Method Thumb pulling guide for flat maxilla

[Razul.dub]

Alr so ik yall gona hate on me for this but i think thumbpulling (which im going to refer as TB) works. ill explain to you what i know about it. The method was developed by Jordan Wood, he already deleted the videos about the TB routine, but i took mental notes so all good
​

disclaimers: sorry for bad english, and also id like to let you know that im not formed at all in this area, this is superficial knowledge only, im not a doctor or anything, so i encourage you to make your own research.
Also im doing this in my school and if leave invognito mode my progress will be deleted so sorry if the argumetns arent as elaborated.


What is THUMBPULLING?

Thumbpulling is a Looksmaxxing technique for improving your forward growth, maxilla and other areas. Basically you will place your thumbs in your palate and pull sideways. Ill explain better later on.

So my argument starts with the MSE device (Maxillary skeletal expander), which is a device that will expand your maxilla, as the name says. The way it works, is by putting a device in the roof of your mouth (the palate) attached to your mollars and premollars, then u have to put a tiny screw into the device and pull it, that is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open), Isaacson & Ingram (1964, Angle Orthodontist), Lee et al. (2016, Korean Journal of Orthodontics) And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force (2-4 pounds(1kg-1.8kg) after some hours, 0.1-1 pound(0.0445kg, 0.5kg) a day or two after) , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw).

Heres a graphic example because my explanation skills are chopped :
You wear this device for 3-6 months to let your bones stabilize, and your palate will be 5-10 milimeters wider. Also u activate it 2 times a day.


So, where does TB take a part in here?

Thumbpulling, as the MSE, its about applying presure on specific points in your palate to widen your maxilla. The principles are the same, the difference are the means.
As i said before, the MSE has about 10-20 pounds of pressure applied on the roof of your mouth when activated, which means thats about enough force to move the soft part of the palate. Well, a single thumb, on an average male , can push 15-25 pounds (6.8kg -11.3kg) or also 30-50 pounds total (13.6–22.7 kilograms)), (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/1/194)
Which is clearly more than enough to move your maxilla. Of course, u cant be using all of your force all the time because you are gonna get tired, but the change is possible, even if u can only use your thumbs, thats what im trying to proof.

The counter, of course, is that it doesnt have any passive retention to keep the tissue expanded. HOWEVER, we do have mewing, which is not near to the MSE resting force, but is the most similar thing i could think about. When mewing the tongue applys 1 pound of force or 0.5 kg.
​

Routine​

This routine must be done 6-9 times a day and consists in 3 excercises. U must make sure to not press against the teeth.

1st Excercice:
You are gonna place your both of your thumbs above your third mollar (if u have one), push against the wall sideways and slightly upward, then draw your finger across the walls of the SOFT palate all the way to your canine tooths, there you must stop. The excercise must be 10 seconds long and you must repeat 3 times. (sorry for the bad drawing) APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE

2nd excercise:
You are going to push in 3 different points of your soft palate, its going to be only a sideways pressure on the walls of the palate. The first point is above ur third molar (if u have one) and you are going to hold that for 15 seconds. Second point is in the middle part of your soft palate,, your gonna hold for 10 seconds. Third point is in the beggining of the hard pallate, before the canine, ur gonna hold for 7 seconds.
APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE

3rd excercise: regular mewing 24/7

If u cant fit both thumbs
Heres a video i made cuz its hard to explain without a graphic example. also sorry for being chopped




Downsides and pros

*PROS:
*Its a softmax, if u do it well u wont have any problem neither with symetry or malocclusion.
*U wont have to spend anything but time
*Overtime u will be having results
*Theres no diastema risk (having a gap between ur front teeth)

*CONS:
*It's WAY slower than MSE
*It takes patience and being consistant
*U can lose progress quickly if u arent consistant (if i remember well, if u dont do it for 1 week, it equals to a 14 day progression lose)
*If done wrong is gonna mess you up
*If ur sutures are closed im sorry but u wont change anything without MSE
My experience:

After a couple of weeks i noticed my fingers had more room for my thumbs, i also noticed a better e-rickett line but that was probably due to chin tucks lol. Also my negative canthal tilt improved like 1 degree or so, but i didnt track any of that.

Conclusion:

Thumbpulling is a good softmax to do if you can't or don't wanna buy a MSE, or don't wanna get that weird gap between your teeth. However, it is a method that can and will take a lot of time to get the results wanted, and its not gonna do magic but it does work and will improve your face.
Of course, its not better than getting a maxillary expander, which is a safer and overall better method to expand your palate.

Anyways i thank you for reading this and have a good one. If u have any questions ill try to answer.

​

 

[Blackpillirony]

Alr so ik yall gona hate on me for this but i think thumbpulling (which im going to refer as TB) works. ill explain to you what i know about it. The method was developed by Jordan Wood, he already deleted the videos about the TB routine, but i took mental notes so all good
​

disclaimers: sorry for bad english, and also id like to let you know that im not formed at all in this area, this is superficial knowledge only, im not a doctor or anything, so i encourage you to make your own research.
Also im doing this in my school and if leave invognito mode my progress will be deleted so sorry if the argumetns arent as elaborated.


What is THUMBPULLING?

Thumbpulling is a Looksmaxxing technique for improving your forward growth, maxilla and other areas. Basically you will place your thumbs in your palate and pull sideways. Ill explain better later on.

So my argument starts with the MSE device (Maxillary skeletal expander), which is a device that will expand your maxilla, as the name says. The way it works, is by putting a device in the roof of your mouth (the palate) attached to your mollars and premollars, then u have to put a tiny screw into the device and pull it, that is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open), Isaacson & Ingram (1964, Angle Orthodontist), Lee et al. (2016, Korean Journal of Orthodontics) And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw).

Heres a graphic example because my explanation skills are chopped :
You wear this device for 3-6 months to let your bones stabilize, and your palate will be 5-10 milimeters wider. Also u activate it 2 times a day.


So, where does TB take a part in here?

Thumbpulling, as the MSE, its about applying presure on specific points in your palate to widen your maxilla. The principles are the same, the difference are the means.
As i said before, the MSE has about 10-20 pounds of pressure applied on the roof of your mouth when activated, which means thats about enough force to move the soft part of the palate. Well, a single thumb, on an average male , can push 15-25 pounds (6.8kg -11.3kg) or also 30-50 pounds total (13.6–22.7 kilograms)), (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/1/194)
Which is clearly more than enough to move your maxilla. Of course, u cant be using all of your force all the time because you are gonna get tired, but the change is possible, even if u can only use your thumbs, thats what im trying to proof.

The counter, of course, is that it doesnt have any passive retention to keep the tissue expanded. Thats why u have to do it multiple times a day.

​

Routine​

This routine must be done 6-9 times a day and consists in 2 excercises. U must make sure to not press against the teeth.

1st Excercice:
You are gonna place your both of your thumbs above your third mollar (if u have one), push against the wall sideways and slightly upward, then draw your finger across the walls of the SOFT palate all the way to your canine tooths, there you must stop. The excercise must be 10 seconds long and you must repeat 3 times. (sorry for the bad drawing)


View attachment 210458


2nd excercise:
You are going to push in 3 different points of your soft palate, its going to be only a sideways pressure on the walls of the palate. The first point is above ur third molar (if u have one) and you are going to hold that for 15 seconds. Second point is in the middle part of your soft palate,, your gonna hold for 10 seconds. Third point is in the beggining of the hard pallate, before the canine, ur gonna hold for 7 seconds.


View attachment 210461



My experience:

After a couple of weeks i noticed my fingers had more room for my thumbs, i also noticed a better e-rickett line but that was probably dude to chin tucks lol. Also my negative canthal tilt improved like 1 degree or so, but i didnt track any of that.

Conclusion:

TB works, but its not better than getting a MSE. I dont have time, ill be editing this post maybe tomorrow thanks for reading

​

DNR grey post

 

[homiespidy]

Alr so ik yall gona hate on me for this but i think thumbpulling (which im going to refer as TB) works. ill explain to you what i know about it. The method was developed by Jordan Wood, he already deleted the videos about the TB routine, but i took mental notes so all good
​

disclaimers: sorry for bad english, and also id like to let you know that im not formed at all in this area, this is superficial knowledge only, im not a doctor or anything, so i encourage you to make your own research.
Also im doing this in my school and if leave invognito mode my progress will be deleted so sorry if the argumetns arent as elaborated.


What is THUMBPULLING?

Thumbpulling is a Looksmaxxing technique for improving your forward growth, maxilla and other areas. Basically you will place your thumbs in your palate and pull sideways. Ill explain better later on.

So my argument starts with the MSE device (Maxillary skeletal expander), which is a device that will expand your maxilla, as the name says. The way it works, is by putting a device in the roof of your mouth (the palate) attached to your mollars and premollars, then u have to put a tiny screw into the device and pull it, that is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open), Isaacson & Ingram (1964, Angle Orthodontist), Lee et al. (2016, Korean Journal of Orthodontics) And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw).

Heres a graphic example because my explanation skills are chopped :
You wear this device for 3-6 months to let your bones stabilize, and your palate will be 5-10 milimeters wider. Also u activate it 2 times a day.


So, where does TB take a part in here?

Thumbpulling, as the MSE, its about applying presure on specific points in your palate to widen your maxilla. The principles are the same, the difference are the means.
As i said before, the MSE has about 10-20 pounds of pressure applied on the roof of your mouth when activated, which means thats about enough force to move the soft part of the palate. Well, a single thumb, on an average male , can push 15-25 pounds (6.8kg -11.3kg) or also 30-50 pounds total (13.6–22.7 kilograms)), (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/1/194)
Which is clearly more than enough to move your maxilla. Of course, u cant be using all of your force all the time because you are gonna get tired, but the change is possible, even if u can only use your thumbs, thats what im trying to proof.

The counter, of course, is that it doesnt have any passive retention to keep the tissue expanded. Thats why u have to do it multiple times a day.

​

Routine​

This routine must be done 6-9 times a day and consists in 2 excercises. U must make sure to not press against the teeth.

1st Excercice:
You are gonna place your both of your thumbs above your third mollar (if u have one), push against the wall sideways and slightly upward, then draw your finger across the walls of the SOFT palate all the way to your canine tooths, there you must stop. The excercise must be 10 seconds long and you must repeat 3 times. (sorry for the bad drawing)


View attachment 210458


2nd excercise:
You are going to push in 3 different points of your soft palate, its going to be only a sideways pressure on the walls of the palate. The first point is above ur third molar (if u have one) and you are going to hold that for 15 seconds. Second point is in the middle part of your soft palate,, your gonna hold for 10 seconds. Third point is in the beggining of the hard pallate, before the canine, ur gonna hold for 7 seconds.


View attachment 210461



My experience:

After a couple of weeks i noticed my fingers had more room for my thumbs, i also noticed a better e-rickett line but that was probably dude to chin tucks lol. Also my negative canthal tilt improved like 1 degree or so, but i didnt track any of that.

Conclusion:

TB works, but its not better than getting a MSE. I dont have time, ill be editing this post maybe tomorrow thanks for reading

​

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[muscipla]

good thread, very important to not press against the teeth like you said

 

[Razul.dub]

DNR grey post

bro can u read the post at least

 

[joestar]

DNR jesterpatel goon

 

[truetard]

What method should I use to make my maxilla flater

 

[over0]

It'd only work if you could apply that amount of force 24/7 for multiple weeks/months like a palate expander, not to mention maintaing max force consistenly. Good luck with that bud

 

[Omega]

Alr so ik yall gona hate on me for this but i think thumbpulling (which im going to refer as TB) works. ill explain to you what i know about it. The method was developed by Jordan Wood, he already deleted the videos about the TB routine, but i took mental notes so all good
​

disclaimers: sorry for bad english, and also id like to let you know that im not formed at all in this area, this is superficial knowledge only, im not a doctor or anything, so i encourage you to make your own research.
Also im doing this in my school and if leave invognito mode my progress will be deleted so sorry if the argumetns arent as elaborated.


What is THUMBPULLING?

Thumbpulling is a Looksmaxxing technique for improving your forward growth, maxilla and other areas. Basically you will place your thumbs in your palate and pull sideways. Ill explain better later on.

So my argument starts with the MSE device (Maxillary skeletal expander), which is a device that will expand your maxilla, as the name says. The way it works, is by putting a device in the roof of your mouth (the palate) attached to your mollars and premollars, then u have to put a tiny screw into the device and pull it, that is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open), Isaacson & Ingram (1964, Angle Orthodontist), Lee et al. (2016, Korean Journal of Orthodontics) And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw).

Heres a graphic example because my explanation skills are chopped :
You wear this device for 3-6 months to let your bones stabilize, and your palate will be 5-10 milimeters wider. Also u activate it 2 times a day.


So, where does TB take a part in here?

Thumbpulling, as the MSE, its about applying presure on specific points in your palate to widen your maxilla. The principles are the same, the difference are the means.
As i said before, the MSE has about 10-20 pounds of pressure applied on the roof of your mouth when activated, which means thats about enough force to move the soft part of the palate. Well, a single thumb, on an average male , can push 15-25 pounds (6.8kg -11.3kg) or also 30-50 pounds total (13.6–22.7 kilograms)), (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/1/194)
Which is clearly more than enough to move your maxilla. Of course, u cant be using all of your force all the time because you are gonna get tired, but the change is possible, even if u can only use your thumbs, thats what im trying to proof.

The counter, of course, is that it doesnt have any passive retention to keep the tissue expanded. Thats why u have to do it multiple times a day.

​

Routine​

This routine must be done 6-9 times a day and consists in 2 excercises. U must make sure to not press against the teeth.

1st Excercice:
You are gonna place your both of your thumbs above your third mollar (if u have one), push against the wall sideways and slightly upward, then draw your finger across the walls of the SOFT palate all the way to your canine tooths, there you must stop. The excercise must be 10 seconds long and you must repeat 3 times. (sorry for the bad drawing) APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE


View attachment 210458


2nd excercise:
You are going to push in 3 different points of your soft palate, its going to be only a sideways pressure on the walls of the palate. The first point is above ur third molar (if u have one) and you are going to hold that for 15 seconds. Second point is in the middle part of your soft palate,, your gonna hold for 10 seconds. Third point is in the beggining of the hard pallate, before the canine, ur gonna hold for 7 seconds.
APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE

View attachment 210461


Downsides and pros

*PROS:
*Its a softmax, if u do it well u wont have any problem neither with symetry or malocclusion.
*U wont have to spend anything but time
*Overtime u will be having results
*Theres no diastema risk (having a gap between ur front teeth)

*CONS:
*It's WAY slower than MSE
*It takes patience and being consistant
*U can lose progress quickly if u arent consistant (if i remember well, if u dont do it for 1 week, it equals to a 14 day progression lose)
*If done wrong is gonna mess you up
*If ur sutures are closed im sorry but u wont change anything without MSE
My experience:

After a couple of weeks i noticed my fingers had more room for my thumbs, i also noticed a better e-rickett line but that was probably dude to chin tucks lol. Also my negative canthal tilt improved like 1 degree or so, but i didnt track any of that.

Conclusion:

TB works, but its not better than getting a MSE. I dont have time, ill be editing this post maybe tomorrow thanks for reading

​

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[Razul.dub]

It'd only work if you could apply that amount of force 24/7 for multiple weeks/months like a palate expander, not to mention maintaing max force consistenly. Good luck with that bud

the mse doesnt apply 20 pounds of force 24/7, if it did it would break your maxilla lol. Also u can use mewnig (which is NOT as effective) to keep the tissue adjusted, as the tongue resistance when mewing is a little bit similar to the passive force of the mse

 

[2vi]

Alr so ik yall gona hate on me for this but i think thumbpulling (which im going to refer as TB) works. ill explain to you what i know about it. The method was developed by Jordan Wood, he already deleted the videos about the TB routine, but i took mental notes so all good
​

disclaimers: sorry for bad english, and also id like to let you know that im not formed at all in this area, this is superficial knowledge only, im not a doctor or anything, so i encourage you to make your own research.
Also im doing this in my school and if leave invognito mode my progress will be deleted so sorry if the argumetns arent as elaborated.


What is THUMBPULLING?

Thumbpulling is a Looksmaxxing technique for improving your forward growth, maxilla and other areas. Basically you will place your thumbs in your palate and pull sideways. Ill explain better later on.

So my argument starts with the MSE device (Maxillary skeletal expander), which is a device that will expand your maxilla, as the name says. The way it works, is by putting a device in the roof of your mouth (the palate) attached to your mollars and premollars, then u have to put a tiny screw into the device and pull it, that is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open), Isaacson & Ingram (1964, Angle Orthodontist), Lee et al. (2016, Korean Journal of Orthodontics) And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force (2-4 pounds(1kg-1.8kg) after some hours, 0.1-1 pound(0.0445kg, 0.5kg) a day or two after) , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw).

Heres a graphic example because my explanation skills are chopped :
You wear this device for 3-6 months to let your bones stabilize, and your palate will be 5-10 milimeters wider. Also u activate it 2 times a day.


So, where does TB take a part in here?

Thumbpulling, as the MSE, its about applying presure on specific points in your palate to widen your maxilla. The principles are the same, the difference are the means.
As i said before, the MSE has about 10-20 pounds of pressure applied on the roof of your mouth when activated, which means thats about enough force to move the soft part of the palate. Well, a single thumb, on an average male , can push 15-25 pounds (6.8kg -11.3kg) or also 30-50 pounds total (13.6–22.7 kilograms)), (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/1/194)
Which is clearly more than enough to move your maxilla. Of course, u cant be using all of your force all the time because you are gonna get tired, but the change is possible, even if u can only use your thumbs, thats what im trying to proof.

The counter, of course, is that it doesnt have any passive retention to keep the tissue expanded. HOWEVER, we do have mewing, which is not near to the MSE resting force, but is the most similar thing i could think about. When mewing the tongue applys 1 pound of force or 0.5 kg.
​

Routine​

This routine must be done 6-9 times a day and consists in 3 excercises. U must make sure to not press against the teeth.

1st Excercice:
You are gonna place your both of your thumbs above your third mollar (if u have one), push against the wall sideways and slightly upward, then draw your finger across the walls of the SOFT palate all the way to your canine tooths, there you must stop. The excercise must be 10 seconds long and you must repeat 3 times. (sorry for the bad drawing) APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE


View attachment 210458


2nd excercise:
You are going to push in 3 different points of your soft palate, its going to be only a sideways pressure on the walls of the palate. The first point is above ur third molar (if u have one) and you are going to hold that for 15 seconds. Second point is in the middle part of your soft palate,, your gonna hold for 10 seconds. Third point is in the beggining of the hard pallate, before the canine, ur gonna hold for 7 seconds.
APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE

View attachment 210461
3rd excercise: regular mewing 24/7


Downsides and pros

*PROS:
*Its a softmax, if u do it well u wont have any problem neither with symetry or malocclusion.
*U wont have to spend anything but time
*Overtime u will be having results
*Theres no diastema risk (having a gap between ur front teeth)

*CONS:
*It's WAY slower than MSE
*It takes patience and being consistant
*U can lose progress quickly if u arent consistant (if i remember well, if u dont do it for 1 week, it equals to a 14 day progression lose)
*If done wrong is gonna mess you up
*If ur sutures are closed im sorry but u wont change anything without MSE
My experience:

After a couple of weeks i noticed my fingers had more room for my thumbs, i also noticed a better e-rickett line but that was probably dude to chin tucks lol. Also my negative canthal tilt improved like 1 degree or so, but i didnt track any of that.

Conclusion:

TB works, but its not better than getting a MSE. I dont have time, ill be editing this post maybe tomorrow thanks for reading

​

r****d

 

[Razul.dub]

r****d

elaborate your self broski

 

[Nbernical]

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[2vi]

elaborate your self broski

absolute r****d..

 

[Razul.dub]

dnr

what does that mean amigo? do not rap3?

 

[Omega]

the mse doesnt apply 20 pounds of force 24/7, if it did it would break your maxilla lol. Also u can use mewnig (which is NOT as effective) to keep the tissue adjusted, as the tongue resistance when mewing is a little bit similar to the passive force of the mse

Except for the fact that mse is deisigned by ortho who spent years in med school and spends hours working with equipment that costs more than your whole bloodline to design mse plan for a specific case. You will just apply uneven pressure thus fucking up your palate (if you get any results at all) from reading a 150 word guide in looksmax com.

 

[Razul.dub]

Except for the fact that mse is deisigned by ortho who spent years in med school and spends hours working with equipment that costs more than your whole bloodline to design mse plan for a specific case. You will just apply uneven pressure thus fucking up your palate (if you get any results at all) from reading a 150 word guide in looksmax com.

thumbpulling parts from MSE, as i say in the post its the same principles. And yes, it will make uneven force if u apply uneven force lol, thats why u have to do it the right way and carefuly

 

[Omega]

thumbpulling parts from MSE, as i say in the post its the same principles. And yes, it will make uneven force if u apply uneven force lol, thats why u have to do it the right way and carefuly

A human is a flawed creature, you will always make mistakes when using fingers not designed for thumbpulling. Mse is designed from scratch for this and is made by biomed engineers who, again, get top tier salaries for this shit. This is why nobody has anything against mewing except for the part that it doesn’t do much, your tongue is designed by nature to sit on top of your roof as opposed to your fingers

 

[Omega]

Btw my future job field is somewhat close to biomedical engineering and if I would choose ortho/biomed then I would absolutely support this guy and promote his message, the demand in the industry would grow so much if every autistic insecure teenager started thumbpulling

 

[Razul.dub]

A human is a flawed creature, you will always make mistakes when using fingers not designed for thumbpulling. Mse is designed from scratch for this and is made by biomed engineers who, again, get top tier salaries for this shit. This is why nobody has anything against mewing except for the part that it doesn’t do much, your tongue is designed by nature to sit on top of your roof as opposed to your fingers

If u have normal synchronization skills and overall are a normal human you should be able to utilice your limbs and your fingers to make a balanced force in both of your thumbs, is not a big deal my friend

 

[Omega]

If u have normal synchronization skills and overall are a normal human you should be able to utilice your limbs and your fingers to make a balanced force in both of your thumbs, is not a big deal my friend

If your whole palate is the width of one finger (which still would be somewhat flawed) then maybe, although in that case Id probably recommend roping

 

[over0]

the mse doesnt apply 20 pounds of force 24/7, if it did it would break your maxilla lol. Also u can use mewnig (which is NOT as effective) to keep the tissue adjusted, as the tongue resistance when mewing is a little bit similar to the passive force of the mse

Maxillary Expansion - PMC https://share.google/COeAdXM4hcDSVGxMd

Active treatment is usually required for a period of 2-3 weeks, after which a retention period of three months

Force levels tend to accumulate following multiple turns and can be as high as 10 kg

Studies on cadavers have shown that the maxilla has a relatively low tolerance level to impact, with forces ranging from approximately 140 to 445 pounds (lbs) causing minimal fractures, especially to the thin anterior wall.

Just don't do your research theory ig

The maximum force the human tongue can apply varies greatly among individuals and depends on the direction of force and measurement method. Studies show a wide range, but typical maximum forces fall between 10 to 52 Newtons

if you read the study linked you'd realise we need much higher force than this

 

[RRM]

no

 

[KissMyAxe]

Alr so ik yall gona hate on me for this but i think thumbpulling (which im going to refer as TB) works. ill explain to you what i know about it. The method was developed by Jordan Wood, he already deleted the videos about the TB routine, but i took mental notes so all good
​

disclaimers: sorry for bad english, and also id like to let you know that im not formed at all in this area, this is superficial knowledge only, im not a doctor or anything, so i encourage you to make your own research.
Also im doing this in my school and if leave invognito mode my progress will be deleted so sorry if the argumetns arent as elaborated.


What is THUMBPULLING?

Thumbpulling is a Looksmaxxing technique for improving your forward growth, maxilla and other areas. Basically you will place your thumbs in your palate and pull sideways. Ill explain better later on.

So my argument starts with the MSE device (Maxillary skeletal expander), which is a device that will expand your maxilla, as the name says. The way it works, is by putting a device in the roof of your mouth (the palate) attached to your mollars and premollars, then u have to put a tiny screw into the device and pull it, that is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open), Isaacson & Ingram (1964, Angle Orthodontist), Lee et al. (2016, Korean Journal of Orthodontics) And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force (2-4 pounds(1kg-1.8kg) after some hours, 0.1-1 pound(0.0445kg, 0.5kg) a day or two after) , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw).

Heres a graphic example because my explanation skills are chopped :
You wear this device for 3-6 months to let your bones stabilize, and your palate will be 5-10 milimeters wider. Also u activate it 2 times a day.


So, where does TB take a part in here?

Thumbpulling, as the MSE, its about applying presure on specific points in your palate to widen your maxilla. The principles are the same, the difference are the means.
As i said before, the MSE has about 10-20 pounds of pressure applied on the roof of your mouth when activated, which means thats about enough force to move the soft part of the palate. Well, a single thumb, on an average male , can push 15-25 pounds (6.8kg -11.3kg) or also 30-50 pounds total (13.6–22.7 kilograms)), (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/1/194)
Which is clearly more than enough to move your maxilla. Of course, u cant be using all of your force all the time because you are gonna get tired, but the change is possible, even if u can only use your thumbs, thats what im trying to proof.

The counter, of course, is that it doesnt have any passive retention to keep the tissue expanded. HOWEVER, we do have mewing, which is not near to the MSE resting force, but is the most similar thing i could think about. When mewing the tongue applys 1 pound of force or 0.5 kg.
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Routine​

This routine must be done 6-9 times a day and consists in 3 excercises. U must make sure to not press against the teeth.

1st Excercice:
You are gonna place your both of your thumbs above your third mollar (if u have one), push against the wall sideways and slightly upward, then draw your finger across the walls of the SOFT palate all the way to your canine tooths, there you must stop. The excercise must be 10 seconds long and you must repeat 3 times. (sorry for the bad drawing) APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE


View attachment 210458


2nd excercise:
You are going to push in 3 different points of your soft palate, its going to be only a sideways pressure on the walls of the palate. The first point is above ur third molar (if u have one) and you are going to hold that for 15 seconds. Second point is in the middle part of your soft palate,, your gonna hold for 10 seconds. Third point is in the beggining of the hard pallate, before the canine, ur gonna hold for 7 seconds.
APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE


View attachment 210461

3rd excercise: regular mewing 24/7



If u cant fit both of your thumbs theres a excersice that im too lazy to explain but if u wanna know just tell me and i will do my best to explain it
Downsides and pros

*PROS:
*Its a softmax, if u do it well u wont have any problem neither with symetry or malocclusion.
*U wont have to spend anything but time
*Overtime u will be having results
*Theres no diastema risk (having a gap between ur front teeth)

*CONS:
*It's WAY slower than MSE
*It takes patience and being consistant
*U can lose progress quickly if u arent consistant (if i remember well, if u dont do it for 1 week, it equals to a 14 day progression lose)
*If done wrong is gonna mess you up
*If ur sutures are closed im sorry but u wont change anything without MSE
My experience:

After a couple of weeks i noticed my fingers had more room for my thumbs, i also noticed a better e-rickett line but that was probably due to chin tucks lol. Also my negative canthal tilt improved like 1 degree or so, but i didnt track any of that.

Conclusion:

Thumbpulling is a good softmax to do if you can't or don't wanna buy a MSE, or don't wanna get that weird gap between your teeth. However, it is a method that can and will take a lot of time to get the results wanted, and its not gonna do magic but it does work and will improve your face.
Of course, its not better than getting a maxillary expander, which is a safer and overall better method to expand your palate.

Anyways i thank you for reading this and have a good one. If u have any questions ill try to answer.

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can we ban this n***a

 

[Razul.dub]

Maxillary Expansion - PMC https://share.google/COeAdXM4hcDSVGxMd

Active treatment is usually required for a period of 2-3 weeks, after which a retention period of three months

Force levels tend to accumulate following multiple turns and can be as high as 10 kg

Studies on cadavers have shown that the maxilla has a relatively low tolerance level to impact, with forces ranging from approximately 140 to 445 pounds (lbs) causing minimal fractures, especially to the thin anterior wall.

Just don't do your research theory ig

The maximum force the human tongue can apply varies greatly among individuals and depends on the direction of force and measurement method. Studies show a wide range, but typical maximum forces fall between 10 to 52 Newtons

if you read the study linked you'd realise we need much higher force than this

Maxillary Expansion - PMC https://share.google/COeAdXM4hcDSVGxMd

Active treatment is usually required for a period of 2-3 weeks, after which a retention period of three months

Force levels tend to accumulate following multiple turns and can be as high as 10 kg

Studies on cadavers have shown that the maxilla has a relatively low tolerance level to impact, with forces ranging from approximately 140 to 445 pounds (lbs) causing minimal fractures, especially to the thin anterior wall.

Just don't do your research theory ig

The maximum force the human tongue can apply varies greatly among individuals and depends on the direction of force and measurement method. Studies show a wide range, but typical maximum forces fall between 10 to 52 Newtons

if you read the study linked you'd realise we need much higher force than this

Yes. The force that accumulates depends on how much you pull the screw, if u pull it 1 time (1/4th) it will apply 15-90 pounds of force (depending on the design of the device). There is devices like Hyrax or Haas that applies very little force, but both of them expand your maxilla (if ur sutures arent fused). There is MSE's that do expand your maxilla even if the sutures are closed, those ones do require a lot of force. thats why TB only works in teenagers, not adults.

But anyways thats why u do this method at least 6 times a day, because is not as effective

 

[over0]

Yes. The force that accumulates depends on how much you pull the screw, if u pull it 1 time (1/4th) it will apply 15-90 pounds of force (depending on the design of the device). There is devices like Hyrax or Haas that applies very little force, but both of them expand your maxilla (if ur sutures arent fused). There is MSE's that do expand your maxilla even if the sutures are closed, those ones do require a lot of force. thats why TB only works in teenagers, not adults

Mf you didn't debunk anything what was the point of this response

 

[Razul.dub]

Mf you didn't debunk anything what was the point of this response

because what u said is true, did u read the post?

"is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open),"

"*If ur sutures are closed im sorry but u wont change anything without MSE"

 

[over0]

because what u said is true, did u read the post?

"is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open),"

"*If ur sutures are closed im sorry but u wont change anything without MSE"

Great comprehension skills bud

1. Most of the maxila development Is completed by the age of 6

2. You need CONSTANT pressure and like I said and was shown in the study linked you need to apply enough pressure to cause bone separation in the first place good luck with that

3. I debunked your Mewing works claim yet you've not even tried to counter that

4. I proved you don't even know the physiology of a maxila your research genuinely just extends to the extent of watching a few videos

 

[Razul.dub]

Great comprehension skills bud

1. Most of the maxila development Is completed by the age of 6

2. You need CONSTANT pressure and like I said and was shown in the study linked you need to apply enough pressure to cause bone separation in the first place good luck with that

3. I debunked your Mewing works claim yet you've not even tried to counter that

4. I proved you don't even know the physiology of a maxila your research genuinely just extends to the extent of watching a few videos

1. I speak english because its the only lenguaje you understand

2. The maxilla development completed doesnt mean that the sutures fuse

"The possibility of finding closed midpalatal sutures in individuals of 10 to 15 years was 58.4%, and in subjects aged 16 to 20 and 21 to 25 years, it was 51.7% and 61.7%, respectively. In males, Stages D and E were present in 45.4%; for females, this prevalence was 68.8%." (this is pubmed, the same clinic you were citing)

3. Yeah u need constant pression, thats what tb lacks of, and thats the reason you have to do it 6-9 times a day, thats why u lose progress so quick when u stop the excersices.

4.Depending on the device and on the patient, the pasive force that a mse will apply different force, some of the devices do put very little pounds of force "Minne expander using a continuous force of two pounds, which would produce a slow maxillary expansion" (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2653850/) And the tongue, when u are mewing it does put a similar resistance, and of course its not as effective, as i said, but its the only "counter" i could find.

5.No, i dont know the physiology, as i also said in the disclaimer of the publication, lol

 

[over0]

1. I speak english because its the only lenguaje you understand

3. Yeah u need constant pression, thats what tb lacks of, and thats the reason you have to do it 6-9 times a day, thats why u lose progress so quick when u stop the excersices.

 

[Currycelloser]

Great comprehension skills bud

1. Most of the maxila development Is completed by the age of 6

2. You need CONSTANT pressure and like I said and was shown in the study linked you need to apply enough pressure to cause bone separation in the first place good luck with that

3. I debunked your Mewing works claim yet you've not even tried to counter that

4. I proved you don't even know the physiology of a maxila your research genuinely just extends to the extent of watching a few videos

have u watched jordan wood vids?

 

[Luca_.]

DNR grey post

I caged reading the title

 

[over0]

4.Depending on the device and on the patient, the pasive force that a mse will apply different force, some of the devices do put very little pounds of force "Minne expander using a continuous force of two pounds, which would produce a slow maxillary expansion" (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2653850/) And the tongue, when u are mewing it does put a similar resistance, and of course its not as effective, as i said, but its the only "counter" i could find.

2lbs of force is about the max most people are capable of producing also when your pressing up you can't produce as much force AKA you can't produce nearly enough force to create any change.

"The possibility of finding closed midpalatal sutures in individuals of 10 to 15 years was 58.4%, and in subjects aged 16 to 20 and 21 to 25 years, it was 51.7% and 61.7%, respectively. In males, Stages D and E were present in 45.4%; for females, this prevalence was 68.8%." (this is pubmed, the same clinic you were citing)

Please explain why Adults can't just get a regular palate expander and call it a day? You yourself said Thumbpulling won't work for adults so your point is null

 

[Razul.dub]

have u watched jordan wood vids?

yes i have

 

[Currycelloser]

2lbs of force is about the max most people are capable of producing also when your pressing up you can't produce as much force AKA you can't produce nearly enough force to create any change.


Please explain why Adults can't just get a regular palate expander and call it a day? You yourself said Thumbpulling won't work for adults so your point is null

tbh, thumbpulling is cope, but u can try ig, cause jordan wood had decent results, but doing it for maxillary growth is cope i agree

 

[Razul.dub]

2lbs of force is about the max most people are capable of producing also when your pressing up you can't produce as much force AKA you can't produce nearly enough force to create any change.


Please explain why Adults can't just get a regular palate expander and call it a day? You yourself said Thumbpulling won't work for adults so your point is null

adults can get a palate expander and yeah they migth improve, and Thumbpulling wont work in adults because their sutures are probably closed and to expand you would need a lot more force than a thumb can do. Great comprehension skills bud

 

[truetard]

What if I bonesmash the inside of my mouth would that work

 

[Razul.dub]

tbh, thumbpulling is cope, but u can try ig, cause jordan wood had decent results, but doing it for maxillary growth is cope i agree

yeah ive been doing it and i do see results, i wouldnt recommend if i didnt tried it before

 

[over0]

Great comprehension skills bud

 

[Razul.dub]

2lbs of force is about the max most people are capable of producing also when your pressing up you can't produce as much force AKA you can't produce nearly enough force to create any change.

The force u push with mewing, in this case, is not for expanding it, or to create a change, is for "holding" as much as possible the suture into the place. It wont make almost any difference, but its better than not doing anything. Also mewing does about 1 pound of force, again, better than nothing. Do you read anything i say?

 

[over0]

Also mewing does about 1 pound of force, again, better than nothing. Do you read anything i say?

You never said this unc don't switch up the narrative

 

[Razul.dub]

You never said this unc don't switch up the narrative

IT SAYS IN THE MAIN POST BRO LOOOOL

 

[Blackpillirony]

I caged reading the title

State of greys

 

[Abdullahm06]

the whole entire thread is shit because title is thumbpulling for FLAT maxilla which requires FORWARD growth yet youre showing thumpulling for LATERAL growth which is for a NARROW maxilla
either change the title to thumbpulling for narrow palate or change the info to premaxilla pushing

 

[Luca_.]

the whole entire thread is shit because title is thumbpulling for FLAT maxilla which requires FORWARD growth yet youre showing thumpulling for LATERAL growth which is for a NARROW maxilla
either change the title to thumbpulling for narrow palate or change the info to premaxilla pushing

Op doesn’t even understand this. No point in trying to change his mind

 

[Almighty Sigma Wolf]

Will start thumb pulling rn

 

[Shkypot]

Dnr, thumb pulling is cope

 

[joestar]

What's a maxilla bruv

 

[Razul.dub]

the whole entire thread is shit because title is thumbpulling for FLAT maxilla which requires FORWARD growth yet youre showing thumpulling for LATERAL growth which is for a NARROW maxilla
either change the title to thumbpulling for narrow palate or change the info to premaxilla pushing

did u even see the excercises my little bruv

 

[Razul.dub]

Alr so ik yall gona hate on me for this but i think thumbpulling (which im going to refer as TB) works. ill explain to you what i know about it. The method was developed by Jordan Wood, he already deleted the videos about the TB routine, but i took mental notes so all good
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disclaimers: sorry for bad english, and also id like to let you know that im not formed at all in this area, this is superficial knowledge only, im not a doctor or anything, so i encourage you to make your own research.
Also im doing this in my school and if leave invognito mode my progress will be deleted so sorry if the argumetns arent as elaborated.


What is THUMBPULLING?

Thumbpulling is a Looksmaxxing technique for improving your forward growth, maxilla and other areas. Basically you will place your thumbs in your palate and pull sideways. Ill explain better later on.

So my argument starts with the MSE device (Maxillary skeletal expander), which is a device that will expand your maxilla, as the name says. The way it works, is by putting a device in the roof of your mouth (the palate) attached to your mollars and premollars, then u have to put a tiny screw into the device and pull it, that is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open), Isaacson & Ingram (1964, Angle Orthodontist), Lee et al. (2016, Korean Journal of Orthodontics) And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force (2-4 pounds(1kg-1.8kg) after some hours, 0.1-1 pound(0.0445kg, 0.5kg) a day or two after) , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw).

Heres a graphic example because my explanation skills are chopped :
You wear this device for 3-6 months to let your bones stabilize, and your palate will be 5-10 milimeters wider. Also u activate it 2 times a day.


So, where does TB take a part in here?

Thumbpulling, as the MSE, its about applying presure on specific points in your palate to widen your maxilla. The principles are the same, the difference are the means.
As i said before, the MSE has about 10-20 pounds of pressure applied on the roof of your mouth when activated, which means thats about enough force to move the soft part of the palate. Well, a single thumb, on an average male , can push 15-25 pounds (6.8kg -11.3kg) or also 30-50 pounds total (13.6–22.7 kilograms)), (https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/10/1/194)
Which is clearly more than enough to move your maxilla. Of course, u cant be using all of your force all the time because you are gonna get tired, but the change is possible, even if u can only use your thumbs, thats what im trying to proof.

The counter, of course, is that it doesnt have any passive retention to keep the tissue expanded. HOWEVER, we do have mewing, which is not near to the MSE resting force, but is the most similar thing i could think about. When mewing the tongue applys 1 pound of force or 0.5 kg.
​

Routine​

This routine must be done 6-9 times a day and consists in 3 excercises. U must make sure to not press against the teeth.

1st Excercice:
You are gonna place your both of your thumbs above your third mollar (if u have one), push against the wall sideways and slightly upward, then draw your finger across the walls of the SOFT palate all the way to your canine tooths, there you must stop. The excercise must be 10 seconds long and you must repeat 3 times. (sorry for the bad drawing) APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE


View attachment 210458


2nd excercise:
You are going to push in 3 different points of your soft palate, its going to be only a sideways pressure on the walls of the palate. The first point is above ur third molar (if u have one) and you are going to hold that for 15 seconds. Second point is in the middle part of your soft palate,, your gonna hold for 10 seconds. Third point is in the beggining of the hard pallate, before the canine, ur gonna hold for 7 seconds.
APPLY EQUAL PRESSURE ON EACH SIDE


View attachment 210461

3rd excercise: regular mewing 24/7

If u cant fit both thumbs
Heres a video i made cuz its hard to explain without a graphic example (ik im chopped)



If u cant fit both of your thumbs theres a excersice that im too lazy to explain but if u wanna know just tell me and i will do my best to explain it
Downsides and pros

*PROS:
*Its a softmax, if u do it well u wont have any problem neither with symetry or malocclusion.
*U wont have to spend anything but time
*Overtime u will be having results
*Theres no diastema risk (having a gap between ur front teeth)

*CONS:
*It's WAY slower than MSE
*It takes patience and being consistant
*U can lose progress quickly if u arent consistant (if i remember well, if u dont do it for 1 week, it equals to a 14 day progression lose)
*If done wrong is gonna mess you up
*If ur sutures are closed im sorry but u wont change anything without MSE
My experience:

After a couple of weeks i noticed my fingers had more room for my thumbs, i also noticed a better e-rickett line but that was probably due to chin tucks lol. Also my negative canthal tilt improved like 1 degree or so, but i didnt track any of that.

Conclusion:

Thumbpulling is a good softmax to do if you can't or don't wanna buy a MSE, or don't wanna get that weird gap between your teeth. However, it is a method that can and will take a lot of time to get the results wanted, and its not gonna do magic but it does work and will improve your face.
Of course, its not better than getting a maxillary expander, which is a safer and overall better method to expand your palate.

Anyways i thank you for reading this and have a good one. If u have any questions ill try to answer.

​