Best non-surgical methods for thin + hollow under-eyes?

[1armfrontlever]

My main issue is dark under-eyes from thin/translucent skin + hollowness/shadowing, not really pigmentation.

I'm looking specifically for methods that can increase under-eye fullness/volume and/or thicken the skin, preferably topical/non-invasive.

What I've found so far:

• Volufiline / sarsasapogenin — supposed adipogenic/fullness effect
• Retinal/retinol — collagen + skin remodeling
• GHK-Cu / copper peptides / Matrixyl — collagen/ECM support
• PDRN / “salmon DNA” — skin regeneration
• Collagen peptides — systemic skin support
• Volufiline + retinal products, e.g. retinal multi-balms
• I've also seen people mention topical rosiglitazone/pioglitazone for adipogenesis, but these seem much more experimental.

I recently came across Voluelle, which claims to be a sarsasapogenin nanoemulgel designed for better penetration than normal topical Volufiline. They're currently doing a $50 prototype trial with photo/feedback requirements.

I'm mainly looking for actual experience/results, especially:

1. Has anyone noticeably increased under-eye fullness with Volufiline or another topical?
2. Has anyone used Voluelle specifically? Results after 2–4+ weeks?
3. Any better/more effective topical adipogenic ingredients than Volufiline?
4. For thin under-eye skin, which worked best: retinal, copper peptides, Matrixyl, PDRN, etc.?
5. If you've personally used any of these, what product and how long before you noticed a difference?

Not looking for surgery, filler, PRP/PRF, laser, or RLT. I'm mainly interested in topicals/creams/serums and personal results.

 

[Edemihra]

My main issue is dark under-eyes from thin/translucent skin + hollowness/shadowing, not really pigmentation.

I'm looking specifically for methods that can increase under-eye fullness/volume and/or thicken the skin, preferably topical/non-invasive.

What I've found so far:

• Volufiline / sarsasapogenin — supposed adipogenic/fullness effect
• Retinal/retinol — collagen + skin remodeling
• GHK-Cu / copper peptides / Matrixyl — collagen/ECM support
• PDRN / “salmon DNA” — skin regeneration
• Collagen peptides — systemic skin support
• Volufiline + retinal products, e.g. retinal multi-balms
• I've also seen people mention topical rosiglitazone/pioglitazone for adipogenesis, but these seem much more experimental.

I recently came across Voluelle, which claims to be a sarsasapogenin nanoemulgel designed for better penetration than normal topical Volufiline. They're currently doing a $50 prototype trial with photo/feedback requirements.

I'm mainly looking for actual experience/results, especially:

1. Has anyone noticeably increased under-eye fullness with Volufiline or another topical?
2. Has anyone used Voluelle specifically? Results after 2–4+ weeks?
3. Any better/more effective topical adipogenic ingredients than Volufiline?
4. For thin under-eye skin, which worked best: retinal, copper peptides, Matrixyl, PDRN, etc.?
5. If you've personally used any of these, what product and how long before you noticed a difference?

Not looking for surgery, filler, PRP/PRF, laser, or RLT. I'm mainly interested in topicals/creams/serums and personal results.

In short, anything besides retinol and ghk won't do much. I recommend estriol cream and bs for your infras, it worked for me. Be very fucking careful with bs, especially on your infras and don't expect immediate results. For bs i recommend looking up major veins and arteries in your face, as well as nerve locations so you have a general idea where you can hit properly without fucking up your face. Tret worked for me also, merely because i had hyperpigmentation too. Also face muscles under the eyes can help with that, but you need to be on AAS to see any quick result. You can't just grow your face muscles effectively, that's what face exercises promote. Sure it might work, but while on roids. Hope this helps : )

 

[1armfrontlever]

In short, anything besides retinol and ghk won't do much. I recommend estriol cream and bs for your infras, it worked for me. Be very fucking careful with bs, especially on your infras and don't expect immediate results. For bs i recommend looking up major veins and arteries in your face, as well as nerve locations so you have a general idea where you can hit properly without fucking up your face. Tret worked for me also, merely because i had hyperpigmentation too. Also face muscles under the eyes can help with that, but you need to be on AAS to see any quick result. You can't just grow your face muscles effectively, that's what face exercises promote. Sure it might work, but while on roids. Hope this helps : )

Damn ok thx i mean yeah androgens help w the growth drastically, u sure abt retinoid n ghk? wb stuff like volufifline n shi to add fat to the tissue, i think thats def not cope no? for the infras im sure nerves regrow, id prob js smash w the my middle thumb from arab supermans adv ice, i dont think im gna do tret cuz its not a hyperpig problem, more as like hollowness and fat issue, i do do orbicularis oculi training but what do u think abt squinting all the times? tissues adapt to froce overtime right but alota ppl say its cope, recommend derma stamp/roll w volufifline n some topical stuff? sadly cant b on any pinning lmao

 

[Aryy]

In short, anything besides retinol and ghk won't do much. I recommend estriol cream and bs for your infras, it worked for me. Be very fucking careful with bs, especially on your infras and don't expect immediate results. For bs i recommend looking up major veins and arteries in your face, as well as nerve locations so you have a general idea where you can hit properly without fucking up your face. Tret worked for me also, merely because i had hyperpigmentation too. Also face muscles under the eyes can help with that, but you need to be on AAS to see any quick result. You can't just grow your face muscles effectively, that's what face exercises promote. Sure it might work, but while on roids. Hope this helps : )

Im using estriol for my undereyes too how much do u think it helped u

 

[Edemihra]

Damn ok thx i mean yeah androgens help w the growth drastically, u sure abt retinoid n ghk? wb stuff like volufifline n shi to add fat to the tissue, i think thats def not cope no? for the infras im sure nerves regrow, id prob js smash w the my middle thumb from arab supermans adv ice, i dont think im gna do tret cuz its not a hyperpig problem, more as like hollowness and fat issue, i do do orbicularis oculi training but what do u think abt squinting all the times? tissues adapt to froce overtime right but alota ppl say its cope, recommend derma stamp/roll w volufifline n some topical stuff? sadly cant b on any pinning lmao

Yeah, retinoids and ghk work. Things that promote fat tissue growth are bullshit in my opinion, again it might work for you but for me it didn't. The nerve damage reverses only if it's not too bad. For example, i have almost no feeling in my zygos and chin. Eye muscle training won't work unless you're on steroids. Perma squinting works, but more for eye shape and uee. The thing with the tissue adapting is true, but no bone growth and the rest is cope.

 

[Edemihra]

Im using estriol for my undereyes too how much do u think it helped u

It helped quite a bit for me, but not magic. Again, the results varies on the person using it and the root of your problem.

 

[1armfrontlever]

Im using estriol for my undereyes too how much do u think it helped u

nah lwk nvr used anything else except serum caffeine, any sides? u do the ur estrogen raised right, more collagen production would help but its more the hollowness and fat issue i think

 

[1armfrontlever]

Yeah, retinoids and ghk work. Things that promote fat tissue growth are bullshit in my opinion, again it might work for you but for me it didn't. The nerve damage reverses only if it's not too bad. For example, i have almost no feeling in my zygos and chin. Eye muscle training won't work unless you're on steroids. Perma squinting works, but more for eye shape and uee. The thing with the tissue adapting is true, but no bone growth and the rest is cope.

Okk gotchu, lwk the no feeling at is a good thing mma fighters they can absorb alota force when being hit thats the almost same thing, and u can hit harder the next time it means

 

[Aryy]

nah lwk nvr used anything else except serum caffeine, any sides? u do the ur estrogen raised right, more collagen production would help but its more the hollowness and fat issue i think

it plumps the skin so it can help a bit

how old are u

 

[1armfrontlever]

it plumps the skin so it can help a bit

how old are u

yee, im 15

 

[had]

My main issue is dark under-eyes from thin/translucent skin + hollowness/shadowing, not really pigmentation.

I'm looking specifically for methods that can increase under-eye fullness/volume and/or thicken the skin, preferably topical/non-invasive.

What I've found so far:

• Volufiline / sarsasapogenin — supposed adipogenic/fullness effect
• Retinal/retinol — collagen + skin remodeling
• GHK-Cu / copper peptides / Matrixyl — collagen/ECM support
• PDRN / “salmon DNA” — skin regeneration
• Collagen peptides — systemic skin support
• Volufiline + retinal products, e.g. retinal multi-balms
• I've also seen people mention topical rosiglitazone/pioglitazone for adipogenesis, but these seem much more experimental.

I recently came across Voluelle, which claims to be a sarsasapogenin nanoemulgel designed for better penetration than normal topical Volufiline. They're currently doing a $50 prototype trial with photo/feedback requirements.

I'm mainly looking for actual experience/results, especially:

1. Has anyone noticeably increased under-eye fullness with Volufiline or another topical?
2. Has anyone used Voluelle specifically? Results after 2–4+ weeks?
3. Any better/more effective topical adipogenic ingredients than Volufiline?
4. For thin under-eye skin, which worked best: retinal, copper peptides, Matrixyl, PDRN, etc.?
5. If you've personally used any of these, what product and how long before you noticed a difference?

Not looking for surgery, filler, PRP/PRF, laser, or RLT. I'm mainly interested in topicals/creams/serums and personal results.

Rosiglitazone is not experimental, there have been studies conducted that directly point to it maturing fat cells.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12023181/