Discussion Why is abortion moral?

[Syniq]

Inform me

 

[limo8]

Inform me

r**e thingy

 

[Syniq]

r**e thingy

What about for cases that isn't r**e?

 

[limo8]

What about for cases that isn't r**e?

depends what cases but ig its just giving more freedom to control their own body for women

 

[hyperion]

Inform me

Because it could have prevented you and @limo8.

 

[naomimisora]

Inform me

if a woman has a child she doesn’t want/ financially can’t take care of then that child will suffer and have a very hard life
or if it has a birth defect for any reason it will also suffer

 

[limo8]

if a woman has a child she doesn’t want/ financially can’t take care of then that child will suffer and have a very hard life
or if it has a birth defect for any reason it will also suffer

yea that as well

 

[Syniq]

depends what cases but ig its just giving more freedom to control their own body for women

Do freedom of one choices overpower the moral worth of a human?

 

[chudlite67]

Inform me

It might not be moral in every case exactly but I don’t care since it’s not me

 

[hyperion]

if a woman has a child she doesn’t want/ financially can’t take care of then that child will suffer and have a very hard life
or if it has a birth defect for any reason it will also suffer

"My child has a cosmetic defect, rid it of its life."

 

[Syniq]

if a woman has a child she doesn’t want/ financially can’t take care of then that child will suffer and have a very hard life
or if it has a birth defect for any reason it will also suffer

Will the suffering not be counteracted by the good in life? And the beauty in life?


Adoption

 

[limo8]

Do freedom of one choices overpower the moral worth of a human?

moral is subjective but other person already said that its to prevent future suffering but that suffering as also not guaranteed its hard question to answer because if you ask me is the person who is blind not worthy to live their life only because they are different to me or you i would say that its cruel and not preventing suffering rather we are refusing that being to even try to live for its own but ye its hard question that has not real answer its all depends who you ask and etc etc

 

[naomimisora]

Will the suffering not be counteracted by the good in life? And the beauty in life?


Adoption

very privileged thing to say
beauty in life isn’t shit when you’re homeless, neglected, starving or disabled
adoption centers are already full and foster system is extremely abusive and contributes to large majority of human trafficking cases

 

[Syniq]

moral is subjective but other person already said that its to prevent future suffering but that suffering as also not guaranteed its hard question to answer because if you ask me is the person who is blind not worthy to live their life only because they are different to me or you i would say that its cruel and not preventing suffering rather we are refusing that being to even try to live for its own but ye its hard question that has not real answer its all depends who you ask and etc etc

How do we know morality is subjective? We have never went outside of our finite minds to see what our action do to the universe.

Disabled people get helped by the state and countries. They do not live in isolation or alone

 

[limo8]

very privileged thing to say
beauty in life isn’t shit when you’re homeless, neglected, starving or disabled
adoption centers are already full and foster system is extremely abusive and contributes to large majority of human trafficking cases

ye we dont need to attack OP just because he is privileged even tho his privileges does add fog to the the picture but yea i agree with you on there being too much suffering in the world already and saying that life is good is kinda of naive statement

 

[Syniq]

very privileged thing to say
beauty in life isn’t shit when you’re homeless, neglected, starving or disabled
adoption centers are already full and foster system is extremely abusive and contributes to large majority of human trafficking cases

By who's standard? By your standard? A lot of starving children in Africa are happy. They see the joy that life brings, let be with it's inherent evil. But refusing someone's right to live because of suffering means that you decided that they do not deserve to live.

Can you give me a % of how much abuse takes place in the foster system? Also, will the abuse not pass? Adoption centers may be nearly full, but there are already lots of adoption centers. Removing abortion, means that the government will be forced to act and build more adoption centers

 

[Br4va]

r**e thingy

99% of abortions aren’t because of r**e

 

[limo8]

How do we know morality is subjective? We have never went outside of our finite minds to see what our action do to the universe.

Disabled people get helped by the state and countries. They do not live in isolation or alone

wym how do we know we just picking what sounds the best there no grand choice being maid or there anything to compare it to yes ofc its our finite mind but thats why it is fully subjective because we cant step out of our own being and see whats right we just guess and having enough resources to provide good life for someone who is already behind just a regular person its really draining for family and you need to be already well off to actually be able to make their life good

 

[dontcallthemfoidsbro]

Do freedom of one choices overpower the moral worth of a human?

The life of the mother matters more than that of an unborn fetus. The mother has a life sorounding her including connection, experiences, goals, achievements and a future that could be compromised by having a child in many cases where abortion is necessary. The baby is indiferent to life and death and is not conscious or aware of its own existence. It would be immoral to force someone to compromise their own future by having a child they potentially could not care for adequately or simply do not want. It is not fair to the child or mother who would both have a significantly decreased quality of life.

 

[limo8]

99% of abortions aren’t because of r**e

i didnt read about it at all tbh just first thought

 

[steppemelancholia]

abortion is eugenics so it's keyed actually

 

[naomimisora]

By who's standard? By your standard? A lot of starving children in Africa are happy. They see the joy that life brings, let be with it's inherent evil. But refusing someone's right to live because of suffering means that you decided that they do not deserve to live.

Can you give me a % of how much abuse takes place in the foster system? Also, will the abuse not pass? Adoption centers may be nearly full, but there are already lots of adoption centers. Removing abortion, means that the government will be forced to act and build more adoption centers

i’m sorry bro but i really don’t want to argue with you right now
i can tell you have different viewpoints than i do and i don’t wanna raise my cortisol arguing with randos online
that being said i wish you the best however you may view the world

 

[Br4va]

i didnt read about it at all tbh just first thought

Only really justifiable time to get an abortion tvh

 

[Br4va]

i’m sorry bro but i really don’t want to argue with you right now
i can tell you have different viewpoints than i do and i don’t wanna raise my cortisol arguing with randos online
that being said i wish you the best however you may view the world

lol respectful

 

[steppemelancholia]

because the whore foids who spam abortions shouldn't even be reproducing in the first place

abortion is eugenics so it's keyed actually

 

[limo8]

conscious

ye ye just a myth how is that even tested

 

[dontcallthemfoidsbro]

Only really justifiable time to get an abortion tvh

I think if a mother does not have the resources to care for the child it is also fair to have an abortion as the child's quality of life would be impacted by a lot.

 

[tospakz]

if a woman and a man dont want a child but hes born anyways, the child will be neglected and treated like shit and his parents will hate him

 

[dontcallthemfoidsbro]

ye ye just a myth how is that even tested

We know babies arent conscious in the womb for a fact as the neural pathways necessary for conscience arent developed yet

 

[limo8]

I think if a mother does not have the resources to care for the child it is also fair to have an abortion as the child's quality of life would be impacted by a lot.

ye should had been thought about before doing the thing tbh but if it was accident its only available choice if all other things fail

 

[limo8]

We know babies arent conscious in the womb for a fact as the neural pathways necessary for conscience arent developed yet

oke makes sense but does it have nerves or like other things to feel the feeling of being alive

 

[Syniq]

wym how do we know we just picking what sounds the best there no grand choice being maid or there anything to compare it to yes ofc its our finite mind but thats why it is fully subjective because we cant step out of our own being and see whats right we just guess and having enough resources to provide good life for someone who is already behind just a regular person its really draining for family and you need to be already well off to actually be able to make their life good

So because we cannot know if something is objective, it is therefore subjective? It doesn't work that way. Imagine God is real for this thought experiment.

Just because people disagree if he's real or not, it doesn't make not an objective truth.

We can sense good, for the most part. Most of us can say what's good or bad with little discrepency. G.E Moore. Also, we can use logic on why something is bad. Universal law by Kant

 

[Syniq]

i’m sorry bro but i really don’t want to argue with you right now
i can tell you have different viewpoints than i do and i don’t wanna raise my cortisol arguing with randos online
that being said i wish you the best however you may view the world

Thank you, I guess?

 

[Syniq]

I think if a mother does not have the resources to care for the child it is also fair to have an abortion as the child's quality of life would be impacted by a lot.

Again, adoption and life itself

 

[Syniq]

We know babies arent conscious in the womb for a fact as the neural pathways necessary for conscience arent developed yet

So it being conscience makes it have a higher moral value? By that standard, people in comas can be killed.

Also, is the potential of life not great in moral value too?

 

[submissivechud]

Inform me

morals are subjective who gives a shit if unconscious parasites die

 

[limo8]

So because we cannot know if something is objective, it is therefore subjective? It doesn't work that way. Imagine God is real for this thought experiment.

Just because people disagree if he's real or not, it doesn't make not an objective truth.

We can sense good, for the most part. Most of us can say what's good or bad with little discrepency. G.E Moore. Also, we can use logic on why something is bad. Universal law by Kant

logic good bad god objective are all subjective even me claiming this is infact just subjectivism there nothing objective what is a earth to us its planet we live on for universe its something else because we cannot step out of our understanding of reality and claim somethign is objective without it being subjective its just how humans are

 

[Syniq]

morals are subjective who gives a shit if unconscious parasites die

How do you know morals are subjective?

It's not a parasite. That's using the definition, in a nicely put way, very retarded way.

 

[limo8]

morals are subjective who gives a shit if unconscious parasites die

holy empathy

 

[submissivechud]

holy empathy

No point in feeling empathy for people that don't contribute anything to my life

 

[dontcallthemfoidsbro]

oke makes sense but does it have nerves or like other things to feel the feeling of being alive

Any movements or flinches are reflective and not a deciscion, and do not happen because the baby is aware its feeling something. It does not know its alive. It also doesn't really feel things during the majority of the pregnancy as it isn't developed enough yet : )

 

[Syniq]

logic good bad god objective are all subjective even me claiming this is infact just subjectivism there nothing objective what is a earth to us its planet we live on for universe its something else because we cannot step out of our understanding of reality and claim somethign is objective without it being subjective its just how humans are

What? Sorry, for my misunderstanding. What does "logic good bad god"

The belief in them is subjective; however, the ideas within themselves maybe objective.

 

[submissivechud]

How do you know morals are subjective?

This alone indicates you're a dumb fuck.

It's not a parasite. That's using the definition, in a nicely put way, very retarded way.

Why so, it can't live without the host and relies on it for all of its needs.

 

[limo8]

No point in feeling empathy for people that don't contribute anything to my life

yea in my book you are innocent so i cant blame you but locally i feel sad about your words

 

[dontcallthemfoidsbro]

So it being conscience makes it have a higher moral value? By that standard, people in comas can be killed.

Also, is the potential of life not great in moral value too?

I dont think you understood what I said, im saying the baby isn't conscious and therefore indiferent to being aborted. A person in a coma is different as they have a life soreoundung them and people that care about them, and have experienced consciousness before. The baby has not and is therefore indifferent to ever experiencing it.

 

[Br4va]

I think if a mother does not have the resources to care for the child it is also fair to have an abortion as the child's quality of life would be impacted by a lot.

Then stop whoring around fucking for entertainment

 

[Syniq]

This alone indicates you're a dumb fuck.

Why so, it can't live without the host and relies on it for all of its needs.

You fucking moron. Holy shit, you're an idiot. "This alone indicates you're dumb as fuck" throw away thousands of years of philosophy because your feebly mind cannot understand Aristotle.

"an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense"
Doesn't fit the biological definition; ergo, retarded piece of shit, not a parasite.

Argument from gooners in plato cave

 

[dontcallthemfoidsbro]

Again, adoption and life itself

In order to give it up for adoption you'd have to have it first. Birth can be a traumatic and expensive experience especially in the US, not all mothers have the money to pay those fees. They're sometimes up to over 15k. Thats crazy shit.

 

[dontcallthemfoidsbro]

Then stop whoring around fucking for entertainment

I get what youre saying, but shit happens. Condoms break, birth control cycles go off, and then youre left pregnant. Doesn't even mean the woman is a whore. Could with be her first and only boyfriend.

 

[Syniq]

I dont think you understood what I said, im saying the baby isn't conscious and therefore indiferent to being aborted. A person in a coma is different as they have a life soreoundung them and people that care about them, and have experienced consciousness before. The baby has not and is therefore indifferent to ever experiencing it.

So it's moral because they aren't able to have consciousness yet? Imagine a baby is born, and it doesn't yet have a conscious. Would it be moral to kill it?

Someone being indifferent to it's life, does not inquire you can do what you please with it.