What surgeries do I need?

[AlFa]

Hi, hope everyone’s well. I’ll be addressing my infraorbital/eye area in the near future through under eye grafts and canthoplasty (and possible midface lift), so I’m not asking for advice pertaining to that.

What I am conflicted about is that some users in this forum have brought up that my entire skull shape is fucked. For example it isn’t just my infraorbital area but my entire upper maxilla that is recessed and this must be surgically corrected to get anywhere near even MTN.

One of the surgeries that was brought up was bimax. However, I’ve heard too much conflicting advice in this community, some saying I’ll need to almost reconstruct my face through surgery, some telling me all I need to do is address my eye area and softmax and I’m good. Others have mentioned various implants (jaw, zygo, supraorbital, chin, etc).

I’ve also included two morphs/visualisations of me with a better eye area.

Thoughts and advice?




Visualisation with better eye area:

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

fix ur hair lowkey

 

[over0]

When you dk what pose to do so you lowkey have to hit that ER

 

[Nbernical]

When you dk what pose to do so you lowkey have to hit that ER
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I thought the same when I saw this

 

[AlFa]

Any input?

 

[Nbernical]

Any input?

Why would you need any surgeries? I don't see your issue

 

[AlFa]

Why would you need any surgeries? I don't see your issue

Same here, but honestly I think I'm going crazy because so many of these blackpillers are dead-on insisting I need maxillofacial surgeries to "ascend to MTN", otherwise I'm capped at low LTN/subhuman.

If somebody can give me an answer that is grounded in reality I'd appreciate it.

 

[Nbernical]

Same here, but honestly I think I'm going crazy because so many of these blackpillers are dead-on insisting I need maxillofacial surgeries to "ascend to MTN", otherwise I'm capped at low LTN/subhuman.

If somebody can give me an answer that is grounded in reality I'd appreciate it.

You're not LTN or subhuman. Don't spend money on unnecessary surgeries. People love to hate, don't let it get yo your head

 

[AlFa]

You're not LTN or subhuman. Don't spend money on unnecessary surgeries. People love to hate, don't let it get yo your head

That would be my conclusion too, but I've seen people get rated as genuine HTN, CL, etc, so I'm assuming that they're saying what they really think. in accordance with some criteria and aren't pulling things out of their arses.

If they think I'm genuinely ugly that too must be for a reason?

 

[Nbernical]

That would be my conclusion too, but I've seen people get rated as genuine HTN, CL, etc, so I'm assuming that they're saying what they really think. in accordance with some criteria and aren't pulling things out of their arses.

If they think I'm genuinely ugly that too must be for a reason?

Where did you ask for a rating?

 

[AlFa]

Where did you ask for a rating?

Latest was two days ago but I didn't actually ask for it, I was asking for advice. People just started pushing LTN labels onto me.

I also asked a couple of months ago on org, and in some discord servers.

 

[Nbernical]

Latest was two days ago but I didn't actually ask for it, I was asking for advice. People just started pushing LTN labels, etc, onto me.

I also asked a couple of months ago on org, and in some discord servers.

I'm not good at rating, but looking at your pictured i'd say you don't need surgeries. Focus on other things

 

[AlFa]

Ig the crux of the matter is whether my maxilla really is recessed enough to cap me at multiple PSLs below what I would otherwise be. Because I have heard this multiple times.

I also think there's something seriously wrong with me because people are dead-serious about me being ugly even in photos where I don't see how anybody can think that.

 

[AlFa]

Input from more people?

 

[Striking_4]

Htn after eye improvement

 

[AlFa]

fix ur hair lowkey

I won’t be shortening my hair until my illness is cured, but what do you recommend I do with it either now, or afterwards?

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

I won’t be shortening my hair until my illness is cured, but what do you recommend I do with it either now, or afterwards?

just a short cut that suits ur face shape since u look very charming already, put as solution plz by cliking 0

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

just a short cut that suits ur face shape since u look very charming already, put as solution plz by cliking 0

@RRM look what i gottttt

 

[AlFa]

just a short cut that suits ur face shape since u look very charming already, put as solution plz by cliking 0

I’m currently thinking warrior cut with no fade

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

I’m currently thinking warrior cut

i think that would suit u very much

 

[AlFa]

Once again I’m going to shill these comments because I do intend to make decisions based on things said in this forum and I need to be sure they’re right.

 

[AlFa]

Once again I’m going to shill these comments because I do intend to make decisions based on things said in this forum and I need to be sure they’re right.

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Thoughts on this?

 

[AlFa]

I also found these photos from when I was way leaner, you can see p much every bone in my face. Any maxillary recessions that warrant surgery?

 

[Nbernical]

just a short cut that suits ur face shape since u look very charming already, put as solution plz by cliking 0

?????? how is this solution n***a @TonyDr ban this n***a for 100000 decades

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

?????? how is this solution n***a @TonyDr ban this n***a for 100000 decades

Stoppppppppp I was confident and confidence is key

 

[AlFa]

Once again I’m going to shill these comments because I do intend to make decisions based on things said in this forum and I need to be sure they’re right.

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@Nbernical @𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽

What do you guys think?

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

@Nbernical @𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽

What do you guys think?

Ur bones are Soo good

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

?????? how is this solution n***a @TonyDr ban this n***a for 100000 decades

Fuck U, he took it away u little dog

 

[Nbernical]

Fuck U, he took it away u little dog

Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahah fuck u

 

[AlFa]

Ur bones are Soo good

Yeah but at the same time I’m getting called LTN in spite of them, or capped at MTN even if I hardmax my bones and eyes. I don’t know what to do or believe

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahah fuck u

I haytede youuuuu

 

[Nbernical]

@Nbernical @𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽

What do you guys think?

Mandible ain't even that bad, but eye area can be improved lots through surgery

 

[AlFa]

Mandible ain't even that bad, but eye area can be improved lots through surgery

Yeah I have made clear the eyes are something that will be surgically corrected (medical). Once again according to some users I need to hardmax my eyes, upper maxilla and jaw to even touch MTN

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

Yeah but at the same time I’m getting called LTN in spite of them, or capped at MTN even if I hardmax my bones and eyes. I don’t know what to do or believe

Prob cuz eye erea is bad, although what U need to do to ascend it workout and work on it body a little, shape brows,get a good haircut and style change eit to SMT better that suits U in I can see there's scars on Ur cheek get some skin care laroche posay is good and vitamin C to fade the scars, this deserves solution tbh

 

[Nbernical]

Yeah I have made clear the eyes are something that will be surgically corrected. Once again according to some users I need to hardmax my eyes, upper maxilla and jaw to even touch MTN

They are retarded

 

[AlFa]

Prob cuz eye erea is bad, although what U need to do to ascend it workout and work on it body a little, shape brows,get a good haircut and style change eit to SMT better that suits U in I can see there's scars on Ur cheek get some skin care laroche posay is good and vitamin C to fade the scars, this deserves solution tbh

What do you think my potential, assuming eye area fix and all the softmaxes, is?

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

What do you think my potential, assuming eye area fix and all the softmaxes, is?

Lhmt, idk but Ur face bone shape is good, just needs help on eye erea and it includes surgery sadly ALSO SOLUTION I DESERVE IT

 

[AlFa]

Lhmt, idk but Ur face bone shape is good, just needs help on eye erea and it includes surgery sadly ALSO SOLUTION I DESERVE IT

What’s a lhmt?

 

[Nbernical]

Lhmt

explain the words you just uttered Lola

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

What’s a lhmt?

Low high teir Normie sorry miss clicked TF was I on abt ALSO I DEESEVE SOLUTION

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

explain the words you just uttered Lola

IM IN THE BATH RN LIVEE ALONE

 

[AlFa]

Low high teir Normie sorry miss clicked TF was I on abt ALSO I DEESEVE SOLUTION

That’s believable. Do you think it’s impossible for me to just about scrape CL?

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

That’s believable. Do you think it’s impossible for me to just about scrape CL?

Prob not W the eye erea, maybe lhtn or medium high tier Normie STOP INGORING AND GIVE SOLUTIONNNNN

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

Prob cuz eye erea is bad, although what U need to do to ascend it workout and work on it body a little, shape brows,get a good haircut and style change eit to SMT better that suits U in I can see there's scars on Ur cheek get some skin care laroche posay is good and vitamin C to fade the scars, this deserves solution tbh

Thank you

 

[AlFa]

Prob not W the eye erea, maybe lhtn or medium high tier Normie STOP INGORING AND GIVE SOLUTIONNNNN

I did lol. I also did say eye area fix is 100% going to happen and want to take that into account as well

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

That’s believable. Do you think it’s impossible for me to just about scrape CL?

Best to do is not to expect much cuz it'll ruin Ur tendency to Being more consistent be consistent with lil progress, fix skin, and if U wanna hard Maxx maybe surgery for eyes

 

[AlFa]

Yeah my eyes are a medical problem too so healthcare will take care of them

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

I did lol. I also did say eye area fix is 100% going to happen and want to take that into account as well

U already got good bones tbh and just he hair holding U back U prob can reach hhtn which is high high tier Normie, if U hard Maxx plus max all Ur stats prob yeah ngl I can see cl

 

[AlFa]

U already got good bones tbh and just he hair holding U back U prob can reach hhtn which is high high tier Normie, if U hard Maxx plus max all Ur stats prob yeah ngl I can see cl

Yeah, it is going to take a ton of work. I will take heed of not holding high expectations and just work on improving.

I’m also not superficial and I don’t want to spend ages fixating over my looks, I have goals to accomplish so that will prob cap me a little below my potential.

I’m also pissed at the various users gaslighting me into thinking my bones, jaw, harmony, etc is absolutely fucked (independent of my eyes) because, for one, it’s not conducive to helping me improve, and even worse, it’s not even grounded in reality.

Anyone who has said something like this, from the bottom of my heart, fuck you.

 

[𝐿𝑜𝓁𝒶𝒜𝓃𝓃𝒶𝒽]

Yeah, it is going to take a ton of work. I will take heed of not holding high expectations and just work on improving.

I’m also not superficial and I don’t want to spend ages fixating over my looks, I have goals to accomplish so that will prob cap me a little below my potential.

I’m also pissed at the various users gaslighting me into thinking my bones, jaw, harmony, etc is absolutely fucked (independent of my eyes) because, for one, it’s not conducive to helping me improve, and even worse, it’s not even grounded in reality.

Anyone who has said something like this, from the bottom of my heart, fuck you.

Good job man I totally agree on what I decide on, don't listen to weirdos who's insecure tbh, were all here to improve.