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Discussion The true racepill is cultural popularity (ETHNICS GTFIH)

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In America, it is pretty obvious that the list of races, ordered by easiest to hardest in dating, goes like this:

1. White
2. Black and Latino (very close)
3. East Asian
4. South Asian

People on the forums try to explain this a few ways, but they never really talk about the real reason.

EXPLANATION 1: We are biologically hardwired to prefer European facial features

This is wrong for a few reasons. Firstly, it does not make sense that blacks and East Asians are above South Asians, as South Asian facial features are much more similar to that of Europeans. Blacks and East Asians have completely different maxilla shapes (not to be confused with recession), and East Asians tend to have monolids, which no Europeans have, and of course, blacks tend to have much darker skin than South Asians. We can also see that the preference for facial features in common with Europeans e.g. double eyelids, did not exist prior to cultural mixing despite the fact that some East Asians naturally have them. In most Asian societies, there was simply a preference for lighter skin due to it being associated with a noble background with no need for outdoor labor. Finally, if the preference for European facial features was truly some eternal biological truth, then other races would not have evolved in the first place. For a race to exist, there must have been a consistent preference for its features in a specific region due to it being better adapted to the local conditions.

EXPLANATION 2: Height and frame

If this were the real reason, then blacks should have it the easiest, but they clearly do not. Also, a tall jacked Asian guy still has it harder than an average white guy when you hold other factors constant.

TRUTH: CULTURAL POPULARITY

It is obvious that the ranking of cultural popularity is:

1. White: most popular singers, actors, and the center of mainstream culture in general.
2. Black and Latino (closely tied): They both have well-established cultures in the US that are are pretty mainstream e.g. Rap music.
3. East Asian: Not popular in the mainstream. Mostly limited to emo/alt subcultures, Kpop, and Anime, which are pretty small niches.
4. South Asian: No positive representation at all, along with a bunch of bad stereotypes.

Notice how this ranking is the exact same as the ease in dating. This is because our perception of attractiveness is founded in biology and later shaped by culture. It is clear that culture has a powerful influence and can even go against biology in some cases. For example, South Koreans tend to prefer narrow jaws on men, which is a recent phenomenon due to Kpop. You even have men shaving their jaws and cheekbones to appeal to this standard, which makes no sense from a biological perspective (wider jaws are associated with stronger bite force and higher T regardless of race).
 
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okay nice read
i luv south asians
im proud to be one

~remember that aside any bad stuff, if youre beautiful, it doesn't matter where you're from!
 
Finally, if the preference for European facial features was truly some eternal biological truth, then other races would not have evolved in the first place. For a race to exist, there must have been a consistent preference for its features in a specific region due to it being better adapted to the local conditions.
Good thread but i disagree with this argument. It's only because there were a scarcity of white people in areas of different races.

Notice how Arabs, Mediterraneans, and Slavs have been getting lighter over time (they were considerably dark 2000 years ago). If anything, Slavs should've actually gotten darker since they were brutally enslaved by Arabs
 
I mostly agree - more so with the cultural aspects. But stuff like this:
People on the forums try to explain this a few ways, but they never really talk about the real reason.

EXPLANATION 1: We are biologically hardwired to prefer European facial features
Isn't well established & it's hard to infer innate attraction vs developed. It also just seems logically absent that races such as mainland-Africans, who had been isolated from the civilized world for quite a time, would favor a race only recently introduced to their knowledge

EXPLANATION 2: Height and frame

If this were the real reason, then blacks should have it the easiest, but they clearly do not. Also, a tall jacked Asian guy still has it harder than an average white guy when you hold other factors constant.
Data on height-and-frame doesn't show distinctive differences between races, all there's socioeconomically driven nutritional discrepancies to consider also.

Europe's cultural domination & gentrification set the stage for the world to favor the "high class" face, but you can see the complete opposite in truly isolated areas that hadn't experienced this history.

I think cultures far more relevant for attraction than race is
 
I mostly agree - more so with the cultural aspects. But stuff like this:

Isn't well established & it's hard to infer innate attraction vs developed. It also just seems logically absent that races such as mainland-Africans, who had been isolated from the civilized world for quite a time, would favor a race only recently introduced to their knowledge


Data on height-and-frame doesn't show distinctive differences between races, all there's socioeconomically driven nutritional discrepancies to consider also.

Europe's cultural domination & gentrification set the stage for the world to favor the "high class" face, but you can see the complete opposite in truly isolated areas that hadn't experienced this history.

I think cultures far more relevant for attraction than race is
Yea im saying that the two explanations are wrong, and that culture is the main reason
 
Yea im saying that the two explanations are wrong, and that culture is the main reason
Lmao mb, didn't read the first one correctly. Just this then:
If this were the real reason, then blacks should have it the easiest, but they clearly do not. Also, a tall jacked Asian guy still has it harder than an average white guy when you hold other factors constant.
Data on height-and-frame doesn't show distinctive differences between races, all there's socioeconomically driven nutritional discrepancies to consider also.
It's just too lacking to draw evidence-based conclusions; most reasoning for inherent "benefits" is rooted purely in rumor. And it's proving increasingly harder to attribute characteristics to races since there's lots of mixed children nowadays; it's harder to define someone's genes purely based off an agreed "race" when genetic diversity has grown so large
 
In America, it is pretty obvious that the list of races, ordered by easiest to hardest in dating, goes like this:

1. White
2. Black and Latino (very close)
3. East Asian
4. South Asian

People on the forums try to explain this a few ways, but they never really talk about the real reason.

EXPLANATION 1: We are biologically hardwired to prefer European facial features

This is wrong for a few reasons. Firstly, it does not make sense that blacks and East Asians are above South Asians, as South Asian facial features are much more similar to that of Europeans. Blacks and East Asians have completely different maxilla shapes (not to be confused with recession), and East Asians tend to have monolids, which no Europeans have, and of course, blacks tend to have much darker skin than South Asians. We can also see that the preference for facial features in common with Europeans e.g. double eyelids, did not exist prior to cultural mixing despite the fact that some East Asians naturally have them. In most Asian societies, there was simply a preference for lighter skin due to it being associated with a noble background with no need for outdoor labor. Finally, if the preference for European facial features was truly some eternal biological truth, then other races would not have evolved in the first place. For a race to exist, there must have been a consistent preference for its features in a specific region due to it being better adapted to the local conditions.

EXPLANATION 2: Height and frame

If this were the real reason, then blacks should have it the easiest, but they clearly do not. Also, a tall jacked Asian guy still has it harder than an average white guy when you hold other factors constant.

TRUTH: CULTURAL POPULARITY

It is obvious that the ranking of cultural popularity is:

1. White: most popular singers, actors, and the center of mainstream culture in general.
2. Black and Latino (closely tied): They both have well-established cultures in the US that are are pretty mainstream e.g. Rap music.
3. East Asian: Not popular in the mainstream. Mostly limited to emo/alt subcultures, Kpop, and Anime, which are pretty small niches.
4. South Asian: No positive representation at all, along with a bunch of bad stereotypes.

Notice how this ranking is the exact same as the ease in dating. This is because our perception of attractiveness is founded in biology and later shaped by culture. It is clear that culture has a powerful influence and can even go against biology in some cases. For example, South Koreans tend to prefer narrow jaws on men, which is a recent phenomenon due to Kpop. You even have men shaving their jaws and cheekbones to appeal to this standard, which makes no sense from a biological perspective (wider jaws are associated with stronger bite force and higher T regardless of race).
water water water, im drowning in water
 
Lmao mb, didn't read the first one correctly. Just this then:


It's just too lacking to draw evidence-based conclusions; most reasoning for inherent "benefits" is rooted purely in rumor. And it's proving increasingly harder to attribute characteristics to races since there's lots of mixed children nowadays; it's harder to define someone's genes purely based off an agreed "race" when genetic diversity has grown so large
Yea the argument I made about frame is exaggerated, but I think it would be clear that even if all races had the same heights and frame, we would still observe the same ranking in dating. And for race you're right, that's why I only put broad categories that people generally recognize. Some races like Arab/MENA were left out because there is not a really a consensus on where they stand in dating.
 

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