Hypothesis Any Turkic, Mongolian, Hunnic, Uralic or Steppe Descendants Here? (In regards to Turan)

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

Title.

 

[ecoli]

Title.

yes

 

[Deleted member 77539]

Not me tbh

 

[ecoli]

Not me tbh

turan needs you

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

turan needs you

No no, we are fine as is.

 

[Deleted Member 74605]

@vespertine is Turkish and Somali

 

[ecoli]

No no, we are fine as is.

what is the point of this thread

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

@vespertine is Turkish and Somali

 

[ecoli]

@vespertine is Turkish and Somali

factual

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

what is the point of this thread

Finding others of our ilk.

 

[vespertine]

i like how you included "hunnic" separately from "turkic". watch out, turks will have a meltdown if you bring up how there is no conclusive evidence the huns spoke a turkic language

 

[ecoli]

i like how you included "hunnic" separately from "turkic". watch out, turks will have a meltdown if you bring up how there is no conclusive evidence the huns spoke a turkic language

huns are turkic

 

[vespertine]

huns are turkic

please support your claim

 

[ecoli]

please support your claim

 

[vespertine]

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i appreciate the effort.

but turkic peoples are defined as speaking turkic languages. this does not inform on their language. all it shows is what we already know. the huns had a north-east asian component. modern day anatolians have a northeast asian component as well.

the huns could have also spoken a mongolic or tunguscic language. turks and crimean tatars cluster closer to mongols and manchus than brits or germans. doesn't make turkish people mongols, or mongol people turkish or turkic.

that map is about genetic proximity, not cultural or linguistic facts. the huns had considerable ancestry from east eurasia, we all know that.

 

[ecoli]

i appreciate the effort.

but turkic peoples are defined as speaking turkic languages. this does not inform on their language. all it shows is what we already know. the huns had a north-east asian component. modern day anatolians have a northeast asian component as well.

the huns could have also spoken a mongolic or tunguscic language. turks and crimean tatars cluster closer to mongols and manchus than brits or germans. doesn't make turkish people mongols, or mongol people turkish or turkic.

that map is about genetic proximity, not cultural or linguistic facts. the huns had considerable ancestry from east eurasia, we all know that.

i know i know i still see them as turkic even tho there isn't much proof i don't get offended if anyone says otherwise tho

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

i like how you included "hunnic" separately from "turkic". watch out, turks will have a meltdown if you bring up how there is no conclusive evidence the huns spoke a turkic language

i appreciate the effort.

but turkic peoples are defined as speaking turkic languages. this does not inform on their language. all it shows is what we already know. the huns had a north-east asian component. modern day anatolians have a northeast asian component as well.

the huns could have also spoken a mongolic or tunguscic language. turks and crimean tatars cluster closer to mongols and manchus than brits or germans. doesn't make turkish people mongols, or mongol people turkish or turkic.

that map is about genetic proximity, not cultural or linguistic facts. the huns had considerable ancestry from east eurasia, we all know that.

They are Hunnic, east asian. Not Steppe turkic. Just like Hungarians and the other uralics are not turkic. The only reason Magyars have any turkic is due to us absorbing the fleeing Cumans/kipcacks, avars in 900 and due to us working in the steppe federation with both Huns and Turkics.

In legend, Hungarians are the descendants of the Huns and Scythians.

 

[ecoli]

They are Hunnic, east asian. Not Steppe turkic. Just like Hungarians and the other uralics are not turkic. The only reason Magyars have any turkic is due to us absorbing the fleeing Cumans/kipcacks, avars in 900 and due to us working in the steppe federation with both Huns and Turkics.

In legend, Hungarians are the descendants of the Huns and Scythians.

arguable but okay

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

arguable but okay

History and genetics back it. Huns at best were partly Turkic, not fully.

 

[vespertine]

They are Hunnic, east asian. Not Steppe turkic. Just like Hungarians and the other uralics are not turkic. The only reason Magyars have any turkic is due to us absorbing the fleeing Cumans/kipcacks, avars in 900 and due to us working in the steppe federation with both Huns and Turkics.

In legend, Hungarians are the descendants of the Huns and Scythians.

big emphasis on the "in legend"

saying the magyars worked in the steppe federation with huns and turkics is shaky. the timeline doesn't exactly line up with the attilla the huns period.

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

big emphasis on the "in legend"

saying the magyars worked in the steppe federation with huns and turkics is shaky. the timeline doesn't exactly line up with the attilla the huns period.

Then where were we in the last 1500 years? Just running about in the hills? There is a reason why the Cumans and Kipcachs and even Avars came to us first. A kindred knows one another.

Even though we have countless pagan theologies and relations to the scyathians and some genetic links to the Huns and other smaller groups. I think we do. We are one of the very few races, if not the last who still believe in the miracle stag which was scyathian in nature.

 

[selank]

Title.

I think I have some Mongolian in me.

 

[vespertine]

Then where were we in the last 1500 years? Just running about in the hills? There is a reason why the Cumans and Kipcachs and even Avars came to us first. A kindred knows one another.

Even though we have countless pagan theologies and relations to the scyathians and some genetic links to the Huns and other smaller groups. I think we do. We are one of the very few races, if not the last who still believe in the miracle stag which was scyathian in nature.

so medieval hungarians had a steppe-style origin myth. that's what you're showing.

it does not prove descent from the huns, or genetic or linguistic or political continuity. you'll find similar motifs across groups that iranian speaking, like the scythians, or mongolic or turkic groups. it doesn't map neatly onto ancestry.

genetics doesn't rescue the claim. steppe populations mixed constantly. “Some shared ancestry” does not mean “we are them”.

and the hungarians showed up in europe in the late 9th century. the hunnic empire collapsed in the mid-5th century. thats a 400 year gap.

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

so medieval hungarians had a steppe-style origin myth. that's what you're showing.

it does not prove descent from the huns, or genetic or linguistic or political continuity. you'll find similar motifs across groups that iranian speaking, like the scythians, or mongolic or turkic groups. it doesn't map neatly onto ancestry.

genetics doesn't rescue the claim. steppe populations mixed constantly. “Some shared ancestry” does not mean “we are them”.

and the hungarians showed up in europe in the late 9th century. the hunnic empire collapsed in the mid-5th century. thats a 400 year gap.

We are the true descendants of the sumerians and atlantians. We are God's chosen. I just want my land back.

 

[knightmaxxer]

do tajiks count

 

[Inanimate Pragmatist]

do tajiks count

Yes. You are highly connected to Kipchaks.

 

[knightmaxxer]

Yes. You are highly connected to Kipchaks.

I can already feel the horse spirit coming inside me