Serious The only way to reverse the decline of birthrates is to take away women's rights

[Deleted Member 118059]

This is water for most, but some need it repeated to them.


When observing the conditions in countries with high birth rates (like 5.2 for nigeria) we see that they are in a sweet spot in terms of demographics, caused by an assymetry between technology and values.

Nigerians have high levels of religiosity, hold patriarchal values, and don't hold nearly as much value to the career of a woman, but at the same time have improved healthcare, and tech, which leads to signficantly lower child mortality (which means that these 5.2 kids that are born would actually survive until adulthood) Old people also just died earlier, so they wouldn't put strain on the economy by using tax dollars despite no longer contributing


They are in the sweet spot that america and europe were in during the 1900s, and in order to replicate their high birth rates, stabilize the usage of pensions, we need to get rid of old people, women's rights, restore religion and patriarchal values, crush indivdualistic values, and replace them with honor shame policies.


Giving women money to have kids does not solve this problem, as it fails to recreate the enviornment like in nigeria which makes people have kids in the first place.


These solutions are somewhat unethical, but unfortunately the only way

 

[Ghoultune]

We don't need more people

 

[knightmaxxer]

trve...

 

[chudlite67]

This is water for most, but some need it repeated to them.


When observing the conditions in countries with high birth rates (like 5.2 for nigeria) we see that they are in a sweet spot in terms of demographics, caused by an assymetry between technology and values.

Nigerians have high levels of religiosity, hold patriarchal values, and don't hold nearly as much value to the career of a woman, but at the same time have improved healthcare, and tech, which leads to signficantly lower child mortality (which means that these 5.2 kids that are born would actually survive until adulthood) Old people also just died earlier, so they wouldn't put strain on the economy by using tax dollars despite no longer contributing


They are in the sweet spot that america and europe were in during the 1900s, and in order to replicate their high birth rates, stabilize the usage of pensions, we need to get rid of old people, women's rights, restore religion and patriarchal values, crush indivdualistic values, and replace them with honor shame policies.


Giving women money to have kids does not solve this problem, as it fails to recreate the enviornment like in nigeria which makes people have kids in the first place.


These solutions are somewhat unethical, but unfortunately the only way

people are still having kids, enough of them to replace us all in due time
i dont understand the issue

 

[knightmaxxer]

We don't need more people

ye but we do need replacement level birthrates

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

people are still having kids, enough of them to replace us all in due time
i dont understand the issue

Almost the entire firstworld has a birthrate that is below the replacement rate, wdym

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

We don't need more people

Yes we do, a lack of people (young people in specific) will lead to the collapse of society

 

[scotfield]

This is water for most, but some need it repeated to them.


When observing the conditions in countries with high birth rates (like 5.2 for nigeria) we see that they are in a sweet spot in terms of demographics, caused by an assymetry between technology and values.

Nigerians have high levels of religiosity, hold patriarchal values, and don't hold nearly as much value to the career of a woman, but at the same time have improved healthcare, and tech, which leads to signficantly lower child mortality (which means that these 5.2 kids that are born would actually survive until adulthood) Old people also just died earlier, so they wouldn't put strain on the economy by using tax dollars despite no longer contributing


They are in the sweet spot that america and europe were in during the 1900s, and in order to replicate their high birth rates, stabilize the usage of pensions, we need to get rid of old people, women's rights, restore religion and patriarchal values, crush indivdualistic values, and replace them with honor shame policies.


Giving women money to have kids does not solve this problem, as it fails to recreate the enviornment like in nigeria which makes people have kids in the first place.


These solutions are somewhat unethical, but unfortunately the only way

We don't need more ghoultune or OP

 

[chudlite67]

Almost the entire firstworld has a birthrate that is below the replacement rate, wdym

oh wait nevermind
yeah
i mean yeah for me having kids lowkenuinely does sound like slavery so i aint doing allat but maybe i will change my mind if i get older

 

[scotfield]

people are still having kids, enough of them to replace us all in due time
i dont understand the issue

Not really , check the birthrate stats in europe
That's why the government is okay with immigraton

 

[fawngirl]

ok we just need to get the poverty rates higher, poor people love having kids

 

[Luxe]

This is water for most, but some need it repeated to them.


When observing the conditions in countries with high birth rates (like 5.2 for nigeria) we see that they are in a sweet spot in terms of demographics, caused by an assymetry between technology and values.

Nigerians have high levels of religiosity, hold patriarchal values, and don't hold nearly as much value to the career of a woman, but at the same time have improved healthcare, and tech, which leads to signficantly lower child mortality (which means that these 5.2 kids that are born would actually survive until adulthood) Old people also just died earlier, so they wouldn't put strain on the economy by using tax dollars despite no longer contributing


They are in the sweet spot that america and europe were in during the 1900s, and in order to replicate their high birth rates, stabilize the usage of pensions, we need to get rid of old people, women's rights, restore religion and patriarchal values, crush indivdualistic values, and replace them with honor shame policies.


Giving women money to have kids does not solve this problem, as it fails to recreate the enviornment like in nigeria which makes people have kids in the first place.


These solutions are somewhat unethical, but unfortunately the only way

Not true

Brain washing also works

 

[Ghoultune]

Yes we do, a lack of people (young people in specific) will lead to the collapse of society

Ok That's the rich peoples fault for being fat and greedy

 

[Luxe]

ok we just need to get the poverty rates higher, poor people love having kids

finally something valid

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

oh wait nevermind
yeah
i mean yeah for me having kids lowkenuinely does sound like slavery so i aint doing allat but maybe i will change my mind if i get older

Nah i get what you mean


My whole point in posting this, is that as society becomes more progressive people naturally have less kids

It's not some unnatural dip, it's just how society evolves

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

Ok That's the rich peoples fault for being fat and greedy

how does this have anything to do with rich people, young workers are needed to support the general economy (as well as to fund the pensions for the aging population)

 

[knightmaxxer]

oh wait nevermind
yeah
i mean yeah for me having kids lowkenuinely does sound like slavery so i aint doing allat but maybe i will change my mind if i get older

ye but if you don't then u end up all sad n alone when your really really old

 

[Ghoultune]

how does this have anything to do with rich people, young workers are needed to support the general economy (as well as to fund the pensions for the aging population)

Because rich people are killing everyone.

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

ok we just need to get the poverty rates higher, poor people love having kids

Im sure theyll let us take all their money without a fight

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

Because rich people are killing everyone.

okay

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

Not true

Brain washing also works

elaborate

 

[chudlite67]

ye but if you don't then u end up all sad n alone when your really really old

i dont plan to get really really old
sounds like slavery for all the people around me if there are any
just give me the frickin needle im not allowing that

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

We don't need more ghoultune or OP

okay

 

[knightmaxxer]

i dont plan to get really really old
sounds like slavery for all the people around me if there are any
just give me the frickin needle im not allowing that

eh i can see why you don't wanna, but i think itd be interesting to live super long cus like, what if they invent a way to get young again? or like, grapes the size of apples

 

[icnone]

When observing the conditions in countries with high birth rates (like 5.2 for nigeria) we see that they are in a sweet spot in terms of demographics, caused by an assymetry between technology and values.

I thought nigeria is in a pretty bad civil war right now

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

I thought nigeria is in a pretty bad civil war right now

Most of the sub sahara and middle east is plagued by ethnic conflicts and instability yeah

 

[Luxe]

elaborate

With enough propaganda and “incentives” foids would be forced to give birth with the illusion of freedom to choose

Its all about the culture and environment

 

[Deleted Member 118059]

With enough propaganda and “incentives” foids would be forced to give birth with the illusion of freedom to choose

Its all about the culture and environment

true, which is why i used nigeria as an example

Because having kids is so central to their life, not pursuing family life to them is equivalent to not breathing, as both are things meant to be done during life

 

[Luxe]

true, which is why i used nigeria as an example

Because having kids is so central to their life, not pursuing family life to them is equivalent to not breathing, as both are things meant to be done during life

We need to make sure it’s a race that has favorable genetics