Serious Turkey confuses me

[BigDihDiddy]

Whenever I see Turks online that actually live in Turkey they are the most liberal western twinks imaginable

But when it’s a Turk in Europe they are ultra religious bearded nigs

Where are all these twink cel Turks is it a scam?

 

[Deleted Member 85367]

Whenever I see Turks online that actually live in Turkey they are the most liberal western twinks imaginable

But when it’s a Turk in Europe they are ultra religious bearded nigs

Where are all these twink cel Turks is it a scam?

teehee

 

[Deleted Member 107512]

"Europe" is an ill-defined construct and Turks are good evidence for this.

It seems "Europe" is a Christian boy's club as opposed to a meaningful concept. Thrace is seen as "wholly in Europe". Its largest part is in Turkey; there are thus more "European Turks" than Greeks. But some countries like the Netherlands and Italy regard all of Turkey as "non-European". The UK has the opposite approach; this only undermines the concept of a coherent "Europe".

If it wasn't a Christian boy's club, why isn't Russia seen as "aberrant from Europe"?

 

[Deleted Member 107512]

Also, lol at Italy of all places for regarding Turkey as "non-European".

=

 

[Galvatron]

Turks are olive jews

 

[BigDihDiddy]

"Europe" is an ill-defined construct and Turks are good evidence for this.

It seems "Europe" is a Christian boy's club as opposed to a meaningful concept. Thrace is seen as "wholly in Europe". Its largest part is in Turkey; there are thus more "European Turks" than Greeks. But some countries like the Netherlands and Italy regard all of Turkey as "non-European". The UK has the opposite approach; this only undermines the concept of a coherent "Europe".

If it wasn't a Christian boy's club, why isn't Russia seen as "aberrant from Europe"?

I mean yeah Europe in general is a made up continent since it’s also connected to Asia it’s known atp it’s just a small club

 

[eternal love]

"Europe" is an ill-defined construct and Turks are good evidence for this.

It seems "Europe" is a Christian boy's club as opposed to a meaningful concept. Thrace is seen as "wholly in Europe". Its largest part is in Turkey; there are thus more "European Turks" than Greeks. But some countries like the Netherlands and Italy regard all of Turkey as "non-European". The UK has the opposite approach; this only undermines the concept of a coherent "Europe".

If it wasn't a Christian boy's club, why isn't Russia seen as "aberrant from Europe"?

All of your ramblings are ill-defined social-constructs that have no evidence in reality.

 

[eternal love]

If it wasn't a Christian boy's club, why isn't Russia seen as "aberrant from Europe"?

so what you are saying is: russia isn't christian (lol)

 

[BigDihDiddy]

so what you are saying is: russia isn't christian (lol)

Are u the n***a beastimmung from org?

 

[eternal love]

Are u the n***a beastimmung from org?

n***a I'm banned from .org since 2024

 

[Deleted Member 107512]

All of your ramblings are ill-defined social-constructs that have no evidence in reality.

Except my positions are evidence based and yours aren't.

 

[eternal love]

Except my positions are evidence based and yours aren't.

as I said, your ramblings are just social-constructs

 

[Deleted Member 107512]

so what you are saying is: russia isn't christian (lol)

No, Russia has NOTHING in common with half of what is deemed "Europe" and Turkey does. Most of Russia is not in "Europe" just like most of Turkey is not in "Europe". Only one of these are seen as "European" by certain types.

Hint: It's the Christian majority one. That same Christian majority one with a subpopulation that is so genetically drifted that it's hilarious. It isn't the one that is Muslim or has no genetic drift. It's the one with a stupid cross.

 

[eternal love]

No, Russia has NOTHING in common with half of what is deemed "Europe" and Turkey does. Most of Russia is not in "Europe" just like most of Turkey is not in "Europe". Only one of these are seen as "European" by certain types.

Hint: It's the Christian majority one. That same Christian majority one with a subpopulation that is so genetically drifted that it's hilarious. It isn't the one that is Muslim or has no genetic drift. It's the one with a stupid cross.

>Russia has NOTHING in common with half of what is deemed "Europe" and Turkey does

what a retarded shit, Russians are genetically similar to other europeans/whites and they are culturally european. While turkroaches are brown phenotypically and genetically they are middle easterners with slight greek white DNA, culturally they aren't european either.

 

[snow]

I’ve actually been to turkey and it’s more like the latter

 

[Deleted Member 107512]

>Russia has NOTHING in common with half of what is deemed "Europe" and Turkey does

what a retarded shit, Russians are genetically similar to other europeans/whites and they are culturally european. While turkroaches are brown phenotypically and genetically they are middle easterners with slight greek white DNA, culturally they aren't european either.

"Middle East" and "European" aren't meaningful genetic concepts. Also, everything you said is factually incorrect.

Russians are lighter skinned than Mediterranean "Europe". Turks are not differentiated in this manner.

There's substantially more genetic distance between Tuscany/Greece vs Russia than the former two and Turkey.

Genetics are largely CLINAL (why haven't you heard of this term?) and not based on absurd ideologies; where is this large genetic change between Greece and Turkey that doesn't exist? That's right; that's not a thing.

Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East - PMC

We report genome-wide ancient DNA from 44 ancient Near Easterners ranging in time between ~12,000-1,400 BCE, from Natufian hunter-gatherers to Bronze Age farmers. We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We have some genetic distance data from this study.

Russia-Northern Italy: 0.009
Northern Italy-Turkey: 0.005
Turkey-Greece: 0.003
Russia-Greece: 0.008

How can Turkey be meaningfully separated from populations it SHARES MORE ALLELES WITH and how can Russia be included with populations it shares LESS alleles with?

The outlier here is RUSSIA.

Culture of Turkey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Greece - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm pretty sure the most divergent here is Russia AGAIN.

So.....why are we lumping in Russia with Greeks/Italians and excluding Turks from them?

(As an aside, none of the above take statistics on "whiteness". Only Anglosphere countries do such things.)

 

[eternal love]

"Middle East" and "European" aren't meaningful genetic concepts. Also, everything you said is factually incorrect.

View attachment 283612

Russians are lighter skinned than Mediterranean "Europe". Turks are not differentiated in this manner.

View attachment 283613

There's substantially more genetic distance between Tuscany/Greece vs Russia than the former two and Turkey.

Genetics are largely CLINAL (why haven't you heard of this term?) and not based on absurd ideologies; where is this large genetic change between Greece and Turkey that doesn't exist? That's right; that's not a thing.

Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East - PMC

We report genome-wide ancient DNA from 44 ancient Near Easterners ranging in time between ~12,000-1,400 BCE, from Natufian hunter-gatherers to Bronze Age farmers. We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We have some genetic distance data from this study.

Russia-Northern Italy: 0.009
Northern Italy-Turkey: 0.005
Turkey-Greece: 0.003
Russia-Greece: 0.008

How can Turkey be meaningfully separated from populations it SHARES MORE ALLELES WITH and how can Russia be included with populations it shares LESS alleles with?

The outlier here is RUSSIA.

Culture of Turkey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Greece - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm pretty sure the most divergent here is Russia AGAIN.

So.....why are we lumping in Russia with Greeks/Italians and excluding Turks from them?

(As an aside, none of the above take statistics on "whiteness". Only Anglosphere countries do such things.)

you didn't even try to debunk anything, you just said I'm wrong and gave some irrelevant links and a photo that has nothing to do with the debate

 

[xalapa]

turkey made a genocide to armenian people like hitler did to the jew and turskish stole the lands of the armenians in 1915

 

[Deleted Member 107512]

1. “Russians are genetically similar to other Europeans / whites”
Half-true, half-false — and selectively framed.
There isn’t one Russian population. Russia spans:
Western/Central Russians (closer to Poles, Ukrainians, Balts)
Northern Russians (Pinezhsky, Leshukonsky, etc.) with strong Finnic drift
Volga populations with Uralic admixture
In actual FST/PCA terms:
Central Russians ≈ Poles/Belarusians (low FST)
Northern Russians are as drifted from Slavs as Finns are
Northern Russians are more distant from Italians/Greeks than Turks, Armenians, Syrians, etc. are
So the claim “Russians are genetically similar to other Europeans” only holds if you:
cherry-pick Western Russians
define “Europeans” as Eastern/Northern Slavs only
It fails the moment you include:
Southern Europe (Italy, Greece)
Mediterranean Europe
Uralic-influenced Russians
So the special pleading is already baked in.
2. “Turks are brown phenotypically and genetically Middle Easterners with slight Greek DNA”
This is pure fantasy-tier racial ideology, not population genetics.
Genetically:
Turks (Anatolian Turks) are predominantly Western Eurasian, composed mainly of:
Anatolian Neolithic
Caucasus/Iran-related
Steppe
plus minor Central/East Asian ancestry (~5–20%)
In FST terms (ballpark, varies by dataset):
Turks–Greeks: ~0.002–0.004
Turks–Bulgarians/Romanians: ~0.005–0.006
Turks–Italians: ~0.003–0.006
Turks–Northern Europeans: ~0.008–0.01
That is normal regional variation, not a “racial boundary”.
Calling Turks “genetically Middle Easterners with slight Greek DNA” is wrong in both directions:
They’re not Levantine/Arabian-like (Saudis, Yemenis, Bedouin B are much more divergent)
They’re not “Greeks with a bit of DNA” either
They are Anatolians with layered ancestry, continuous with the Balkans and Eastern Med.
Phenotype:
“Brown phenotypically” is meaningless.
Turks span:
pale → olive → light brown (same as Greeks, Italians, Levantines)
So do:
Greeks
Sicilians
Lebanese
Armenians
No phenotypic boundary exists at the Bosphorus.
The idea that Turks are “brown” while Greeks are “white” is 19th-century race pseudo-science recycled for internet edgelords.
3. “Culturally Russians are European, Turks aren’t”
This is civilizational gatekeeping, not anthropology.
Culture ≠ genetics, but even culturally:
Russia:
Orthodox Christianity
Byzantine-derived traditions
Steppe + Slavic + Finno-Ugric influences
Turkey:
Islamic civilisation
Ottoman + Byzantine + Persian layers
Eastern Mediterranean, Balkan, Anatolian continuity
Both are borderland civilisations, not pure anything.
If “European” = “Christian”, then:
Albanians
Bosniaks
Kosovo Albanians
suddenly become “non-European” too.
So the definition of “European culture” here is:
“Whatever aligns with my racial preferences.”
That’s not a cultural argument. It’s vibes-based exclusion.
4. The hidden special pleading: Russia gets a free pass
Here’s the real inconsistency you exposed:
Russia has:
Uralic ancestry
East Eurasian input in many regions
Strong internal drift
Yet Russia is considered “fully European” by these people
Meanwhile:
Turkey has:
More genetic affinity to Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Italians
Less East Eurasian than Northern Russians
Yet Turkey is framed as “racially foreign”
So the actual rule isn’t genetics or culture.
It’s:
Christian empire + whiteness myth = in
Muslim empire + Ottoman memory = out
This is civilizational prejudice, not science.
5. The core logical failure
If this person were consistent, they would have to accept at least one of these:
Either Northern Russians are “less European” than Turks genetically
OR
“European” is not a genetic category at all
They want neither, so they invent a racial fairy tale:
Russians = white Europeans
Turks = brown Middle Easterners with some stolen Greek DNA
That story exists only to protect identity boundaries. It collapses instantly when you show real data.

 

[Deleted Member 107512]

you didn't even try to debunk anything, you just said I'm wrong and gave some irrelevant links and a photo that has nothing to do with the debate

You're an illiterate. I posted maps, links and data and this is the best you can do?

 

[eternal love]

1. “Russians are genetically similar to other Europeans / whites”
Half-true, half-false — and selectively framed.
There isn’t one Russian population. Russia spans:
Western/Central Russians (closer to Poles, Ukrainians, Balts)
Northern Russians (Pinezhsky, Leshukonsky, etc.) with strong Finnic drift
Volga populations with Uralic admixture
In actual FST/PCA terms:
Central Russians ≈ Poles/Belarusians (low FST)
Northern Russians are as drifted from Slavs as Finns are
Northern Russians are more distant from Italians/Greeks than Turks, Armenians, Syrians, etc. are
So the claim “Russians are genetically similar to other Europeans” only holds if you:
cherry-pick Western Russians
define “Europeans” as Eastern/Northern Slavs only
It fails the moment you include:
Southern Europe (Italy, Greece)
Mediterranean Europe
Uralic-influenced Russians
So the special pleading is already baked in.
2. “Turks are brown phenotypically and genetically Middle Easterners with slight Greek DNA”
This is pure fantasy-tier racial ideology, not population genetics.
Genetically:
Turks (Anatolian Turks) are predominantly Western Eurasian, composed mainly of:
Anatolian Neolithic
Caucasus/Iran-related
Steppe
plus minor Central/East Asian ancestry (~5–20%)
In FST terms (ballpark, varies by dataset):
Turks–Greeks: ~0.002–0.004
Turks–Bulgarians/Romanians: ~0.005–0.006
Turks–Italians: ~0.003–0.006
Turks–Northern Europeans: ~0.008–0.01
That is normal regional variation, not a “racial boundary”.
Calling Turks “genetically Middle Easterners with slight Greek DNA” is wrong in both directions:
They’re not Levantine/Arabian-like (Saudis, Yemenis, Bedouin B are much more divergent)
They’re not “Greeks with a bit of DNA” either
They are Anatolians with layered ancestry, continuous with the Balkans and Eastern Med.
Phenotype:
“Brown phenotypically” is meaningless.
Turks span:
pale → olive → light brown (same as Greeks, Italians, Levantines)
So do:
Greeks
Sicilians
Lebanese
Armenians
No phenotypic boundary exists at the Bosphorus.
The idea that Turks are “brown” while Greeks are “white” is 19th-century race pseudo-science recycled for internet edgelords.
3. “Culturally Russians are European, Turks aren’t”
This is civilizational gatekeeping, not anthropology.
Culture ≠ genetics, but even culturally:
Russia:
Orthodox Christianity
Byzantine-derived traditions
Steppe + Slavic + Finno-Ugric influences
Turkey:
Islamic civilisation
Ottoman + Byzantine + Persian layers
Eastern Mediterranean, Balkan, Anatolian continuity
Both are borderland civilisations, not pure anything.
If “European” = “Christian”, then:
Albanians
Bosniaks
Kosovo Albanians
suddenly become “non-European” too.
So the definition of “European culture” here is:
“Whatever aligns with my racial preferences.”
That’s not a cultural argument. It’s vibes-based exclusion.
4. The hidden special pleading: Russia gets a free pass
Here’s the real inconsistency you exposed:
Russia has:
Uralic ancestry
East Eurasian input in many regions
Strong internal drift
Yet Russia is considered “fully European” by these people
Meanwhile:
Turkey has:
More genetic affinity to Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Italians
Less East Eurasian than Northern Russians
Yet Turkey is framed as “racially foreign”
So the actual rule isn’t genetics or culture.
It’s:
Christian empire + whiteness myth = in
Muslim empire + Ottoman memory = out
This is civilizational prejudice, not science.
5. The core logical failure
If this person were consistent, they would have to accept at least one of these:
Either Northern Russians are “less European” than Turks genetically
OR
“European” is not a genetic category at all
They want neither, so they invent a racial fairy tale:
Russians = white Europeans
Turks = brown Middle Easterners with some stolen Greek DNA
That story exists only to protect identity boundaries. It collapses instantly when you show real data.

all debunked simply by this

 

[eternal love]

You're an illiterate. I posted maps, links and data and this is the best you can do?

you posted map that is linked to skin color (not genetics/culture), your links and data also barely have any connection with the topic

 

[Chifuyu]

"Middle East" and "European" aren't meaningful genetic concepts. Also, everything you said is factually incorrect.

View attachment 283612

Russians are lighter skinned than Mediterranean "Europe". Turks are not differentiated in this manner.

View attachment 283613

There's substantially more genetic distance between Tuscany/Greece vs Russia than the former two and Turkey.

Genetics are largely CLINAL (why haven't you heard of this term?) and not based on absurd ideologies; where is this large genetic change between Greece and Turkey that doesn't exist? That's right; that's not a thing.

Genomic insights into the origin of farming in the ancient Near East - PMC

We report genome-wide ancient DNA from 44 ancient Near Easterners ranging in time between ~12,000-1,400 BCE, from Natufian hunter-gatherers to Bronze Age farmers. We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We have some genetic distance data from this study.

Russia-Northern Italy: 0.009
Northern Italy-Turkey: 0.005
Turkey-Greece: 0.003
Russia-Greece: 0.008

How can Turkey be meaningfully separated from populations it SHARES MORE ALLELES WITH and how can Russia be included with populations it shares LESS alleles with?

The outlier here is RUSSIA.

Culture of Turkey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Greece - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Culture of Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm pretty sure the most divergent here is Russia AGAIN.

So.....why are we lumping in Russia with Greeks/Italians and excluding Turks from them?

(As an aside, none of the above take statistics on "whiteness". Only Anglosphere countries do such things.)

Are you turkish