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Abortion is right in case of grape and man running away. Stop your Trump agenda
This isnt cause of Trump lol. Taking a human life is just filthy & wrongAbortion is right in case of grape and man running away. Stop your Trump agenda
So giving babies a helpless life worth it? What if the baby in the womb has down syndrome?This isnt cause of Trump lol. Taking a human life is just filthy & wrong
do you support eugenicsWhat if the baby in the womb has down syndrome?
Living with down syndrome means living a life full of hell. It will be punishment for them to be alive. We can identify the problem in the womb itself.do you support eugenics
what makes their life a living hellLiving with down syndrome means living a life full of hell. It will be punishment for them to be alive. We can identify the problem in the womb itself.
EugenicsSo giving babies a helpless life worth it? What if the baby in the womb has down syndrome?
It is not painful unless you abort very late. Just imagine a 14 yo girl managing a baby which came out of rapist.
Living with down syndrome means living a life full of hell. It will be punishment for them to be alive. We can identify the problem in the womb itself.
The same people who are statistically happier on average and immune to caring about lookism or any sort of social ladders have miserable lives and should kick the stool overView attachment 197388View attachment 197387
@cut The first thought that pops up in this guys head when he sees this is, "Better off dead", "Put it out of its misery", "Her life must be Hell"
Yeah I'm against both. Pornography & all other kinds of sexual immoralityare you against hookup culture and casual sex as well? i think the two connect clearly
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@cut The first thought that pops up in this guys head when he sees this is, "Better off dead", "Put it out of its misery", "Its life must be Hell"
So again, they should die. That child in the image should die. Your first thought; is in fact is, "This should die."I am a college educated student. I know more about down syndrome than you. There is a technology to find out down syndrome even before fetus develops feelings.
Women must stop having kids after 40 otherwise it will increase probability. People with down syndrome have a very hard life. They remain dependent on others. Parents have to manage them all the time.
i respect thatIk you have this idea of me being weird but I really hate that part of me
Once they are born, let them live. Don't tell them to procreate.So again, they should die. That child in the image should die. Your first thought; is in fact is, "This should die."
Once born, let them live? Why cant you just let him as in in utero?Once they are born, let them live. Don't tell them to procreate.
Not at all in the slightest. Both of these cases of abortion are wrong.Aborting them is just like aborting babies born out of r**e.
It dosen't matter whether or not this baby can feel pain or not. If a person is unable to feel pain it still isnt permissible to take their lives.Pain happens in later stages of abortion.
"Capital Punishment is just if inflicted on terrible people!" -> "So Capital Punishment is justified on innocent people!"I am not a liberal. I have disagreements with both sides. It is better for women to have kids at young age. Sadly, modern world is not letting women and men to start family early. My great grandparents married at 16-20. They had lots of babies.
If we had time machine, lots of criminals, rapists, dictators would have been aborted. If I could go back in time, I would have told moms of Trump, Putin, Weinstein, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Andrew Tate, Thunberg, Genghiz Khan to abort their babies.
You don't seem to understand the pain of parents.Once born, let them live? Why cant you just let him as in in utero?
There is no significant moral distinction between baby in utero @ 9 Months vs Out of Utero. Location isn't a moral distinction.
@cut And yeah this guy 100% Supports Eugenics. This debate is going nowhere
Not at all in the slightest. Both of these cases of abortion are wrong.
It dosen't matter whether or not this baby can feel pain or not. If a person is unable to feel pain it still isnt permissible to take their lives.
"Capital Punishment is just if inflicted on terrible people!" -> "So Capital Punishment is justified on innocent people!"
Your such a deranged r*tard lol
On Value;You don't seem to understand the pain of parents.
If you are a vegan, I can agree with you. Even let disabled to live. If you eat meat and eggs, you are hypocrite.
I am not vegan. Atleast lacto-vegetarianism is acceptable.Heres an Explanation of my Entire View on this;
Yeah if I said value is only based on levels of sentience & conscious experience. But I don't.
Being simply Human gives you inherent value. Yet it is in conjunct with sentience & conscious experience of course.
Am I going to give a Fetus - a living member of the Human species Moral value despite not being consciousness or having a low level of sentience? Yes, as I give a person in comotose them same ( MVS or PVS ); or a person of equal sentience to a fetus ( In Cases of Anencephaly ) ; or one even in death the same. ( Desecration of graves/tombs/burials/corpse is Unjust & Immoral. )
ONE Human life is worth more than a 1000 Cows, 1000 Sheep, 1000 Mules, 1000 Donkeys, 1000 Horses, & So-on
Not that Animal rights don't exist, For ex. Do I think its permissible to torture these being of other species beings? No.
On Veganism;
We take their lives humanely for the benefit for our own prospering.
On a Vegan diet your missing Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, Heme Iron, DHA/EPA, Taurine, Creatine, Carnosine, Anserine, and Vitamin K2 (MK-4). Risk defincity in Iron, Zinc, Iodine, Selenium, Calcium, Riboflavin (B2), Retinol (Vitamin A), and Protein Quality. All of these Essential Micro-nutrients/Macronutrients missing -> Malnourishment. What do you think itd gonna happen to your health?
Lets apply this to a greater societal framework. What do you think is going to happen if a given community adopted & practiced this diet for generations?
Malnourished Parents given Birth ( Miraculously ) to Malnoruished Children; Malnourish them. And they live ( Miraculously ) to Give birth ( Miraculously ) Malnourish their Children.
I missed a point here where alone ~ 3rd Generation the child is born with ( And miraculously survives )
- Neural Tube Defects (e.g., spina bifida, anencephaly)
- Severe Brain Underdevelopment (leading to cognitive disabilities, intellectual impairment)
- Premature Birth (leading to underdeveloped organs, particularly the lungs and brain)
- Intrauterine Growth Restriction (IUGR) (low birth weight, organ underdevelopment)
- Severe Stunting (permanent low height for age, indicating chronic malnutrition)
- Severe Cognitive Impairment (intellectual disabilities, low IQ, learning disabilities)
- Severe Immune Dysfunction (high susceptibility to infections, failure to thrive)
- Permanent Motor Skill Impairments (e.g., cerebral palsy, lack of motor coordination)
- Chronic Health Conditions (e.g., type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular diseases)
- Epigenetic Damage (leading to transgenerational health issues)
I'm joking. Their Dead. So, are you 100% Okay with Ending the Human species over the wellbeing of some r*tarded animal that would murder YOU for a second if it was for the wellbeing of THEIR young.
They do the same. We do the same. Diffrence? We know their value. We are still more valuable.
Still R*tarded & Obliterated by meI am not vegan. Atleast lacto-vegetarianism is acceptable.
There is no point in arguing with a Trump supporter/MAGA/cuckservative.
Are you genuinely R*tarded? When are you going to start engaging with my argumentThis isnt cause of Trump lol. Taking a human life is just filthy & wrong
Kids with down syndrome have a painful life. How many fetuses have down syndrome? Are all parents millionaires who will afford staff for caring for them? Fortunately, babies with down syndrome cannot feel how painful is life when they are in womb.
Unwanted baby = Wanted baby.That gets complicated cuz the amount of unwanted babies and overpopulation.
Cases of a life-threatening pregnancy are answered via C-Section.That being said abortion should have some exeptions if the baby or mother was gonna die if the child was born,
Again Eugenics. Whats with Pro-choicers & Eugenics?if its incest, abort it, if the child would have a bad quality of life (extreme disability), abort it.
Fetuses have potential to become humans and it's likely that they will become one this is waterThey do the same. We do the same. Diffrence? We know their value. We are still more valuable.
On Value;
Yeah if I said value is only based on levels of sentience & conscious experience. But I don't.
Being simply Human gives you inherent value. Yet it is in conjunct with sentience & conscious experience of course. Not equal, just in conjuct
Am I going to give a Fetus - a living member of the Human species Moral value despite not being consciousness or having a low level of sentience? Yes, as I give a person in comotose them same ( MVS or PVS ); or a person of equal sentience to a fetus ( In Cases of Anencephaly ) ; or one even in death the same. ( Desecration of graves/tombs/burials/corpse is Unjust & Immoral. )
Well, not the SAME - SAME in Death; But you understand I'd still morally value this over an animal. Living / Dead is a big distinction
ONE Human life is worth more than a 1000 Cows, 1000 Sheep, 1000 Mules, 1000 Donkeys, 1000 Horses, & So-on
Not that Animal rights don't exist, For ex. Do I think its permissible to torture these being of other species beings? No.
Now we're going to get into Veganism ->
On Veganism;
We have take their lives humanely for the continuation & prosperity of our species.
On a Vegan diet your missing Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, Heme Iron, DHA/EPA, Taurine, Creatine, Carnosine, Anserine, and Vitamin K2 (MK-4). Risk defincity in Iron, Zinc, Iodine, Selenium, Calcium, Riboflavin (B2), Retinol (Vitamin A), and Protein Quality. All of these Essential Micro-nutrients/Macronutrients missing -> Malnourishment. What do you think itd gonna happen to your health?
Lets apply this to a greater societal framework. What do you think is going to happen if a given community adopted & practiced this diet for generations?
Malnourished Parents given Birth ( Miraculously ) to Malnoruished Children; Malnourish them. And they live ( Miraculously ) to Give birth ( Miraculously ) Malnourish their Children.
I missed a point here where alone ~ 3rd Generation the child is born with ( And miraculously survives )
- Neural Defects (e.g., spina bifida, anencephaly)
- Severe Brain Underdevelopment (leading to cognitive disabilities, intellectual impairment)
- Premature Birth (leading to underdeveloped organs, particularly the lungs and brain)
- Intrauterine Growth Restriction (IUGR) (low birth weight, organ underdevelopment)
- Severe Stunting (permanent low height for age, indicating chronic malnutrition)
- Severe Cognitive Impairment (intellectual disabilities, low IQ, learning disabilities)
- Severe Immune Dysfunction (high susceptibility to infections, failure to thrive)
- Permanent Motor Skill Impairments (e.g., cerebral palsy, lack of motor coordination)
- Chronic Health Conditions (e.g., type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular diseases)
- Epigenetic Damage (leading to transgenerational health issues)
I'm joking. Their Dead. So, are you 100% Okay with Ending the Human species over the wellbeing of some r*tarded animal that would murder YOU for a second if it was for the wellbeing of THEIR young.
They do the same. We do the same. Diffrence? We know their value. We are still more valuable.
@hannah WdytStill R*tarded & Obliterated by me
Are you genuinely R*tarded? When are you going to start engaging with my argument
Ad-homimen = Arugment
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99% PERCENT OF PEOPLE W/ DOWN SYNDROME LOVE THEIR LIVES
YOUR A FUCKING R*TARD HOLYYY SHIT LMAOOOOOO
Self-perceptions from People with Down Syndrome - PMC
This study asks people with Down syndrome, ages 12 and older, about their self-perception so that their information could be shared with new and expectant parents of children with Down syndrome. We analyzed valid and reliable survey instruments from ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Given the case that this baby w/ Down Syndrome has no health complications ( Excluding the Syndrome ) which is mostly the case. Cost & nurturing is relatively exactly the same as a normal baby. They eat the same food, drink the same water, breath the same air, shit the same poop, learn the same curriculum ( Diff. levels ), & so on. There are some elective services (physical, occupational, speech therapy) but that cost is low. Coming from a person who went through speech therapy. You don't need to be a millionaire.
If you would be born completely paralyzed would you want that life? What about having to be hooked up to machines 24/7?Unwanted baby = Wanted baby
Cases of a life-threatening pregnancy are answered via C-Section.
Ex. Sepsis, Sepsis is a life-threatening infection that can spread throughout the body, leading to organ failure and shock; The Sepsis is treated via anti-bodies, fluids, & medication. Baby is still delivered or C-section is given to avoid infection or speed up medical assessment & focus on the Sepsis itself rather than the baby. No need to take its life.
Again Eugenics. Whats with Pro-choicers & Eugenics?
If you would be born completely paralyzed would you want that life? What about having to be hooked up to machines 24/7?
Wait what? In Placental Abruption, Once the placenta detaches, the baby’s oxygen supply is compromised & The ONLY way to stop the bleeding and save the baby is to deliver. So emergency C-section is indicated. So yes, theres no need to kill the baby to access the bleeding.Not all life threatening pregnancy can be fixed via c-section such as Placental Abruption
Yeah, delivery of the placenta resolves Preeclampsia. If a mother cannot wait for delivery and it must be solved immediately - What do you think happens? A C-section. Again, theres no need to kill this baby. What dont you understand?or eclampsia if it is caught to late
Is your first thought when you see a child in foster care, abusive home, or a kid in need, "They should be put out of their misery"Unwanted isn't always wanted im talking about all the kids in foster care or abusive homes and kids who need more medical care are more likely to end up in those situations
GoodI would also like to add i am not pro choice in the typical sense as I believe if there are no issues abortion shouldn't be an option
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Yes? Your characterizing a life like that like its the worst thing imaginable.
Paul Alexander - Diagnosed w/ Polio & subjected to live in an Iron Lung for the rest of his life at 6
This guy loved his life & was known for it. Dude even wrote a book, My Life in an Iron Lung
Wait what? In Placental Abruption, Once the placenta detaches, the baby’s oxygen supply is compromised & The ONLY way to stop the bleeding and save the baby is to deliver. So emergency C-section is indicated. So yes, theres no need to kill the baby to access the bleeding.
Huh????? Yeah, delivery of the placenta resolves Preeclampsia. If a mother cannot wait for delivery and it must be solved immediately - What do you think happens? A C-section. Again, theres no need to kill this baby. What dont you understand?
Is your first thought when you see a child in foster care, abusive home, or a kid in need, "They should be put out of their misery"
It isn't. Their as human as you & when their in need you help them god-willing.
Good
So only kill those who live hard lives. Got it. So kill the ones that are abused, Got it.1. I dont want ppl in foster care to die and I dont even think most of them should have been aborted
No, thats a miscarriage. Removal of the corpse of a child is simply that.2. If its caught to late the child would have already died or will most likely die after delivery (yes even a dead child is an abortion)
Well don't apply this view on everybody else lol.3. Maybe its just preference but if I was born paralyzed id probably hate being alive
Then what’s ur opinion on that Adriana smith woman who had her fuckin child harvested from her corpse, the doctors decided to save her unborn child and left her braindeadUnjust, Immoral, & Retarded
No??? I never said to abort abused kids either I think u misunderstood the beginning of what I saidSo only kill those who live hard lives. Got it. So kill the ones that are abused, Got it.
No, thats a miscarriage. Removal of the corpse of a child is simply that.
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Well don't apply this view on everybody else lol.
Doctors cant do anything for her shes braindead. Theres no point in killing this fetus literally at all - no reasoning to it.Then what’s ur opinion on that Adriana smith woman who had her fuckin child harvested from her corpse, the doctors decided to save her unborn child and left her braindead
Okay so clarifyNo??? I never said to abort abused kids either I think u misunderstood the beginning of what I said
That’s not how it happened. She was alive and complained to the doctors about severe pain but they ignored her and she went brain dead. After that they abused her body forcing it to not decompose just so they could harvest that baby from her bodyDoctors cant do anything for her shes braindead. Theres no point in killing this fetus literally at all - no reasoning to it.
Its either give his child a life or not. Taking it would be a "just cause" no mother to attribute it to.
Idk how to clarify tbh, I think I kinda explained it already kids have a higher chance of neglect or abuse if they have extreme medical needs and normally will die either wayOkay so clarify
It wasn't taking the child's life they kept her in life support even tho they knew she was dead just for the purpose to deliver the child naturally the child would have died when the mother didDoctors cant do anything for her shes braindead. Theres no point in killing this fetus literally at all - no reasoning to it.
Its either give his child a life or not. Life is better. Simple
there are tons of children who grew up in sick households who wish they weren’t bornOkay so clarify
Any normal person pro life or not should be able to understand that this was wrong and violating to her corpse.It wasn't taking the child's life they kept her in life support even tho they knew she was dead just for the purpose to deliver the child naturally the child would have died when the mother did
That’s not how it happened. She was alive and complained to the doctors about severe pain but they ignored her and she went brain dead. After that they abused her body forcing it to not decompose just so they could harvest that baby from her body
It wasn't taking the child's life they kept her in life support even tho they knew she was dead just for the purpose to deliver the child naturally the child would have died when the mother did
Whats so bad about attempting to keep this child alive. I still don't understand lolAny normal person pro life or not should be able to understand that this was wrong and violating to her corpse.