in the book). And yeah, the guy won Nobel for his work on this subject. I'd recommend it, if you wanna learn more, tbh

 

[2Beau]

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[2Beau]

Inb4 gettingdnr’d

 

[Pento]

The more I think about it the more it’s weird

I mean most ppl agree we are our brains since whenever u move any part of ur body ur brain has to give the command, aka you controlling a meat armour of sorts

But it gets weird when u think about all the other stuff the brain controls u have 0 say on. such as heart beats, digestion or any of of the internal acts of ur body that are also controlled by ur brain

Gets even more concerning when it was confirmed in a study the brain makes the decision milliseconds before ur aware of it

Our brains reveal our choices before we’re even aware of them: study

www.unsw.edu.au

So this means before u made up ur mind to click on this thread ur brain already knew u we’re gonna click it

The evidence is that we are a small part of the brain basically just observing but with a very realistic feeling of control. In reality we are just watching a movie but made to think we are controlling this

Water, my guess is everything is subconscious and the brain does everything it can to survive no matter what