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Yes im well aware of that fact! What makes us North Indians special is that we’re a part of a large genetic cocktail. With the 3 main contributors being Steppe_MLBA, AASI, and Iranian farmer. By virtue of our origin point being quite similar I suspect we’re high in the steppe pastoralist and Iranian admixture and low in the AASI/onge part. The genetic distance part was quite interesting.
Wow! I had no idea you were familiar with those terms. But I'm glad you're aware of our great genetic diversity. Here's a genetic PCA plot of South Asians (this plot actually includes Central Asian populations and some other non-Indo Aryans, so I figured to get rid of those).
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Interesting read!
Rors have the most Steppe DNA, closely followed by Jats. You probably have 30ish% Steppe, 19ish% SAHG and the rest would be Farmer. I, too, am a Farmer-heavy kang.‘Just be high in steppe DNA bro’ brutal
The most interesting thing would be your haplogroups but I don't know which haplogroups are typical of Khatris. Even I have haplogroups that aren't common in my ethnic group.
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I had no idea but willing to look into it. Any sources would be greatly appreciated. The way I work it out in my mind is the AASI represents the Dravidian population more or less. Or whatever it was called before more nuanced models followed..
You'd have to take a DNA test, I am not sure which companies ship to India but the main companies don't. Do you have plans of going to the west, whether it's for studying or something else? Ah right, well, SAHG peaks in Dravidians, with the Paniya having 70% SAHG but Dravidians also have good amounts of Farmer ancestry, while having low to no Steppe. Farmer peaks in Baloch and Brahui (linguistically Dravidian, ethnically Iranic), with them having probably having 65+% Farmer, but they also have very low SAHG. Steppe peaks in Slavic peoples, but in a South Asian context, it peaks in Rors (40-45ish%). What else do you know in terms of genetics/history?
You’re quite knowledgeable, it’s like I’ve finally found the person to talk to this about! I think you sum up all of the information I have pretty well, in a much more articulate manner by the way. I’ve also concerned myself with some of the sociological consequences of this fact. With the rising racism against Indians online and so on. I think the stereotypical person you have in your head is the high AASI low inhib uncle Ykwim? It’s quite unfortunate for the rest of us. I’ve had some (I would presume, high steppe) frnds perhaps a little up north (Kashmir?) that are much fairer than the average southern european, does that make sense? It’s as you pointed out, higher genetic variance between two villages in north India than all of Europe combined.
I, too, was delighted when I found out you were interested in this stuff! Initially, I didn't think you were, but I'm glad to have been wrong. Ha, thanks for the nice words. Yes, there's a lot of racism towards South Asians. I'd call for South Asian unity, but let's be honest, South Asians typically don't get along (not you and I, but other people in our countries). If they're Kashmiris, you'd be delighted to know that Kashmiris actually have quite a bit of SAHG/AASI, usually around 30%. That's why people like to say, "phenotype =/= genotype." Even the high Steppe uncles can look like an average north Indian uncle, it's quite funny. But yes, it makes sense. I've seen the diversity in phenotypes, not just in South Asia at large, but even within my family. One of my relatives is a boy with, get this.. green eyes, blond hair and light skin, and his grandmother is as dark as the night sky. It was so funny, to me, to see such a contrast between them. But of course, both the boy and his grandmother are outliers in my family. Most of us are usually medium brown, but some have nearly Dravidian type coloring. Personally, I like the diversity.
‘South Asian unity’ is an oxymoron. It’s just not possible, haha. Also could you elaborate wym by the kashmiris having high AASI topic? As far as I knew they had high steppe? Look into the ‘Indo Nordic’ phenotype. Perhaps, im wrong though. I totally get what you mean by the way! It’s so interesting to me. Impossible to believe but a friend of mine from Punjab has the bluest eyes and is extremely pale. Both his parents look like the average gracile indid phenotype. Genetic reshuffling is truly interesting!I, too, was delighted when I found out you were interested in this stuff! Initially, I didn't think you were, but I'm glad to have been wrong. Ha, thanks for the nice words. Yes, there's a lot of racism towards South Asians. I'd call for South Asian unity, but let's be honest, South Asians typically don't get along (not you and I, but other people in our countries). If they're Kashmiris, you'd be delighted to know that Kashmiris actually have quite a bit of SAHG/AASI, usually around 30%. That's why people like to say, "phenotype =/= genotype." Even the high Steppe uncles can look like an average north Indian uncle, it's quite funny. But yes, it makes sense. I've seen the diversity in phenotypes, not just in South Asia at large, but even within my family. One of my relatives is a boy with, get this.. green eyes, blond hair and light skin, and his grandmother is as dark as the night sky. It was so funny, to me, to see such a contrast between them. But of course, both the boy and his grandmother are outliers in my family. Most of us are usually medium brown, but some have nearly Dravidian type coloring. Personally, I like the diversity.
Haha precisely, it really isn't possible. But in our defense, South Asia was always home to different kingdoms, and not a single unit (it only became 'united' under the British). No, Kashmiris don't have high Steppe! That's why it's quite surprising. They have around 30% SAHG, whereas you and I have low 20s SAHG (you probably have even lower SAHG than me as you're Khatri). You either have similar levels of Steppe to Kashmiris or slightly more, not entirely sure. The reason why Kashmiris are atypical is most likely because of geography (they live in high altitude places) as well as sexual selection. It's actually not impossible to believe, at least not for me, because I know a Punjabi family from Lahore and they both have T50 eyes and black hair, but their second and youngest son has blue-gray eyes and dark brown hair. That's because one of their granduncles (as in, a sibling of their grandparent) had that coloring as well. So in a way, the coloring does make sense. Unlike that of the boy in my family which I mentioned, because neither his parents nor his grandparents look like that, so it's interesting/surprising. In fact, I didn't even register him as a family member considering his unique coloring until I saw him at a relative's house I was visiting, and it turned out he was the grandson of the woman whose house we were at. At first, I thought he was just a random villager. He was a nice kiddo, he said hi to me even though he didn't know me (this took place in Pakistan btw).
Interesting addition bhaijaan
Ah! That’s interesting, real time proof of the genotype not equal to phenotype thing. I will look into the topic of genotype in kashmiris. Hah, sounds like a cute kid!
Precisely, genotype =/= phenotype. I'll show you the high Steppe uncle later, you'll see what I mean. Kashmiris also have some East Asian ancestry, I'm willing to bet it comes from a Tibetan admixture (it's the same for Bengalis, they have 15-20% East Asian ancestry from a Tibetan source). Speaking of Kashmiris, I forgot to mention this but my family migrated from Jammu into the Potohar Plateau in Pakistan over 200 years ago. I'm not ethnically Kashmiri though.
That’s quite interesting the fact that your family migrated from Kashmir. Did you get a genetic test done? I’d be happy to see the results perhaps in dm’s? To answer your question btw (totally missed it, my bad) I’d be willing to get a genetic test if I move west, sure. That’s the plan
Yes, I had a genetic test done, and I tested my relatives, too. I'll tell you more in DMs. And great! You certainly should. I know there might be some lesser-known companies who ship to India, but the best companies will not. That's why it's better to have it done here in the west (or if you know someone in your family who's outside of India and plans on visiting soon, you can ask if they are willing to sponsor a DNA kit).
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