Serious Why is everyone on this forum against religion?

[sigma]

I see my relationship with God as a parental one of love. I do "fear" the lord, but not in the sense that I am actually scared of what will happen to me. I am a subservient believer, yet I do not feel enslaved. At least to me, if you have an established relationship with God, then it shouldn't feel like slavery. I'd understand if you didn't believe in God and were forced to be religious, and I'd see why that would feel wrong. But as a person in a relationship with God, you want to strive to serve and do your best to live Christ like.

But the existence of fear, is that not concerning? It seems not to you, but can you elaborate on the fear?
As for slavery, one does not have to feel enslaved to be one, as brainwashing exists. But yes even being subservient is a choice, but typically in nature it is irregular since most creatures are free and desire freedom.
And, why strive to be the best for Christ? Why not yourself? Why does one strive to serve in a religious relation? Why would an omniscient, omnipotent being want their creation to worship and serve it?

As for society running better, I was speaking in more recent terms such as in the last 100 years or so, religious decline and the state of modern societal values and community seems to be correlated.

For society running well, it is typically referring to Golden Ages. These are typically short-lived and uncommon in history. I don't see much correlation with religion.
Periods of decent peace, economic prosperity, political stability, social justices, and cultural flourishing (artistic and intellectual). Example: Golden Age of Athens.
We see religion consistently throughout the ages, with or without a Golden Age. While it is a weapon in war and union, it doesn't need to be the sole reason, and is not always beneficial and leads to prosperity.
In fact, in Greece, we get many great philosophers, showing the flourishing; Socrates, Platos, Aristotle: so many. Socrates, Xenophas, Protogoras challenged religion, and even though Athens was Hellenic polytheistic, it was greatly built on logic and aesthetics.
The Italian Renaissance, Scientific Revolution, Enlightenment are also examples of brief Golden Ages; many new thought-forms and beauty was born out of it.
In almost all Golden Ages, you see the birth or revival of many diverse thought-forms and challenges to existing ones.

 

[sigma]

good ideas, good thoughts

Indeed the figure of a God can often be a figure who imposes over people for most religions, a controlling figure who wants you to listen and think of rebellion as an eternal punishment. This is not an all-loving entity and it doesn't even make sense logically (someone with no brain, no need for control over his creations, no ego, why would he send us to eternal punishment for not obeying?) and it can also be seen as just a made up thing if you think it as if you were viewing from outside, because Indeed religion can just look as our own way of explaining things, in nature we are born, we do and we die, nothing else, nothing special, no apparent special relation with a God

I would never worship such a controlling creator figure, but people don't understand that God is not a dictator, he doesn't send you to eternal suffering if you don't obey. And i think that the cause of people thinking this is their tendency to personificate the God figure, make it look as if he should be similiar to us, with our same needs, and our same thoughts. The Bible is such because it shows the ideal, not an ideal to submit to, but the way itself, because we are beings that have evolved in such way to get self awareness, COMPLETE control over our actions (instincts can arise but they are still controllable) and we can straighten our actions, unlike animals. And evil is a thing because it is what represents no control over our actions, inflicting pain in the innocent for no real reason, and this evil is only present in humans, because we are the only ones who can do things for no actual reason.
It's hard to try to explain logically why there should ever be a God, and this is also the reason why we are still debating here, none of the both sides can be proven, but yet I stand for the idea of there being a creator, because of things that I prefer not to say here.

Understandable, I would still argue on the animal aspect.

About the dolphins, it's extremized, dolphins don't r**e for fun, they "r**e" (not how we intend r**e) for sexual pleasure, they dont kill or torture for fun neither, but for the probable same cause of liking control over other being as control has always been a thing to seek for in animals.

Isn't fun in this view equated to sexual pleasure? People think it is fun to have sex since it feels good.
Liking having control is also what animals and humans like, and it is in fact fun to have control.
Definition of fun: amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable. or: enjoyment, amusement, or lighthearted pleasure.
So yes, it is rooted from fun, in specific sexual pleasure type of fun.
And why is how we intend to r**e and hurt, different? Don't humans r**e to exert control and sexual satisfaction?

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

there is no sadistic pleasure in lions. they bite the throat because its what they prefer to bite when as it what grabs better when you're trying to catch a running prey, and it wouldnt make sense, why would they want to bite the throat if they wanted to torture (ruining the throat is one of the fastest way of killing) when they can just start from a non-lethal place so they can inflict pure long-term pain?

humans are superior to animals, we have an evolved brain which permitted us to communicate with people from the other side of the world, and we are dominating other animals. we come from animals, but we differ from them because we have enormous amounts of knowledge and we are smart, we went to space and we theorized the beginning of everything.

same as i said before, there is no need of sadistic pleasure in animals. it all comes from a more essential thing. they like inflicting pain in those which represented their prey or predator, because of rivalty in the animal kingdom. but there is NO NEED OF SADISTIC PLEASURE. no animal hurts for the pure joy of mental complexities ONLY present in HUMANS.

lions literally torture baboons and hyeans and thier children because they kill the lion cubs

 

[97baHater]

I’m pro religion and anti evolutionist, anti Zionist, anti feminist, anti lgbt (nothing wrong with gays existing but pride is outrageous)

Whats anti evolutionist

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

Whats anti evolutionist

he wanna go back to being a monkey he hates being a n****r

 

[allexxs]

Understandable, I would still argue on the animal aspect.

Isn't fun in this view equated to sexual pleasure? People think it is fun to have sex since it feels good.
Liking having control is also what animals and humans like, and it is in fact fun to have control.
Definition of fun: amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable. or: enjoyment, amusement, or lighthearted pleasure.
So yes, it is rooted from fun, in specific sexual pleasure type of fun.
And why is how we intend to r**e and hurt, different? Don't humans r**e to exert control and sexual satisfaction?

When i said them not raping for fun, i meant that the only specific goal is sexual arousement, which indeed lives inside the term "enjoyment". So yeah my mistake, in can be called some sort of fun, but definetely not our "fun" of raping minors in front of their parents

lions literally torture baboons and hyeans and thier children because they kill the lion cubs

You are proving my point, you said it yourself. "because they kill the lion cubs", the lions view the babbons and hyenas as enemy specie, they want to excert control with torture, no sadistic pleasure.

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

When i said them not raping for fun, i meant that the only specific goal is sexual arousement, which indeed lives inside the term "enjoyment". So yeah my mistake, in can be called some sort of fun, but definetely not our "fun" of raping minors in front of their parents

You are proving my point, you said it yourself. "because they kill the lion cubs", the lions view the babbons and hyenas as enemy specie, they want to excert control with torture, no sadistic pleasure.

they like it
they could just kill them normally in a 'humane' way or forgive them

 

[allexxs]

they like it
they could just kill them normally in a 'humane' way or forgive them

You arent fucking understanding shit

Animals are not us, they are too fucking stupid and their brain is too underdeveloped to feel our sadistic needs

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

You arent fucking understanding shit

Animals are not us, they are too fucking stupid and their brain is too underdeveloped to feel our sadistic needs

we naturally have no pointless sadistic needs
same with animals

 

[allexxs]

we naturally have no pointless sadistic needs
same with animals

sadistic needs are derivated from our natural instincts which want for us to excert control over other animals and such, the only difference is that since our brain's more complex the pure sadistic need becomes more and more senseless, but it still comes from the primalistic instinct.
Since animals arent as complex as us all they feel is basically just the primal need which comes from a practical scenario (the lion avenging their children by torturing the babbons and the hyenas), while we differ from them because we can inflict the pain for even no reason

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

sadistic needs are derivated from our natural instincts which want for us to excert control over other animals and such, the only difference is that since our brain's more complex the pure sadistic need becomes more and more senseless, but it still comes from the primalistic instinct.
Since animals arent as complex as us all they feel is basically just the primal need which comes from a practical scenario (the lion avenging their children by torturing the babbons and the hyenas), while we differ from them because we can inflict the pain for even no reason

we aren't mindless creatures we don't torture for no reason unless we are mentally ill

 

[allexxs]

we aren't mindless creatures we don't torture for no reason unless we are mentally ill

Exactly, but that mental illness is only present in humans

 

[neymar]

he wanna go back to being a monkey he hates being a n****r

You must hate being indian so much u take it out on me everyday trying to call me a n****r or shitskin all the time. Its ok to be rejected by 99% of normal women and forced into dating ur stinky cousins. No matter how hard you convince yourself on autistic forums, youre bottom draft pick and invisible in every single country.

we aren't mindless creatures we don't torture for no reason unless we are mentally ill

pretty sure your people are since you stare at foreign women like meercats, r**e children and dig up dead corpses to r**e, make street food with your feet, dont wear deoderant, even in my country its your kind groping and staring at women during peak times on public transport, ive seen it myself countless times 90% of the sexual harrassment is literal indians who dont care if its a woman or a child. and its your kind doing honor killings to innocent children or female genital mutilation. But muhhh black is subhuman…i been ignoring your insecure digs at black people but its time for u to confront ur self hatred and strench now its been everyday u trying hard to make normal people feel as bad as your degenerate, unfuckable kind. You will never be a slayer just because of your race and you can pull up as many half white mutts like zayn malik as a futile attempt to deny that 99.9% of non indian women wouldnt touch u with a stick

Whats anti evolutionist

i dont believe in evolution, its so retarded

 

[97baHater]

i dont believe in evolution, its so retarded

it's proved and observed bhai, what do you find retarded in it? @Whitepill thots on evolution?

pretty sure your people are since you stare at foreign women like meercats, r**e children and dig up dead corpses to r**e, make street food with your feet, dont wear deoderant, even in my country its your kind groping and staring at women during peak times on public transport, ive seen it myself countless times 90% of the sexual harrassment is literal indians who dont care if its a woman or a child. and its your kind doing honor killings to innocent children or female genital mutilation. But muhhh black is subhuman…i been ignoring your insecure digs at black people but its time for u to confront ur self hatred and strench now its been everyday u trying hard to make normal people feel as bad as your degenerate, unfuckable kind. You will never be a slayer just because of your race and you can pull up as many half white mutts like zayn malik as a futile attempt to deny that 99.9% of non indian women wouldnt touch u with a stick

AHAHAHHA HOLY FUCK MAN, CAGED

 

[Whitepill]

it's proved and observed bhai, what do you find retarded in it? @Whitepill thots on evolution?

How do you not believe in evolution? mf thinks we just got dropped out of the battle bus or some shi

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

You must hate being indian so much u take it out on me everyday trying to call me a n****r or shitskin all the time. Its ok to be rejected by 99% of normal women and forced into dating ur stinky cousins. No matter how hard you convince yourself on autistic forums, youre bottom draft pick and invisible in every single country.

pretty sure your people are since you stare at foreign women like meercats, r**e children and dig up dead corpses to r**e, make street food with your feet, dont wear deoderant, even in my country its your kind groping and staring at women during peak times on public transport, ive seen it myself countless times 90% of the sexual harrassment is literal indians who dont care if its a woman or a child. and its your kind doing honor killings to innocent children or female genital mutilation. But muhhh black is subhuman…i been ignoring your insecure digs at black people but its time for u to confront ur self hatred and strench now its been everyday u trying hard to make normal people feel as bad as your degenerate, unfuckable kind. You will never be a slayer just because of your race and you can pull up as many half white mutts like zayn malik as a futile attempt to deny that 99.9% of non indian women wouldnt touch u with a stick

i dont believe in evolution, its so retarded

u started randomly talking shit about me cause i was indian
i didn't even know u
u started it jfl

everytime something like this happens to me its always a n****r

 

[mazolay]

God is good