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First off, there's is almost no definitive way to say someone is 100% natty today, so instead, we must trace back to before any testosterone, or steroids ever existed.
TLDR: the only real nattys were the bronze age bodybuilders
some of the best physiques:
some LIKELY female nattys:
modern example:
DIVING DEEPER INTO THE SPECIFICS
FFMI (fat-free mass index) - a metric that measures your muscle mass relative to your height and body fat percentage
Maximum Muscle Potential — What is your genetic muscular potential? https://share.google/tZmcBclCbEuSyzgDl
for those who dont like to read, 25 FFMI is considered the upper natural limit, with genetic anomalies reaching as high as 27. It's safe to say you probably won't reach this mark without steroids
To put it into visual perspective, zyzz had an estimated ffmi of around 24.
Now of course this is where measurements become iffy
Visually there's obvious cues to some roiding. The basic idea is that you can have a max of 2 out of the 3 of these things: size, vascularity, and leanness. Without use of roids this will be pretty hard to attain, but not completley put of the question
FFMI Calculator https://share.google/XqLlm300PpuAG6scO
ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR LIMITS
We all know genetics are important, otherwise you wouldn't be on here. It's important to note that you will be limited by your genetics. For example if we got back a bit, look at zyzz. Does he look great? Yes, of course, but is he some Ronnie Coleman look a like? No. Your size is still genetically limited even on roids. In fact there are some ped users who look natty and will never look like they "should"
Here I wanna get into something often overlooked, the role ethnicity plays in bodybuilding.
To tldr each race has different strong suits. I'll make a little ranking for what I'd say to be the best and worst bodybuilding genetics.
1.blacks
2.whites
3.latins
4.east Asians
5. South Asians
Not including people like the samoans (who have very good genetics btw) and north Americans.
RISKS
Before getting into this, yes you can manage the risks of steroid usage, however, you'll never be able to run from it all, and it takes incredible amounts of research and dedication.
Foids - you can grow a dick (that should be enough to put all 3 of you considering it off)
Moids - acne, mood swings, hyperventilating, insomnia, bacne, testicular shrinkage, erectile disfunction, cardiovascular issues, development of gyno, organ failure, paranoia, addiction
Performance-enhancing drugs: Know the risks - Mayo Clinic https://share.google/5UrR1uv4hwl1xrjz4
What Are the Risks of Steroid Use? (for Teens) | Nemours KidsHealth https://share.google/GCQJOYp0MfY6L3AnJ
WHAT IS ATTAINABLE WITHOUT THE GYM?
This isnt entirely related, I just saw a similar thread about gymcelling as a poorcel and it reminded me of one man: Alexander Zass
Basically he created his own weights basing his exercises off of books he read. He used stones and sticks to made weights, combing this with progressive overload and a healthy whole diet.
Eventually, he begun to use seals from trains to melt them down and forge dumbells, 2 of different weights.
Even when this man went to a gulag, he never stopped working out. He used his shackles and the bars of his cells to train. Thos eventually saved his life, as he managed to escape by breaking his chains and bars (which he has been losenig previously)
Honestly watch the video his story is crazy.
remember a real gym always mogs, and he is a genetic anomaly
GOOD CHANNELS TO LEARN MORE:
youtube.com
https://youtube.com/@philion?si=u97AJMT0EVf-y07b (his old videos were better)
@Newday thoughts?
TLDR: the only real nattys were the bronze age bodybuilders
some of the best physiques:
some LIKELY female nattys:
modern example:
DIVING DEEPER INTO THE SPECIFICS
FFMI (fat-free mass index) - a metric that measures your muscle mass relative to your height and body fat percentage
Maximum Muscle Potential — What is your genetic muscular potential? https://share.google/tZmcBclCbEuSyzgDl
for those who dont like to read, 25 FFMI is considered the upper natural limit, with genetic anomalies reaching as high as 27. It's safe to say you probably won't reach this mark without steroids
To put it into visual perspective, zyzz had an estimated ffmi of around 24.
Now of course this is where measurements become iffy
Visually there's obvious cues to some roiding. The basic idea is that you can have a max of 2 out of the 3 of these things: size, vascularity, and leanness. Without use of roids this will be pretty hard to attain, but not completley put of the question
FFMI Calculator https://share.google/XqLlm300PpuAG6scO
ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR LIMITS
We all know genetics are important, otherwise you wouldn't be on here. It's important to note that you will be limited by your genetics. For example if we got back a bit, look at zyzz. Does he look great? Yes, of course, but is he some Ronnie Coleman look a like? No. Your size is still genetically limited even on roids. In fact there are some ped users who look natty and will never look like they "should"
Here I wanna get into something often overlooked, the role ethnicity plays in bodybuilding.
To tldr each race has different strong suits. I'll make a little ranking for what I'd say to be the best and worst bodybuilding genetics.
1.blacks
2.whites
3.latins
4.east Asians
5. South Asians
Not including people like the samoans (who have very good genetics btw) and north Americans.
RISKS
Before getting into this, yes you can manage the risks of steroid usage, however, you'll never be able to run from it all, and it takes incredible amounts of research and dedication.
Foids - you can grow a dick (that should be enough to put all 3 of you considering it off)
Moids - acne, mood swings, hyperventilating, insomnia, bacne, testicular shrinkage, erectile disfunction, cardiovascular issues, development of gyno, organ failure, paranoia, addiction
Performance-enhancing drugs: Know the risks - Mayo Clinic https://share.google/5UrR1uv4hwl1xrjz4
What Are the Risks of Steroid Use? (for Teens) | Nemours KidsHealth https://share.google/GCQJOYp0MfY6L3AnJ
WHAT IS ATTAINABLE WITHOUT THE GYM?
This isnt entirely related, I just saw a similar thread about gymcelling as a poorcel and it reminded me of one man: Alexander Zass
Basically he created his own weights basing his exercises off of books he read. He used stones and sticks to made weights, combing this with progressive overload and a healthy whole diet.
Eventually, he begun to use seals from trains to melt them down and forge dumbells, 2 of different weights.
Even when this man went to a gulag, he never stopped working out. He used his shackles and the bars of his cells to train. Thos eventually saved his life, as he managed to escape by breaking his chains and bars (which he has been losenig previously)
Honestly watch the video his story is crazy.
remember a real gym always mogs, and he is a genetic anomaly
GOOD CHANNELS TO LEARN MORE:
Natty Life
Bodybuilding History - Bronze & Silver Era Enthusiast For more about me and my journey, check out my second channel: My Natty Life
youtube.com
https://youtube.com/@philion?si=u97AJMT0EVf-y07b (his old videos were better)
@Newday thoughts?
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