when girls talk about the patriarchy

[naomimisora]

dont feel like arguing believe what you like its not all bad of course but it still hurts everyone except maybe a tiny minority

YOURE BACK

 

[arniedagoats]

I could say so many things rn fuck youre so good at ragebaiting

im never ragebaiting when i talk about things like this but what i said is true

 

[leea]

im never ragebaiting when i talk about things like this but what i said is true

Patriarchy is going agaisnt the human nature

 

[arniedagoats]

how

Patriarchy is going agaisnt the human nature

 

[esoteric]

hows it doing that?

not getting into it vro use your big boy thinking skills

 

[leea]

how

humans naturally have individual desires emotions ambitions and a need for autonomy. Yet patriarchal gender roles try to place people into rigid categories like women are expected to be submissive, nurturing, and focused on caregiving, while men are expected to be dominant, and providers. That suppresses individuality and forces people to behave according to their sex rather than who they actually are wich makes most people live miserably in such a setting

 

[arniedagoats]

humans naturally have individual desires emotions ambitions and a need for autonomy. Yet patriarchal gender roles try to place people into rigid categories like women are expected to be submissive, nurturing, and focused on caregiving, while men are expected to be dominant, and providers. That suppresses individuality and forces people to behave according to their sex rather than who they actually are wich makes most people live miserably in such a setting

literal bullshit
it puts people there were their sthrengts lie and what is most efficient
its natural for women to raise the children and care for them while the men go out into the workforce

 

[The Centipede]

I just do whatever the fuck I want.

 

[leea]

literal bullshit
it puts people there were their sthrengts lie and what is most efficient
its natural for women to raise the children and care for them while the men go out into the workforce

Roles should be based on each individual strengths,and choices, not automatically assigned by sex. Even if men are stronger on average and women have the biological ability to bear children, most modern jobs dont require significant physical strength so that difference is largely irrelevant to many career options nowadays

 

[arniedagoats]

Roles should be based on each individual strengths,and choices, not automatically assigned by sex. Even if men are stronger on average and women have the biological ability to bear children, most modern jobs dont require significant physical strength so that difference is largely irrelevant to many career options nowadays

its about the fact that women are better at certain things, which is why we should put them were they are best, which is at home. one has to raise the kids, and its natural for women, and women are better at it, so they should do it. menn are better at working and stuff like that, so they should do it

 

[leea]

its about the fact that women are better at certain things, which is why we should put them were they are best, which is at home. one has to raise the kids, and its natural for women, and women are better at it, so they should do it. menn are better at working and stuff like that, so they should do it

Better at average doesnt mean everyone is suited for it. What the fuck is wrong with people choosing what to do with their fucking lives

 

[Overthrown]

its about the fact that women are better at certain things,

Correct, so where should we “put” the women who are good at leading and other activities aside from raising kids? Surely not locking them inside of a household because of a pseudoscientific label

which is why we should put them were they are best, which is at home. one has to raise the kids, and its natural for women, and women are better at it, so they should do it. menn are better at working and stuff like that, so they should do it

Maternity leave exists solely because of the time women need to raise kids. Everyone agrees women should take care of themselves and their child for a long time after birth, but the way you think about these things are flawed. Just because it’s natural for a woman to give birth doesn’t mean it’s natural for her to be some homemaker who can’t leave the house and explore her own passions

 

[arniedagoats]

Correct, so where should we “put” the women who are good at leading? Surely not locking them inside of a household because of a pseudoscientific label

gender roles dont force women to stay at home

Maternity leave exists solely because of the time women need to raise kids. Everyone agrees women should take care of themselves and their child for a long time after birth, but the way you think about these things are flawed. Just because it’s natural for a woman to give birth doesn’t mean it’s natural for her to be some homemaker who can’t leave the house and explore her own passions

its natural for women to raise their kids and stay at home, so also being a homemaker is just logically what she should do as the man isnt home to do it

 

[Overthrown]

Better at average doesnt mean everyone is suited for it. What the fuck is wrong with people choosing what to do with their fucking lives

There are many women who have hated raising children because they were told that’s all there is to life, that that is their sole purpose

 

[leea]

gender roles dont force women to stay at home

its natural for women to raise their kids and stay at home, so also being a homemaker is just logically what she should do as the man isnt home to do it

It being forced on women doesnt make it natural that is oppression

 

[Carcinogenic]

thought it was Hungarian or sum shit

what language is this

Hen Valyrio Uēpo ānogār​

@Inanimate Pragmatist

 

[arniedagoats]

Better at average doesnt mean everyone is suited for it. What the fuck is wrong with people choosing what to do with their fucking lives

literally does
women are suited for raising children
and i never said its wrong im talking about whats best for society

 

[Carcinogenic]

YOURE BACK

and she is better than ever

 

[arniedagoats]

It being forced on women doesnt make it natural that is oppression

nothing is being forced on women, women arent oppressed, and it is natural

 

[leea]

literally does
women are suited for raising children
and i never said its wrong im talking about whats best for society

Its whats best for men not society

 

[arniedagoats]

Its whats best for men not society

no its whats best for society
men having the most deaths at work isnt the best for men

 

[leea]

nothing is being forced on women, women arent oppressed, and it is natural

I dont want to centre my life around serving a man and bearing his kids, doesnt sound appealing or natural at all to me

 

[chudlite67]

they always forget to mention standards pushed against men/ things that benefit them
i just find it hypocritical to mention the patriarchy but only mention the things that you dont like about it.
just stupid ramblings

Idk if it’s just me or it’s the men that I know or what but I always get so confused when I hear them say they’re not allowed to cry or show emotions because have u guys ever spoken to a man? It’s basically all they talk about

 

[leea]

no its whats best for society
men having the most deaths at work isnt the best for men

Its because of men like you, forcing gender roles

 

[arniedagoats]

Its because of men like you, forcing gender roles

im not forcing shit and gender roles are natural not forced

 

[Overthrown]

gender roles dont force women to stay at home

Isn’t your entire argument that women should be homemakers and not pursue any of their own passions outside of raising kids? Gender roles are promoting this idea that women need to stay home

its natural for women to raise their kids and stay at home, so also being a homemaker is just logically what she should do as the man isnt home to do it

this is heavily case dependent, the man isn’t always going to be out and working in this story you’ve created. Stay at home husbands exist as well as couples who both have their own jobs. Of course it’s natural for a woman to have time off when she’s pregnant and after she gives birth so she can breastfeed and take care of her kids, but after a certain point there’s no reason for her to be bound inside of a home. In your mind the home is the only place she should ever be.

 

[arniedagoats]

I dont want to centre my life around serving a man and bearing his kids, doesnt sound appealing or natural at all to me

so what do you want to centre your life around? working a 9-5 for a boss that doesnt love you? working all day and going to sleep in ur lil aah apartment alone and then retire without a man or children? and dont act like its women serving men its women serving their family as much as the man does, and strong families are the foundation of our society

 

[leea]

Idk if it’s just me or it’s the men that I know or what but I always get so confused when I hear them say they’re not allowed to cry or show emotions because have u guys ever spoken to a man? It’s basically all they talk about

my male frieds are more emotionally open to me than my female ones, im not sure where they got that idea from

 

[leea]

so what do you want to centre your life around? working a 9-5 for a boss that doesnt love you? working all day and going to sleep in ur lil aah apartment alone and then retire without a man or children? and dont act like its women serving men its women serving their family as much as the man does, and strong families are the foundation of our society

Why would i want my boss to love me that is weird and unprofessional

 

[arniedagoats]

Isn’t your entire argument that women should be homemakers and not pursue any of their own passions outside of raising kids? Gender roles are promoting this idea that women need to stay home

first of all, that isnt forcing, and gender roles were leeas argument against the patriarchy which is why im talking about them

this is heavily case dependent, the man isn’t always going to be out and working in this story you’ve created. Stay at home husbands exist as well as couples who both have their own jobs. Of course it’s natural for a woman to have time off when she’s pregnant and after she gives birth so she can breastfeed and take care of her kids, but after a certain point there’s no reason for her to be bound inside of a home. In your mind the home is the only place she should ever be.

im not denying there are people that do otherwise but them doing so isnt ideal

 

[leea]

so what do you want to centre your life around? working a 9-5 for a boss that doesnt love you? working all day and going to sleep in ur lil aah apartment alone and then retire without a man or children? and dont act like its women serving men its women serving their family as much as the man does, and strong families are the foundation of our society

Yes i want to have a career instead of being restricted by a husband or kids, travel with my own money and have purpose

 

[Overthrown]

im not forcing shit and gender roles are natural not forced

Natural? Explain the Mosuo tribe of 40 thousand people in China. There are many different systems found in nature, and this one happens to be a matriarchy. The appeal to nature argument is dumb.

Would love to see you take a trip here

 

[arniedagoats]

Why would i want my boss to love me that is weird and unprofessional

bitchaah im making a comparison abt serving a loving husband and an unloving boss that doesnt gaf abt you

 

[Byro]

That’s like the worst example

 

[arniedagoats]

Yes i want to have a career instead of being restricted by a husband or kids, travel with my own money and have purpose

so you want to do everything you would do as a tradwive you just want to do it without a family and with ur own money?

 

[arniedagoats]

Natural? Explain the Mosuo tribe of 40 thousand people in China. There are many different systems found in nature, and this one happens to be a matriarchy. The appeal to nature argument is dumb.
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Would love to see you take a trip here

a matriachry has never worked on a big scale and it wont, plus just becaue some tribes are doing things doesnt mean they are natural

 

[leea]

bitchaah im making a comparison abt serving a loving husband and an unloving boss that doesnt gaf abt you

Yes i would rather have a job being financially independant than serve a man for free with no dignity hen hes most likely going to abuse his power over me

 

[leea]

so you want to do everything you would do as a tradwive you just want to do it without a family and with ur own money?

Exactly

 

[arniedagoats]

Exactly

so you choose to do the same things just with more work and less love?
sounds great

 

[chudlite67]

my male frieds are more emotionally open to me than my female ones, im not sure where they got that idea from

Right? Lol
I think they just put up that front for other men but then I’m not sure why they say women care
Yeah idk

 

[Overthrown]

bitchaah im making a comparison abt serving a loving husband and an unloving boss that doesnt gaf abt you

But the man would technically be serving a boss who doesn’t give a shit about him either

 

[arniedagoats]

Yes i would rather have a job being financially independant than serve a man for free with no dignity hen hes most likely going to abuse his power over me

you are not financially independent, your still dependent on most likely a man only difference is you dont have a family have to work more and he doesnt love you
and the man is serving you for free too like what

 

[leea]

so you choose to do the same things just with more work and less love?
sounds great

Less work? Domestic labor is way harder than having a 9-5 job

 

[leea]

you are not financially independent, your still dependent on most likely a man only difference is you dont have a family have to work more and he doesnt love you
and the man is serving you for free too like what

No i would have a degree andi would earn my spot. Dont you understand thats how jobs work for everyone? Male and female wtf

 

[arniedagoats]

Less work? Domestic labor is way harder than having a 9-5 job

what are you talking about? cooking and cleaning, if there is anything to clean, and caring for your kids is way less exhausting than a 9-5

 

[Overthrown]

you are not financially independent, your still dependent on most likely a man only difference is you dont have a family have to work more and he doesnt love you
and the man is serving you for free too like what

Why would you encourage someone to be financially dependent on another instead of securing themselves and creating their own money? This is what leads people to fall into abuse. It’s an unhealthy power dynamic that doesn’t sound appealing at all

 

[arniedagoats]

No i would have a degree andi would earn my spot. Dont you understand thats how jobs work for everyone? Male and female wtf

you are still dependent on your employer r****d

 

[leea]

what are you talking about? cooking and cleaning, if there is anything to clean, and caring for your kids is way less exhausting than a 9-5

24/7 unpaid vs a 9-5 with a salary

 

[leea]

you are still dependent on your employer r****d

I thought thats how jobs work? Lmao

 

[arniedagoats]

Why would you encourage someone to be financially dependent on another instead of securing themselves and creating their own money? This is what leads people to fall into abuse. It’s an unhealthy power dynamic that doesn’t sound appealing at all

everyone is finincially dependent on someone, plus, you dont create your own money, and if you are in a marriage, then i dont see anything wrong with being financially dependent, if its the person that you love the most and you will stay with for the rest of your life
plus the man is dependent on the woman aswell