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Please serious answers only.

Asking this on a looksmaxxing forum? I understand, it is utter desperation.

I have other outlets as well, however, I need all the voices and opinions I can get.

I am willing to sacrifice some of my social life in college and sacrifice not going out as much if I am almost guaranteed a high-paying job that has close to 40 hour work weeks or sacrifice all of it if I am 100% guaranteed a high-paying job at the end of college, and also would not completely be soulsucking if possible.

Some of you may say finance/accounting, however most of those jobs I heard are 60 - 80 workweeks.

Computer Science is saturated to no end.

Nursing is also miserable and long hours.

Forget any liberal arts. (Obvious.)

I just need a good income to support my current immediate family, and support my future wife and kids. The reason I say 40 hours is because I still want to be able to come home and be there for my wife and kids instead of just being a negligent father.

It just feels like all majors are saturated, highly competitive, and facing layoffs right now. Engineering seems like the best bet, however, I also heard studying it in college is "hell on earth", I am fine with pursuing it if I am 100% guaranteed a good job, pay and stability and I am interested the concepts, but again a very tough road, I even heard sometimes it does not pay all that great (Is that true?), is it worth it?

Some say, just major what you are good at and you will get payed a lot. However, this does not seem to be the complete truth, correct me if I am wrong.

Others say to go into a trade: Where I am about to move and live, trades do not pay all too well to my knowledge unless you start your own business.

If you tell me to get side income, how?

If there is any path that is high paying and does not require a traditional college degree, you can also say it.

Of course, not sacrificing my social life and/or sleep would be great and I would love to live up my college years but that does not seem like how it is going to play out. I need to choose my priorities, and the one I prioritize is my family, wife and future. I would sacrifice 4 years of college for a non-miserable rest of my life I cannot have it all, correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you.

Tagging people I know would be of relevance:

@AuggyDauggy @TonyDr @Randomized Shame @Dandelions @pompompurino @Ethan Asia @David🦢
 
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if you’re a social person, sales is a great path to look into. the only college degree that pays 6 figures with 40 hour work weeks is engineering, and potentially nursing too but i hear some horror stories from nurses. if you take the finance route, you can for sure get a 6 figure job with 40 hour work weeks, but it will take some time and dedicated post grad. your best bet is engineering, but like you said, it’s extremely taxing in the college years. look up some practice problems from your specific engineer in interest (mechanical, electrical, chemical, etc) and see if you’re able to solve them without sacrifice your sanity
 

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Dude, why would something be high paying, easy to get into, low work hours, and not difficult? There will obviously be some sacrifice otherwise if you are going to make a lot of money

Yes, that is why I said I can not have it all.
 
i forgot about computer science. it’s also similar to engineering, but theres been controversy around it as of late. i wouldn’t recommend it unless you’re confident you can network and get internships to find a job post graduation
 
If you're fine with many years of school I'd suggest being a dentist

You basically get doctor-tier salary but more relaxed work hours and don't have to do some grueling residency

Lot of potential for upside as well since you can run your own business

but it requires 8 years of school
 

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if you’re a social person, sales is a great path to look into. the only college degree that pays 6 figures with 40 hour work weeks is engineering, and potentially nursing too but i hear some horror stories from nurses. if you take the finance route, you can for sure get a 6 figure job with 40 hour work weeks, but it will take some time and dedicated post grad. your best bet is engineering, but like you said, it’s extremely taxing in the college years. look up some practice problems from your specific engineer in interest (mechanical, electrical, chemical, etc) and see if you’re able to solve them without sacrifice your sanity

Yes, sales is definitely a good option, that would be my backup if college were to go awry, or perhaps I could get something in college to get/leverage for a tech sales job.

Good advice with looking up problems to solve, thank you.
 

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Yes, sales is definitely a good option, that would be my backup if college were to go awry, or perhaps I could get something in college to get/leverage for a tech sales job.

Good advice with looking up problems to solve, thank you.
Dont do sales unless u are hyper NT, theres also not much stability
 
Healthcare is just objectively your best bet. It does not necessarily mean nursing, but a lot of high paying jobs in America require a Master's degree. Healthcare is always desperate for new people though. Otherwise, I recommend the military, which is not college related but would meet most of your requirements.

You get lifetime benefits for doing just 4 years and you won't enter debt over it. I'm not sure if you're an American citizen, but in America serving the military will give your healthcare for life for just doing 4 years and your healthcare will provide for both you and your wife and your children, free education, serving also helps you in the job market (as in America there's certain jobs that's Veterans only), they will also provide for housing and stuff while you're in service if you're doing on-base housing - If you die (not related to your term, just dying in general even when you're retired & older) your family will get death benefits that will provide for them after you're gone. There's also more benefits, but I won't get into it further. I recommend looking into it. I did and it's why I know a lot of the benefits; I get wanting to provide for your family.
 

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Yes, sales is definitely a good option, that would be my backup if college were to go awry, or perhaps I could get something in college to get/leverage for a tech sales job.

Good advice with looking up problems to solve, thank you.
i solved my own share of problems that were mechanical engineering related, and it wasn’t too bad. it wasn’t hard, but it’s very time consuming and requires you to memorize lots of equations, formulas and laws. you seem to grasp things quickly and have a good understanding of different topics, so you might want to seriously consider engineering
 

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Healthcare is just objectively your best bet. It does not necessarily mean nursing, but a lot of high paying jobs in America require a Master's degree. Healthcare is always desperate for new people though. Otherwise, I recommend the military, which is not college related but would meet most of your requirements.

You get lifetime benefits for doing just 4 years and you won't enter debt over it. I'm not sure if you're an American citizen, but in America serving the military will give your healthcare for life for just doing 4 years and your healthcare will provide for both you and your wife and your children, free education, serving also helps you in the job market (as in America there's certain jobs that's Veterans only), they will also provide for housing and stuff while you're in service if you're doing on-base housing - If you die (not related to your term, just dying in general even when you're retired & older) your family will get death benefits that will provide for them after you're gone. There's also more benefits, but I won't get into it further. I recommend looking into it. I did and it's why I know a lot of the benefits; I get wanting to provide for your family.

Great advice. I did not think of other healthcare positions, I will research into that.

I was thinking of the millitary but unfortunately I can not go due to certain circumstances unless you know any way to get around it. I will not elaborate further about these circumstances unless you would like to private message.
 

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Great advice. I did not think of other healthcare positions, I will research into that.

I was thinking of the millitary but unfortunately I can not go due to certain circumstances unless you know any way to get around it. I will not elaborate further about these circumstances unless you would like to private message.
You can always speak to a recruiter and not accept a contract. Like you won't get in trouble for just talking to someone. They would know more than me, but in most cases most medical conditions, even mental health ones, can be waived if there's been a long period of you being stable. So normally if you go 3 years without treatment for something, they will waive it for you. Certain legal issues can also be waived.
 
I believe a STEM or Finance degrees are the best bets for this. Personally, I would combo it with Math (applied) minor, as that is used in a lot of analytical roles, which gives a lot of leeway to switch workplaces. But definitely not for all.

For studying in uni, it's not too bad. With alright schedule it should be enjoyable, and you'll have time to party and date around if you're concerned about that.
 

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You can always speak to a recruiter and not accept a contract. Like you won't get in trouble for just talking to someone. They would know more than me, but in most cases most medical conditions, even mental health ones, can be waived if there's been a long period of you being stable. So normally if you go 3 years without treatment for something, they will waive it for you. Certain legal issues can also be waived.

Thanks federal agent for imposing your American propaganda on a looksmaxxing forum. (Only joking.)

Thank you, I greatly appreciate the indepth advice. I will look into the millitary as well then, but it will probably be at the bottom of my list.
 

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Thanks federal agent for imposing your American propaganda on a looksmaxxing forum. (Only joking.)

Thank you, I greatly appreciate the indepth advice. I will look into the millitary as well then, but it will probably be at the bottom of my list.
Fair. I'm also not fond of the idea of enlisting but sometimes a man gets desperate. :sadge: If you can do literally anything else first I would always recommend that instead. I didn't have the best upbringing so a lot of my options are limited sadly.

Outside of healthcare, it's really hard to say because college jobs don't pay like they used to, and the job market is hard in general.
 

~—• APATHEIA •—~


Please serious answers only.

Asking this on a looksmaxxing forum? I understand, it is utter desperation.

I have other outlets as well, however, I need all the voices and opinions I can get.

I am willing to sacrifice some of my social life in college and sacrifice not going out as much if I am almost guaranteed a high-paying job that has close to 40 hour work weeks or sacrifice all of it if I am 100% guaranteed a high-paying job at the end of college, and also would not completely be soulsucking if possible.

Some of you may say finance/accounting, however most of those jobs I heard are 60 - 80 workweeks.

Computer Science is saturated to no end.

Nursing is also miserable and long hours.

Forget any liberal arts. (Obvious.)

I just need a good income to support my current immediate family, and support my future wife and kids. The reason I say 40 hours is because I still want to be able to come home and be there for my wife and kids instead of just being a negligent father.

It just feels like all majors are saturated, highly competitive, and facing layoffs right now. Engineering seems like the best bet, however, I also heard studying it in college is "hell on earth", I am fine with pursuing it if I am 100% guaranteed a good job, pay and stability and I am interested the concepts, but again a very tough road, I even heard sometimes it does not pay all that great (Is that true?), is it worth it?

Some say, just major what you are good at and you will get payed a lot. However, this does not seem to be the complete truth, correct me if I am wrong.

Others say to go into a trade: Where I live, trades do not pay all too well to my knowledge unless you start your own business.

If you tell me to get side income, how?

If there is any path that is high paying and does not require a traditional college degree, you can also say it.

Of course, not sacrificing my social life and/or sleep would be great and I would love to live up my college years but that does not seem like how it is going to play out. I need to choose my priorities, and the one I prioritize is my family, wife and future. I would sacrifice 4 years of college for a non-miserable rest of my life I cannot have it all, correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you.

Tagging people I know would be of relevance:

@AuggyDauggy @TonyDr @Randomized Shame @Dandelions @pompompurino @Ethan Asia @David🦢
Glad to see u back
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Engineering? Military? Trades? Hold on dude, you want to pursue education for the sake of chasing your dreams, not for the sake of making tons of money. I am not saying that money is not important, but you will lose your motivation if you focus solely on money. Think about working something for the rest of your life, and enjoying doing it even if it gets stressful.

Every sector needs high quality people. Since most young people are going to college and shy away from trades, you may want to learn a trade, then specialize later (Robotics, PLC programming, Automation). If you are ambitious and hard working, company will invest in your education.

I think there is no "wrong choice" as long as you pursue the career that you have passion, genuine desire, and faith - you're always gonna be hired. Of course other things are important, but not many people are willing to sacrifice. I know this may be unusual advice, but this is truly valid in my experience 👍
 

~—• APATHEIA •—~​


i solved my own share of problems that were mechanical engineering related, and it wasn’t too bad. it wasn’t hard, but it’s very time consuming and requires you to memorize lots of equations, formulas and laws. you seem to grasp things quickly and have a good understanding of different topics, so you might want to seriously consider engineering

Do you know where you got the engineering problems from? And what are the prerequisites to solving them?

you seem to grasp things quickly and have a good understanding of different topics, so you might want to seriously consider engineering

Thank you, I appreciate the kind comment.
 

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I believe a STEM or Finance degrees are the best bets for this. Personally, I would combo it with Math (applied) minor, as that is used in a lot of analytical roles, which gives a lot of leeway to switch workplaces. But definitely not for all.

For studying in uni, it's not too bad. With alright schedule it should be enjoyable, and you'll have time to party and date around if you're concerned about that.

I appreciate it the comment.

For studying in uni, it's not too bad. With alright schedule it should be enjoyable, and you'll have time to party and date around if you're concerned about that.
Do you think with a minor in math/other minor and studying engineering, I really would still have some time to be with friends and date? It seems quite intensive.
 

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Do you know where you got the engineering problems from? And what are the prerequisites to solving them?



Thank you, I appreciate the kind comment.
jeff hanson on youtube. i spent a few hours watching his videos and learning how to do problems. i noticed a lot of math was being used, trigonometry stood out to me. there were also laws of physics and word problems that forces you to think outside of the box, rather than expecting the numbers to be given to you at face value.
 

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Fair. I'm also not fond of the idea of enlisting but sometimes a man gets desperate. :sadge: If you can do literally anything else first I would always recommend that instead. I didn't have the best upbringing so a lot of my options are limited sadly.

Outside of healthcare, it's really hard to say because college jobs don't pay like they used to, and the job market is hard in general.

Thank you, and I am sorry you did not have the best upbringing.

Outside of healthcare, it's really hard to say because college jobs don't pay like they used to, and the job market is hard in general.

Yes, unfortunately, it seems like just going to college will not cut it anymore for some majors, that is what makes me so uneasy about choosing a major. I will definitely look into healthcare roles.
 

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jeff hanson on youtube. i spent a few hours watching his videos and learning how to do problems. i noticed a lot of math was being used, trigonometry stood out to me. there were also laws of physics and word problems that forces you to think outside of the box, rather than expecting the numbers to be given to you at face value.

Thank you, I just searched him up. Is there a certain playlist(s) or video(s) you recommend I should start first?

 

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Thank you, I just searched him up. Is there a certain playlist(s) or video(s) you recommend I should start first?

i’d recommend looking at his most popular videos first, considering those will likely be common topics you see in college if you do take that path
 

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i’d recommend looking at his most popular videos first, considering those will likely be common topics you see in college if you do take that path

Got it, will do. However, I do have a question, his most popular videos are part of a series of videos (Ex. Statics: Lesson 59), and they are pretty far in into the series, should I just do the course from the start or can I just go straight into any video and learn it.
 

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Got it, will do. However, I do have a question, his most popular videos are part of a series of videos (Ex. Statics: Lesson 59), and they are pretty far in into the series, should I just do the course from the start or can I just go straight into any video and learn it.
go into any video. the whole point is to get a gist of what you’ll be seeing in college and if you’ll be able to handle it. however, it doesn’t paint the full picture so take it with a grain of salt
 

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Engineering? Military? Trades? Hold on dude, you want to pursue education for the sake of chasing your dreams, not for the sake of making tons of money. I am not saying that money is not important, but you will lose your motivation if you focus solely on money. Think about working something for the rest of your life, and enjoying doing it even if it gets stressful.

Every sector needs high quality people. Since most young people are going to college and shy away from trades, you may want to learn a trade, then specialize later (Robotics, PLC programming, Automation). If you are ambitious and hard working, company will invest in your education.

I think there is no "wrong choice" as long as you pursue the career that you have passion, genuine desire, and faith - you're always gonna be hired. Of course other things are important, but not many people are willing to sacrifice. I know this may be unusual advice, but this is truly valid in my experience 👍

I enjoy this way of thinking and your optimism, and I would like to be proven wrong, but if I were to pursue education for the sake of my real dream, and choose a major based off that I would have a bad salary, career prospects, stability, benefits, would not be able to provide for my family, etc. would I not?
 

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I appreciate it the comment.


Do you think with a minor in math/other minor and studying engineering, I really would still have some time to be with friends and date? It seems quite intensive.
Yeah, you'll still have time. It's not as bad as people say.
 

~—• APATHEIA •—~


Please serious answers only.

Asking this on a looksmaxxing forum? I understand, it is utter desperation.

I have other outlets as well, however, I need all the voices and opinions I can get.

I am willing to sacrifice some of my social life in college and sacrifice not going out as much if I am almost guaranteed a high-paying job that has close to 40 hour work weeks or sacrifice all of it if I am 100% guaranteed a high-paying job at the end of college, and also would not completely be soulsucking if possible.

Some of you may say finance/accounting, however most of those jobs I heard are 60 - 80 workweeks.

Computer Science is saturated to no end.

Nursing is also miserable and long hours.

Forget any liberal arts. (Obvious.)

I just need a good income to support my current immediate family, and support my future wife and kids. The reason I say 40 hours is because I still want to be able to come home and be there for my wife and kids instead of just being a negligent father.

It just feels like all majors are saturated, highly competitive, and facing layoffs right now. Engineering seems like the best bet, however, I also heard studying it in college is "hell on earth", I am fine with pursuing it if I am 100% guaranteed a good job, pay and stability and I am interested the concepts, but again a very tough road, I even heard sometimes it does not pay all that great (Is that true?), is it worth it?

Some say, just major what you are good at and you will get payed a lot. However, this does not seem to be the complete truth, correct me if I am wrong.

Others say to go into a trade: Where I am about to move and live, trades do not pay all too well to my knowledge unless you start your own business.

If you tell me to get side income, how?

If there is any path that is high paying and does not require a traditional college degree, you can also say it.

Of course, not sacrificing my social life and/or sleep would be great and I would love to live up my college years but that does not seem like how it is going to play out. I need to choose my priorities, and the one I prioritize is my family, wife and future. I would sacrifice 4 years of college for a non-miserable rest of my life I cannot have it all, correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you.

Tagging people I know would be of relevance:

@AuggyDauggy @TonyDr @Randomized Shame @Dandelions @pompompurino @Ethan Asia @David🦢
Do you want to go to an Ivy League university?
 

~—• APATHEIA •—~


Please serious answers only.

Asking this on a looksmaxxing forum? I understand, it is utter desperation.

I have other outlets as well, however, I need all the voices and opinions I can get.

I am willing to sacrifice some of my social life in college and sacrifice not going out as much if I am almost guaranteed a high-paying job that has close to 40 hour work weeks or sacrifice all of it if I am 100% guaranteed a high-paying job at the end of college, and also would not completely be soulsucking if possible.

Some of you may say finance/accounting, however most of those jobs I heard are 60 - 80 workweeks.

Computer Science is saturated to no end.

Nursing is also miserable and long hours.

Forget any liberal arts. (Obvious.)

I just need a good income to support my current immediate family, and support my future wife and kids. The reason I say 40 hours is because I still want to be able to come home and be there for my wife and kids instead of just being a negligent father.

It just feels like all majors are saturated, highly competitive, and facing layoffs right now. Engineering seems like the best bet, however, I also heard studying it in college is "hell on earth", I am fine with pursuing it if I am 100% guaranteed a good job, pay and stability and I am interested the concepts, but again a very tough road, I even heard sometimes it does not pay all that great (Is that true?), is it worth it?

Some say, just major what you are good at and you will get payed a lot. However, this does not seem to be the complete truth, correct me if I am wrong.

Others say to go into a trade: Where I am about to move and live, trades do not pay all too well to my knowledge unless you start your own business.

If you tell me to get side income, how?

If there is any path that is high paying and does not require a traditional college degree, you can also say it.

Of course, not sacrificing my social life and/or sleep would be great and I would love to live up my college years but that does not seem like how it is going to play out. I need to choose my priorities, and the one I prioritize is my family, wife and future. I would sacrifice 4 years of college for a non-miserable rest of my life I cannot have it all, correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you.

Tagging people I know would be of relevance:

@AuggyDauggy @TonyDr @Randomized Shame @Dandelions @pompompurino @Ethan Asia @David🦢
I can give you advice on what to do and what not to do in college since I am a graduate, but from a British university
 

~—• APATHEIA •—~


Please serious answers only.

Asking this on a looksmaxxing forum? I understand, it is utter desperation.

I have other outlets as well, however, I need all the voices and opinions I can get.

I am willing to sacrifice some of my social life in college and sacrifice not going out as much if I am almost guaranteed a high-paying job that has close to 40 hour work weeks or sacrifice all of it if I am 100% guaranteed a high-paying job at the end of college, and also would not completely be soulsucking if possible.

Some of you may say finance/accounting, however most of those jobs I heard are 60 - 80 workweeks.

Computer Science is saturated to no end.

Nursing is also miserable and long hours.

Forget any liberal arts. (Obvious.)

I just need a good income to support my current immediate family, and support my future wife and kids. The reason I say 40 hours is because I still want to be able to come home and be there for my wife and kids instead of just being a negligent father.

It just feels like all majors are saturated, highly competitive, and facing layoffs right now. Engineering seems like the best bet, however, I also heard studying it in college is "hell on earth", I am fine with pursuing it if I am 100% guaranteed a good job, pay and stability and I am interested the concepts, but again a very tough road, I even heard sometimes it does not pay all that great (Is that true?), is it worth it?

Some say, just major what you are good at and you will get payed a lot. However, this does not seem to be the complete truth, correct me if I am wrong.

Others say to go into a trade: Where I am about to move and live, trades do not pay all too well to my knowledge unless you start your own business.

If you tell me to get side income, how?

If there is any path that is high paying and does not require a traditional college degree, you can also say it.

Of course, not sacrificing my social life and/or sleep would be great and I would love to live up my college years but that does not seem like how it is going to play out. I need to choose my priorities, and the one I prioritize is my family, wife and future. I would sacrifice 4 years of college for a non-miserable rest of my life I cannot have it all, correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you.

Tagging people I know would be of relevance:

@AuggyDauggy @TonyDr @Randomized Shame @Dandelions @pompompurino @Ethan Asia @David🦢
I'm going to be honest with you, if you are going to college in America then please do your research first about whether you want to go to an Ivy League university or a regular one, I would choose something you know you would like to pursue but not something you regret. I would not throw away a social life either for studies. I would rather you do both- try to make friends with others and get the best grades possible but don't put too much pressure on yourself. Why? I did that and I burned out. I just couldn't deal with it towards the end and got a lower grade than expected, so you need to break the study material down so you understand in whatever subject you choose. You need to have fun but also study hard as well so you can have a bright future, I only say this because I am a graduate who did a degree and doesn't work in that field but it doesn't mean I regret it. I regret not having enough friends but I studied during the pandemic.
 

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I can give you advice on what to do and what not to do in college since I am a graduate, but from a British university

Sure, I would appreciate it.
 

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I'm going to be honest with you, if you are going to college in America then please do your research first about whether you want to go to an Ivy League university or a regular one, I would choose something you know you would like to pursue but not something you regret. I would not throw away a social life either for studies. I would rather you do both- try to make friends with others and get the best grades possible but don't put too much pressure on yourself. Why? I did that and I burned out. I just couldn't deal with it towards the end and got a lower grade than expected, so you need to break the study material down so you understand in whatever subject you choose. You need to have fun but also study hard as well so you can have a bright future, I only say this because I am a graduate who did a degree and doesn't work in that field but it doesn't mean I regret it. I regret not having enough friends but I studied during the pandemic.

This is great advice, thank you. I think if I were to follow through with something similar to what @Nenestar said (Major in Engineering, minor in math (maybe business), I was worried that I would not have enough time to do anything but study and sleep in school. However, Nenestar also said that it is not as bad as they say it is and you will still have some time for friends, dating, etc.
 

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