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Info ALL YOU BASICALLY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT NUTRITION (GTFIH)

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The main context in which macronutrients matter is for body composition (body fat, water weight, and muscularity), which involves weight training too, as that is a large determining factor of your muscularity.

We will dive into how these macronutrients actually affect weight training outcomes, hypertrophy, and weight loss.


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The Three Primary Macronutrients

Proteins, carbohydrates, and fats each play very distinct roles, and the degree to which these macronutrients actually help hypertrophy is very situational.

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Protein: The Building Block of Muscle

Mechanisms that benefit hypertrophy:

Stimulates myofibrillar protein synthesis (MYOPS) which creates new contractile proteins (the only cause of resistance training based muscle growth)

Stimulates mTOR / muscle protein synthesis (MPS) which repairs muscle damage (but does not build muscle)


When does protein help for hypertrophy?

Protein only helps within the 48 hour period following a training session. After 48 hours of no training, MYOPS is no longer being stimulated and the high threshold muscle fibers (first to atrophy) will now begin to atrophy regardless of protein intake.

Protein continues to assist in repairing muscle damage for much longer than 48 hours because muscle damage can be present for many days. This happens through mTOR, which can still be stimulated by protein intake.


So protein can almost always REPAIR muscle but cannot always BUILD or MAINTAIN muscle.

If you are not actively training, the only time protein would maintain muscle tissue is if you are atrophying for so long that even your type 1 muscle fibers (stimulated just by walking, typing, etc.) begin to atrophy. In that case, protein could maintain those fibers because they are still being stimulated by daily activities.

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Carbohydrates: The Primary Energy Source

Mechanisms that benefit hypertrophy:

Increases motor unit recruitment: Since type 2 muscle fibers rely on anaerobic glycolysis, they require sufficient glucose in order to be recruited properly. Without sufficient carbohydrates, your type 2 muscle fibers cannot use fat, ketones, or stored body fat for efficient energy production.

Spares protein: Sufficient carbs reduce gluconeogenesis, preventing amino acids from being wasted for glucose production.

Decreases excitation contraction coupling failure (ECCF): Low muscle glycogen from low carb diets can lead to calcium ion related fatigue, reducing mechanical tension (a key factor for hypertrophy).


When do carbohydrates benefit hypertrophy?

Carbs only improve hypertrophy by improving the stimulus you can impose during training. Their utility depends on whether you are planning to train soon.

Example: If you trained yesterday but are going on holiday for a week, eating carbs for that week will not benefit hypertrophy or prevent atrophy.

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Fats: The Ultimate Evil

Mechanisms that benefit hypertrophy:

NONE except marginal effects on hormone production (irrelevant if taking exogenous hormones).


"But what about calories?"

Fats are calorie dense, but…


Pills to swallow:

1. Calories are MEANINGLESS for hypertrophy if you have sufficient body fat stores. Example: 70kg at 15% body fat = 10.5kg fat = ~81,000 calories stored. The only nutritional factors that matter for hypertrophy:

Sufficient protein

Enough carbs to keep glycogen full



2. Fat intake is a hard gainer’s worst nightmare:

Foods like peanut butter, oils, cheese, etc., add calories but don’t benefit hypertrophy.

They fill you up, slow digestion, and reduce appetite for carbs and protein.

Many hard gainers eat 5000 calories but still lose water weight from glycogen depletion while gaining fat.

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Hypertrophy Summary

Protein AFTER training

Carbs BEFORE training

Fat not needed at all


Ideal macronutrient ranges:

Protein: 0.75–1g per lb

Carbohydrates: 2.5–4g per lb

Fats: 0.1g per lb


Example (200lb male):

Protein: 150–200g

Carbs: 500–800g

Fat: 20g

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Hormones

Insulin: Made by pancreatic beta cells when blood glucose is high; increases glycogenesis, lipogenesis, amino acid uptake; inhibits gluconeogenesis and lipolysis.

Glucagon: From pancreatic alpha cells; released when glucose is low; promotes glycogenolysis and lipolysis.

Epinephrine: From adrenal medulla; promotes glycogenolysis, lipolysis; blocks glycogenesis.

Cortisol: From adrenal cortex; raises blood sugar via gluconeogenesis/glycogenolysis; blocks insulin’s Glut 4 action; causes proteolysis and lipolysis.

T3: From thyroid; boosts metabolism via Na⁺/K⁺ ATPase production; enhances lipolysis.

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Macronutrient Metabolism

Carbohydrates

Glucose fuels ATP via glycolysis, TCA cycle, ETC.

Stored as glycogen (glycogenesis) or made from non carbs (gluconeogenesis).

Without oxygen, glycolysis → lactic acid.

1 glucose molecule → 32–34 ATP.


Lipids

Stored as triglycerides (lipogenesis) or broken down (lipolysis).

Fatty acids → beta oxidation → acetyl CoA → TCA cycle or ketones.

16 carbon fatty acid → ~129 ATP.

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Maximizing Fat Loss Mechanisms: Lipolysis & Beta Oxidation

1. Maximizing Lipolysis (Fat Breakdown)

Key Factors:

Hormonal activation:

Catecholamines (B1, B2, B3) stimulate lipolysis.

Glucagon works with catecholamines.

Low insulin → more lipolysis.


Exercise: HIIT, fasted cardio → more catecholamines.

Cold exposure: Activates brown fat.


Drugs that enhance lipolysis:

Clenbuterol (B2 agonist)

Yohimbine (A2 antagonist)

Ephedrine + Caffeine

Semaglutide (GLP 1 agonist)

Growth Hormone (GH)

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2. Maximizing Beta Oxidation (Fat Burning)

Key Factors:

Mitochondrial efficiency:

Carnitine → fatty acid transport

Aerobic exercise → more mitochondria

Keto/fasting → more fat oxidation


Metabolic rate:

T3 increases fat oxidation

AMPK activation (exercise, fasting, metformin)



Drugs that enhance beta oxidation:

L Carnitine

Berberine / Metformin

T3 (Cytomel)

Ketone esters

GW501516 (Cardarine)

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Best Stack for Maximum Fat Loss

Lipolysis boosters: Clenbuterol + Yohimbine (fasted cardio) + GH

Beta oxidation enhancers: L Carnitine + Cardarine

Metabolic support: T3 (low dose) + Berberine

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Why Lipolysis + Beta Oxidation Matter

If lipolysis is low, you will burn glucose even at rest, leading to glycogen depletion and reduced hypertrophy stimulus. Over weeks, this means less fat loss and more glycogen depletion.
 
If you’re natty you need dietary saturated fats to synthesize hormones, it’s a good thread but you didn’t mention the amino acids that increase mTOR the most such as leucine and glutamine for example. Some things are not in my favor such as increasing your BMR so high but great fucking thread!
 
The main context in which macronutrients matter is for body composition (body fat, water weight, and muscularity), which involves weight training too, as that is a large determining factor of your muscularity.

We will dive into how these macronutrients actually affect weight training outcomes, hypertrophy, and weight loss.


------------------------------------------------------------------

The Three Primary Macronutrients

Proteins, carbohydrates, and fats each play very distinct roles, and the degree to which these macronutrients actually help hypertrophy is very situational.


------------------------------------------------------------------


Protein: The Building Block of Muscle

Mechanisms that benefit hypertrophy:

Stimulates myofibrillar protein synthesis (MYOPS) which creates new contractile proteins (the only cause of resistance training based muscle growth)

Stimulates mTOR / muscle protein synthesis (MPS) which repairs muscle damage (but does not build muscle)


When does protein help for hypertrophy?

Protein only helps within the 48 hour period following a training session. After 48 hours of no training, MYOPS is no longer being stimulated and the high threshold muscle fibers (first to atrophy) will now begin to atrophy regardless of protein intake.

Protein continues to assist in repairing muscle damage for much longer than 48 hours because muscle damage can be present for many days. This happens through mTOR, which can still be stimulated by protein intake.


So protein can almost always REPAIR muscle but cannot always BUILD or MAINTAIN muscle.

If you are not actively training, the only time protein would maintain muscle tissue is if you are atrophying for so long that even your type 1 muscle fibers (stimulated just by walking, typing, etc.) begin to atrophy. In that case, protein could maintain those fibers because they are still being stimulated by daily activities.


------------------------------------------------------------------

Carbohydrates: The Primary Energy Source

Mechanisms that benefit hypertrophy:

Increases motor unit recruitment: Since type 2 muscle fibers rely on anaerobic glycolysis, they require sufficient glucose in order to be recruited properly. Without sufficient carbohydrates, your type 2 muscle fibers cannot use fat, ketones, or stored body fat for efficient energy production.

Spares protein: Sufficient carbs reduce gluconeogenesis, preventing amino acids from being wasted for glucose production.

Decreases excitation contraction coupling failure (ECCF): Low muscle glycogen from low carb diets can lead to calcium ion related fatigue, reducing mechanical tension (a key factor for hypertrophy).


When do carbohydrates benefit hypertrophy?

Carbs only improve hypertrophy by improving the stimulus you can impose during training. Their utility depends on whether you are planning to train soon.

Example: If you trained yesterday but are going on holiday for a week, eating carbs for that week will not benefit hypertrophy or prevent atrophy.


------------------------------------------------------------------

Fats: The Ultimate Evil

Mechanisms that benefit hypertrophy:

NONE except marginal effects on hormone production (irrelevant if taking exogenous hormones).


"But what about calories?"

Fats are calorie dense, but…


Pills to swallow:

1. Calories are MEANINGLESS for hypertrophy if you have sufficient body fat stores. Example: 70kg at 15% body fat = 10.5kg fat = ~81,000 calories stored. The only nutritional factors that matter for hypertrophy:

Sufficient protein

Enough carbs to keep glycogen full



2. Fat intake is a hard gainer’s worst nightmare:

Foods like peanut butter, oils, cheese, etc., add calories but don’t benefit hypertrophy.

They fill you up, slow digestion, and reduce appetite for carbs and protein.

Many hard gainers eat 5000 calories but still lose water weight from glycogen depletion while gaining fat.


------------------------------------------------------------------

Hypertrophy Summary

Protein AFTER training

Carbs BEFORE training

Fat not needed at all


Ideal macronutrient ranges:

Protein: 0.75–1g per lb

Carbohydrates: 2.5–4g per lb

Fats: 0.1g per lb


Example (200lb male):

Protein: 150–200g

Carbs: 500–800g

Fat: 20g


------------------------------------------------------------------

Hormones

Insulin: Made by pancreatic beta cells when blood glucose is high; increases glycogenesis, lipogenesis, amino acid uptake; inhibits gluconeogenesis and lipolysis.

Glucagon: From pancreatic alpha cells; released when glucose is low; promotes glycogenolysis and lipolysis.

Epinephrine: From adrenal medulla; promotes glycogenolysis, lipolysis; blocks glycogenesis.

Cortisol: From adrenal cortex; raises blood sugar via gluconeogenesis/glycogenolysis; blocks insulin’s Glut 4 action; causes proteolysis and lipolysis.

T3: From thyroid; boosts metabolism via Na⁺/K⁺ ATPase production; enhances lipolysis.


------------------------------------------------------------------

Macronutrient Metabolism

Carbohydrates

Glucose fuels ATP via glycolysis, TCA cycle, ETC.

Stored as glycogen (glycogenesis) or made from non carbs (gluconeogenesis).

Without oxygen, glycolysis → lactic acid.

1 glucose molecule → 32–34 ATP.


Lipids

Stored as triglycerides (lipogenesis) or broken down (lipolysis).

Fatty acids → beta oxidation → acetyl CoA → TCA cycle or ketones.

16 carbon fatty acid → ~129 ATP.


------------------------------------------------------------------

Maximizing Fat Loss Mechanisms: Lipolysis & Beta Oxidation

1. Maximizing Lipolysis (Fat Breakdown)

Key Factors:

Hormonal activation:

Catecholamines (B1, B2, B3) stimulate lipolysis.

Glucagon works with catecholamines.

Low insulin → more lipolysis.


Exercise: HIIT, fasted cardio → more catecholamines.

Cold exposure: Activates brown fat.


Drugs that enhance lipolysis:

Clenbuterol (B2 agonist)

Yohimbine (A2 antagonist)

Ephedrine + Caffeine

Semaglutide (GLP 1 agonist)

Growth Hormone (GH)


------------------------------------------------------------------

2. Maximizing Beta Oxidation (Fat Burning)

Key Factors:

Mitochondrial efficiency:

Carnitine → fatty acid transport

Aerobic exercise → more mitochondria

Keto/fasting → more fat oxidation


Metabolic rate:

T3 increases fat oxidation

AMPK activation (exercise, fasting, metformin)



Drugs that enhance beta oxidation:

L Carnitine

Berberine / Metformin

T3 (Cytomel)

Ketone esters

GW501516 (Cardarine)


------------------------------------------------------------------

Best Stack for Maximum Fat Loss

Lipolysis boosters: Clenbuterol + Yohimbine (fasted cardio) + GH

Beta oxidation enhancers: L Carnitine + Cardarine

Metabolic support: T3 (low dose) + Berberine


------------------------------------------------------------------

Why Lipolysis + Beta Oxidation Matter

If lipolysis is low, you will burn glucose even at rest, leading to glycogen depletion and reduced hypertrophy stimulus. Over weeks, this means less fat loss and more glycogen depletion.
jfl at demonising fat
 
If you’re natty you need dietary saturated fats to synthesize hormones, it’s a good thread but you didn’t mention the amino acids that increase mTOR the most such as leucine and glutamine for example. Some things are not in my favor such as increasing your BMR so high but great fucking thread!
and leucine and glutamine are present in red meat which also has saturated fats which is very good for u, jfl at OP calling fat as useless and dense in calories
 
If you’re natty you need dietary saturated fats to synthesize hormones, it’s a good thread but you didn’t mention the amino acids that increase mTOR the most such as leucine and glutamine for example. Some things are not in my favor such as increasing your BMR so high but great fucking thread!
Thanks for pointing that out, I'll make sure to learn from my mistake
 
and leucine and glutamine are present in red meat which also has saturated fats which is very good for u, jfl at OP calling fat as useless and dense in calories
Crucify me at making a mistake bro, also there's no significant difference at hormones in low vs high fat diets so I'd assume it's not as important

 
Crucify me at making a mistake bro, also there's no significant difference at hormones in low vs high fat diets so I'd assume it's not as important
this is just ONE study tho, lack of fat is also a proven cause of constipation
 
Crucify me at making a mistake bro, also there's no significant difference at hormones in low vs high fat diets so I'd assume it's not as important

This is true but at the same time not,fat specifically saturated is important for digestion,nurtient absorbtion and major bodily functions. But yes you can synthesize cholesterol in the liver but you can obtain more exogenously with higher hormone levels. I made a thread about how leydig cells can benefit from extra cholesterol for pregnenolone. I’m not natty but I still consume some dietary fat but not a lot.
 
Better MUR
The body can only utilize glucose and glycogen for storage limitedly,having a higher carb intake than your whole glycogen stores is not ideal. Carbs=300-400g
 
Crucify me at making a mistake bro, also there's no significant difference at hormones in low vs high fat diets so I'd assume it's not as important

high carb low fat= glycation= aging
 
If you’re natty you need dietary saturated fats to synthesize hormones, it’s a good thread but you didn’t mention the amino acids that increase mTOR the most such as leucine and glutamine for example. Some things are not in my favor such as increasing your BMR so high but great fucking thread!
Having a regular high BMR is also so annoying especially when your body heat warms up the entire room. (Resting heart rate too,109 JFL)
 
High carb alone doesn’t equal glycation or aging. It’s refined or added sugars that spike glycation. Whole grain, fiber-rich carbs are associated with healthier aging, not worse
Fiber rich carb sources also complex carbs are dogshit (Ray peat perspective),insoluble fiber irritates the gut too much and it’s not the refined or added sugars that cause glycation it’s mostly excess carbohydrates no matter which source. Metabolically glucose and frutcose from HFCS and from sucrose are almost the same despite one being heavily refined (still way worse than the goat sucrose).
 
Fiber rich carb sources also complex carbs are dogshit (Ray peat perspective),insoluble fiber irritates the gut too much and it’s not the refined or added sugars that cause glycation it’s mostly excess carbohydrates no matter which source. Metabolically glucose and frutcose from HFCS and from sucrose are almost the same despite one being heavily refined (still way worse than the goat sucrose).
Did u also read the study about the comparison in ratings before vs after eating high carb meals? I'm certain u did tbh u seem knowledgeable
 
If you’re natty you need dietary saturated fats to synthesize hormones, it’s a good thread but you didn’t mention the amino acids that increase mTOR the most such as leucine and glutamine for example. Some things are not in my favor such as increasing your BMR so high but great fucking thread!
u also need epa and dha for ur brain to function+ fat intake is good for preventing gallstones+ ketones are a much efficient energy source (only when u go low carb btw).
 
The body can only utilize glucose and glycogen for storage limitedly,having a higher carb intake than your whole glycogen stores is not ideal. Carbs=300-400g
300-400g is only ideal during puberty to maximise igf 1 signally

after that low carb is the law to decrease aging
 
u also need epa and dha for ur brain to function+ fat intake is good for preventing gallstones+ ketones are a much efficient energy source (only when u go low carb btw).
EPA and DHA always essential but they’re a polyunsaturated fat so ratios are top duh. Gallstones are usually caused by anti nutrients,if I remember correctly I heard this once.
 
Holy, i might just start posting during this time of day from now on, most high iq replies I've gotten so far
 
EPA and DHA always essential but they’re a polyunsaturated fat so ratios are top duh. Gallstones are usually caused by anti nutrients,if I remember correctly I heard this once.
i thought they’re most often linked to factors like cholesterol supersaturation in bile, impaired gallbladder emptying, obesity and rapid weight loss? correct me if I'm wrong
 
. Gallstones are usually caused by anti nutrients,if I remember correctly I heard this once.
no its caused by imbalance of bile secretion due to ur fat intake, if u eat too less fat then all of the fat is digested by ur bile juice and excess bile juice can remain behind, also this causes an imbalance
 
no its caused by imbalance of bile secretion due to ur fat intake, if u eat too less fat then all of the fat is digested by ur bile juice and excess bile juice can remain behind, also this causes an imbalance
Yes! i got it, i was afraid i might be wrong on this
 
i thought they’re most often linked to factors like cholesterol supersaturation in bile, impaired gallbladder emptying, obesity and rapid weight loss? correct me if I'm wrong
Im not sure myself I heard it from a guy who’s on the primal diet,a vegan’s gallbladder got stones and it ruptured and he reacted and showed some studies that it’s most likely the anti nutrients not the dietary fat for what the vegan claims.
 
Im not sure myself I heard it from a guy who’s on the primal diet,a vegan’s gallbladder got stones and it ruptured and he reacted and showed some studies that it’s most likely the anti nutrients not the dietary fat for what the vegan claims.
wdy think abt randles cycle
 
Im not sure myself I heard it from a guy who’s on the primal diet,a vegan’s gallbladder got stones and it ruptured and he reacted and showed some studies that it’s most likely the anti nutrients not the dietary fat for what the vegan claims.
Interesting, holy I'm just realizing how i overestimated how knowledgeable i am in nutrition, i need to keep doing research
 
wdy think abt randles cycle
It’s a hard topic because it’s true with energy completion and AGEs,but theory is just eat carbs and fat separately during the day and not at once. Sounds stupid but this is the only thing that most I can’t fix on glucose-fueled energy to prevent but after doing this I feel generally better I don’t know how to explain it exactly.
 
watch face iq for diff perspective of nutrition
I do watch him, infact on many times on discord i saw him debate others, but the guy he's always debating, the same one I'm taking advice from, usually seems to win the debates, providing more research and more logical explanations, i will be more open minded to his ideas though
 
watch face iq for diff perspective of nutrition
I do watch him, infact on many times on discord i saw him debate others, but the guy he's always debating, the same one I'm taking advice from, usually seems to win the debates, providing more research and more logical explanations, i will be more open minded to his ideas though
Face IQ honestly just repeats the same stuff.
 
Clavicular,Androgenic,Face IQ,none of their dietary advice in my opinion is good but some other things maybe.
why?

androgenic promotes igf1 signalling which i think is dope
clav is retarded tho
face iq is more into raw primal which is cool
 
he is knowledgeable for sure tho, like i got to learn from him that counting calories are overrated and most of the times it doesnt work
What about metabolic rate? How would calories be cope if you for example increase BMR and burn more for example. Genuinely curious
 
What about metabolic rate? How would calories be cope if you for example increase BMR and burn more for example. Genuinely curious
Calorie counting is pointless because the science is flawed, the FDA accounts for 20-40% error in calorie counting. Also calorie is a unit of heat, we cannot eat heat energy but mass. Also we don’t combust our foods, for example “our phones contain 2000 cal which means when we combust our phone we get 2000 cal worth of heat energy”, we biochemically process our food, not combust them. Also calories are measured in a closed thermodynamic system via caloriemeterbomb, we are open thermodynamic system so it doesn’t make any sense.
 

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