Lifefuel / Motivation why is nutrition the most misunderstood topic on this thread

[holy]

most diets cherry-pick some “truth” or anecdote, then completely ignore biology, calories, nutrients, or science. some people get temporary results and then use it as an excuse to boast about the specific diet, but they’re often unsustainable and just risky.

I'll make a guide on this soon (even tho some ppl will probably either say it's water or disagree with it for some odd fucking reason) but I'll just lay down the fundamentals:

- protein drives muscle repair and growth, aim for enough every day.
- carbs fuel your brain and training. instead of being a pussy about it, just pick mostly whole sources.
- fats are essential for hormones, brain, and absorption of vitamins, don’t go too low.
- fiber from plants keeps digestion smooth and gut healthy.
- micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) are non-negotiable, eat a variety of vegetables, fruit, eggs, meat, dairy, nuts.
- water is mandatory, dehydration slows everything.
- meal timing matters mostly for training performance
- stick to minimally processed whole foods.
- track, adjust, and be consistent.

that's it.

 

[Deleted Member 80294]

Nuts and vegetables are slop

 

[holy]

Nuts and vegetables are slop

evidence?

 

[Deleted Member 80294]

evidence?

basically no nutrients in either
Just omega 6 pufa and fiber

 

[over0]

Cause it's a heavily biased topic. There's actually so much research it creates a cest pool of misinformation since there's so much to dissect, it becomes difficult to understand what's real vs false. People generally just end up doing whatever appeals most to them for their goals

 

[vespertine]

i can't wait to see your guide. got me jizzin a little in anticipation

 

[vespertine]

Cause it's a heavily biased topic. There's actually so much research it creates a cest pool of misinformation since there's so much to dissect, it becomes difficult to understand what's real vs false. People generally just end up doing whatever appeals most to them for their goals

i suspect p-hacking and publication bias account for a huge part of layfolk believe to be truth regarding nutrition

 

[holy]

basically no nutrients in either
Just omega 6 pufa and fiber

this is literally scientifically unfounded. can you please provide me actual evidence for this shit

 

[holy]

Cause it's a heavily biased topic. There's actually so much research it creates a cest pool of misinformation since there's so much to dissect, it becomes difficult to understand what's real vs false. People generally just end up doing whatever appeals most to them for their goals

mirin explanation. honestly couldn't have explained it better

 

[Deleted Member 80294]

this is literally scientifically unfounded. can you please provide me actual evidence for this shit

How? It is a fact they are low in nutrients compared to the other foods you listed

 

[Barbie]

Nuts and vegetables are slop

yeah but ur also the type of mf to say we dont need fibre

 

[milkjar]

this is literally scientifically unfounded. can you please provide me actual evidence for this shit

I have made a few threads here doing a nutritional break down of my diet (i'm a carnivore) compared to vegetables, I will tag you in them

 

[holy]

How? It is a fact they are low in nutrients compared to the other foods you listed

cool. still waiting for evidence for this fact.

 

[milkjar]

cool. still waiting for evidence for this fact.

I have made a few threads here doing a nutritional break down of my diet (i'm a carnivore) compared to vegetables, I will tag you in them

bro ignored this

 

[milkjar]

yeah but ur also the type of mf to say we dont need fibre

ah yes just ignore the mountain of nutrition in animal products, and dismiss everything cause of muh fibre

 

[Deleted Member 80294]

cool. still waiting for evidence for this fact.

If i selected random vegetables and animal products it would be called bias. Just compare even basic USDA nutrition labels for vegetables and proper food

Also factoring in bioavailability, can the food be consumed raw without tasting like shit, biological value for proteins, it’s not even close.

 

[adore]

I have perfect health markers and I don't eat vegetables

Only meat, eggs, dairy, bread sometimes, grain sometimes

Apart from almost* low cholesterol

 

[Mandy?]

most diets cherry-pick some “truth” or anecdote, then completely ignore biology, calories, nutrients, or science. some people get temporary results and then use it as an excuse to boast about the specific diet, but they’re often unsustainable and just risky.

I'll make a guide on this soon (even tho some ppl will probably either say it's water or disagree with it for some odd fucking reason) but I'll just lay down the fundamentals:

- protein drives muscle repair and growth, aim for enough every day.

Water

- carbs fuel your brain and training. instead of being a pussy about it, just pick mostly whole sources.

Water,minimum 300-400g a day.

- fats are essential for hormones, brain, and absorption of vitamins, don’t go too low.

Exactly

- fiber from plants keeps digestion smooth and gut healthy.

Insoluble fiber irritates the gut,soluble one is more less on the body.

- micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) are non-negotiable, eat a variety of vegetables, fruit, eggs, meat, dairy, nuts.

Vegetables and fruits have lots of phytic acids,also rich in flavonoids which is harmful. Check @Currycelloser thread on anti oxidants.

- water is mandatory, dehydration slows everything.
- meal timing matters mostly for training performance
- stick to minimally processed whole foods.
- track, adjust, and be consistent.

that's it.

Yes!

 

[holy]

bro ignored this

I didn't. no offense, but it's just laughably incorrect. don't worry, I'll debunk it soon.

 

[TonyDr]

most diets cherry-pick some “truth” or anecdote, then completely ignore biology, calories, nutrients, or science. some people get temporary results and then use it as an excuse to boast about the specific diet, but they’re often unsustainable and just risky.

I'll make a guide on this soon (even tho some ppl will probably either say it's water or disagree with it for some odd fucking reason) but I'll just lay down the fundamentals:

- protein drives muscle repair and growth, aim for enough every day.
- carbs fuel your brain and training. instead of being a pussy about it, just pick mostly whole sources.
- fats are essential for hormones, brain, and absorption of vitamins, don’t go too low.
- fiber from plants keeps digestion smooth and gut healthy.
- micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) are non-negotiable, eat a variety of vegetables, fruit, eggs, meat, dairy, nuts.
- water is mandatory, dehydration slows everything.
- meal timing matters mostly for training performance
- stick to minimally processed whole foods.
- track, adjust, and be consistent.

that's it.

Also talk about gut microbiome and genetic limitations for a diet (e.g. fibers, gluten, lactose)

 

[holy]

Insoluble fiber irritates the gut

insoluble fiber adds bulk to stool and speeds up transit. for most healthy people, it does not irritate the gut. in fact, it actually prevents constipation, hemorrhoids, and colon disease.

only in specific conditions (shit like inflammatory bowel disease, severe ibs, or acute flare-ups) can insoluble fiber cause discomfort. for the average person, it’s beneficial.

"Insoluble fiber, which does not dissolve in water, can help food move through your digestive system, promoting regularity and helping prevent constipation."
[1]

Vegetables and fruits have lots of phytic acids,also rich in flavonoids which is harmful.

phytic acid can bind some minerals (iron, zinc) in the gut, but in a diverse diet, this is literally negligible. it’s not a concern unless your diet is extremely restricted. it also has antioxidant and anticancer properties.

also, flavonoids are not harmful. they are protective antioxidants. research CONSISTENTLY shows flavonoid intake reduces inflammation, cardiovascular risk, and certain cancers.

"Phytic acid has health benefits such as anti-carcinogenic effects."
[2]
"Flavonoids possess a number of medicinal benefits, including anticancer, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and antiviral properties."
[3]

 

[holy]

Also talk about gut microbiome and genetic limitations for a diet (e.g. fibers, gluten, lactose)

sure will.

 

[vespertine]

my diet is low/inconsistent in insoluble fiber and i have none of those problems.

 

[Darkeningstar]

laughably incorrect

debunk it soon

Another proselyte of linear logic
Hell naw

 

[holy]

my diet is low/inconsistent in insoluble fiber and i have none of those problems.

what problems? I didn't list any problems lmfao

 

[holy]

perfect health markers

jfl

 

[holy]

Another proselyte of linear logic
Hell naw

doesn't work ike that

 

[vespertine]

what problems? I didn't list any problems lmfao

my bad. i thought you were saying that lack of insoluble fiber *causes* things like hemorrhoids.

i agree though, including it when you actually do have a pathology could help, but for someone who doesn't have those problems why go out of their way to eat a certain amount of insoluble fiber?

 

[adore]

jfl

elab

 

[Darkeningstar]

doesn't work ike that

I have never met a consciously intelligent person who uses the word “debunk”

 

[holy]

my bad. i thought you were saying that lack of insoluble fiber *causes* things like hemorrhoids.

i agree though, including it when you actually do have a pathology could help, but for someone who doesn't have those problems why go out of their way to eat a certain amount of insoluble fiber?

they don't have to.

fiber and other shit are basically just beneficial compounds (nice-to-haves) rather than essential compounds (non-negotiables, like macronutrients, micronutrients, ect...).

they're not a MUST, but they CAN be helpful for certain lifestyle choices.

 

[holy]

consciously intelligent person

never claimed to be.

who uses the word “debunk”

many individuals considered extremely intelligent use it.

 

[Darkeningstar]

never claimed to be.

many individuals considered extremely intelligent use it.

I’m baiting

 

[vespertine]

can't wait for the thread king

 

[holy]

elab

“perfect health markers” are basically impossible to claim without context.

1. standard health markers (blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, vitamin/mineral levels, gut microbiome health, liver/kidney function, yada yada) are ALL affected by diet. not eating vegetables almost guarantees deficits in fiber, antioxidants, and micronutrients that show up in labs over time.

2. a single blood test snapshot ≠ “perfect” health lmfao. labs fluctuate constantly and can hide deficiencies for years.

3. longevity and disease risk aren’t captured fully by routine markers. you can literally look fine right now and still be at elevated risk for cancer, heart disease, or metabolic issues if your diet is shit.

 

[Mandy?]

insoluble fiber adds bulk to stool and speeds up transit. for most healthy people, it does not irritate the gut. in fact, it actually prevents constipation, hemorrhoids, and colon disease.

You can’t generally deny that soluble fiber is way more easier on the gut,the more insoluble fiber you eat the more irritation you get that’s why you just need to lower it.

only in specific conditions (shit like inflammatory bowel disease, severe ibs, or acute flare-ups) can insoluble fiber cause discomfort. for the average person, it’s beneficial.

From personal experience as a healthy individual I’ve done better on low fiber carb sources.

"Insoluble fiber, which does not dissolve in water, can help food move through your digestive system, promoting regularity and helping prevent constipation."
[1]



phytic acid can bind some minerals (iron, zinc) in the gut, but in a diverse diet, this is literally negligible. it’s not a concern unless your diet is extremely restricted. it also has antioxidant and anticancer properties.

Please understand that I don’t only mean phytic acid! There are many other anti nutrients that could impair your health!

also, flavonoids are not harmful. they are protective antioxidants. research CONSISTENTLY shows flavonoid intake reduces inflammation, cardiovascular risk, and certain cancers.

"Phytic acid has health benefits such as anti-carcinogenic effects."
[2]
"Flavonoids possess a number of medicinal benefits, including anticancer, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and antiviral properties."
[3]

https://forum.looksmaxxing.com/threads/antioxidants.80323/
Please also check this thread @Currycelloser mentioned me in,it makes 100% logical sense and it has backup. Have fun love!

 

[97baHater]

Nuts and vegetables are slop

True!

 

[Mandy?]

“perfect health markers” are basically impossible to claim without context.

1. standard health markers (blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, vitamin/mineral levels, gut microbiome health, liver/kidney function, yada yada) are ALL affected by diet. not eating vegetables almost guarantees deficits in fiber, antioxidants, and micronutrients that show up in labs over time.

Vegetables aren’t the magic grail sadly. Fiber is also not a nurtient,we can survive fine without it! >~<

2. a single blood test snapshot ≠ “perfect” health lmfao. labs fluctuate constantly and can hide deficiencies for years.

This is true!

3. longevity and disease risk aren’t captured fully by routine markers. you can literally look fine right now and still be at elevated risk for cancer, heart disease, or metabolic issues if your diet is shit.

Also true! That’s why a Ray peat metabolic diet is optimal!

 

[adore]

“perfect health markers” are basically impossible to claim without context.

1. standard health markers (blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, vitamin/mineral levels, gut microbiome health, liver/kidney function, yada yada) are ALL affected by diet. not eating vegetables almost guarantees deficits in fiber, antioxidants, and micronutrients that show up in labs over time.

2. a single blood test snapshot ≠ “perfect” health lmfao. labs fluctuate constantly and can hide deficiencies for years.

3. longevity and disease risk aren’t captured fully by routine markers. you can literally look fine right now and still be at elevated risk for cancer, heart disease, or metabolic issues if your diet is shit.

perfect in this context means within normal ranges over multiple tests ( I've done 3 over the span of ~3 years ). 2 routine check-ups because of my paranoid braindead mother and 1 standard procedure test because I was admitted for an unrelated issue ( mental reasons )

Again, each time, within normal ranges except for my cholestrol always being too low and generally low blood sugar ( alas, both are still under normal values and it makes sense since I am underweight and have a small apetite )

 

[holy]

repetition.

 

[holy]

You can’t generally deny that soluble fiber is way more easier on the gut,the more insoluble fiber you eat the more irritation you get that’s why you just need to lower it

1. no one's denying soluble fiber is easier to ferment and can be soothing in some gut conditions.
2. but, AGAIN, insoluble fiber does not inherently irritate a healthy gut. discomfort only occurs in specific conditions like active ibd, severe ibs, or after a sudden high increase. gradual introduction prevents irritation.

humans quite literally olved eating both fiber types. insoluble fiber is critical for stool bulk, colon health, and reducing risk of diverticulosis and colon cancer.

Please understand that I don’t only mean phytic acid! There are many other anti nutrients that could impair your health!

antinutrients (oxalates, lectins, tannins, etc.) ONLY pose issues in extreme, restrictive diets. for the general population, diverse plant intake is safe and protective. many antinutrients also act as antioxidants and reduce chronic disease risk.

 

[holy]

Ray peat metabolic diet is optimal!

 lmfao

Vegetables aren’t the magic grail sadly.

incredibly important actually.

Ray peat metabolic diet is optimal!

which states?

We can survive fine without it!

already emphasized this.

 

[holy]

normal ranges over multiple tests

“normal ranges” are not the same as optimal health. labs are set wide enough that you can be malnourished or micronutrient-deficient and still fall inside them. for example, you can be low in vitamin c, k, magnesium, or fiber intake and your basic panels won’t flag it.

3 over the span of ~3 years

tiny sample. deficiencies, inflammation, early organ stress, and long-term cardiovascular or metabolic risks can accumulate silently. normal labs now ≠ protection in the future.

2 routine check-ups

routine check-ups rarely measure key things vegetables give you: antioxidants, phytonutrients, microbiome diversity, folate, potassium, magnesium, and fiber-related gut health markers.

except for my cholestrol always being too low and generally low blood sugar ( alas, both are still under normal values and it makes sense since I am underweight and have a small apetite )

not automatically harmless. chronic low cholesterol can impair hormone synthesis, immunity, and brain function. chronically low glucose can indicate inadequate energy intake.

I really am not purposefully trying to be some sort of dickhead or asshole here, but technically your markers may be “within range,” but calling that “perfect health” is, no offense, bullshit. it’s a very narrow snapshot.

 

[Mandy?]

 lmfao

incredibly important actually.

which states?

Thyroid,hormone conversion and the management of simple metabolic processes. You should look into it! I also want to ask why you find vegetables important since fruits and the juices are in my opinion minerally richer.

already emphasized this.

Okay!

 

[Mandy?]

1. no one's denying soluble fiber is easier to ferment and can be soothing in some gut conditions.
2. but, AGAIN, insoluble fiber does not inherently irritate a healthy gut. discomfort only occurs in specific conditions like active ibd, severe ibs, or after a sudden high increase. gradual introduction prevents irritation.

humans quite literally olved eating both fiber types. insoluble fiber is critical for stool bulk, colon health, and reducing risk of diverticulosis and colon cancer.



antinutrients (oxalates, lectins, tannins, etc.) ONLY pose issues in extreme, restrictive diets. for the general population, diverse plant intake is safe and protective. many antinutrients also act as antioxidants and reduce chronic disease risk.

Anti nutrients accumulate,polyunsaturated fat too! It’s not really critical,I proposed lots of personal experiments with different diets and I felt light and fine without fiber! My diet generally also dosent contain much fiber.

 

[blanquita444]

most diets cherry-pick some “truth” or anecdote, then completely ignore biology, calories, nutrients, or science. some people get temporary results and then use it as an excuse to boast about the specific diet, but they’re often unsustainable and just risky.

I'll make a guide on this soon (even tho some ppl will probably either say it's water or disagree with it for some odd fucking reason) but I'll just lay down the fundamentals:

- protein drives muscle repair and growth, aim for enough every day.
- carbs fuel your brain and training. instead of being a pussy about it, just pick mostly whole sources.
- fats are essential for hormones, brain, and absorption of vitamins, don’t go too low.
- fiber from plants keeps digestion smooth and gut healthy.
- micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) are non-negotiable, eat a variety of vegetables, fruit, eggs, meat, dairy, nuts.
- water is mandatory, dehydration slows everything.
- meal timing matters mostly for training performance
- stick to minimally processed whole foods.
- track, adjust, and be consistent.

that's it.

Well said bhai i agree wholeheartedly
people who starve or only raw meat here are fucking retarded

 

[blanquita444]

Well said bhai i agree wholeheartedly
people who starve or only raw meat here are fucking retarded

Honorable r****d mention: people who only drink shakes or eat raw vegetables and fruits all day

 

[Nihilus]

Vegetables are absolutely useless, absolutely
Fiber is absolutely useless and a waste product , no facultative carnivore in nature eats fiber to "help with digestion"
Naturally you have fat to lubricate your intestines

Normie tier science

 

[blanquita444]

Vegetables are absolutely useless, absolutely
Fiber is absolutely useless and a waste product , no facultative carnivore in nature eats fiber to "help with digestion"
Naturally you have fat to lubricate your intestines

Normie tier science

Yes because we are carnivores and not omnivores jfl at this

 

[Nihilus]

Yes because we are carnivores and not omnivores jfl at this

Humans are flexible facultative carnivores