Discussion former forum users message to women on these forums

[rand anon]

yes, but i wouldn't say the core cause of their depression is because of resentment and/or anger. anger and resentment is often the symptom of depression. to be an incel vs somebody who's depressed and lashing out, the roles need to be reversed.

well I'm an "incel" and that isn't the core cause of my depression, I'd reckon that it isn't for most incels either

edit: i still agree with your overall sentiment though, thank you for contributing. @Randomized Shame is gonna make me crash out! (with peace, love, and respect of course)

I skimmed through ur posts in this thread. Correct me if I'm wrong but ur view seems to boil down to, "yes men are facing x issues but women are too". I just plain disagree, imo the pendulum has shifted so to speak

I can acknowledge that women may have had it "worse" in the past, but even if someone laid out the most concise argument you don't seem like the type to ever be convinced that men could possibly have it worse at any point in time

 

[sup]

well I'm an "incel" and that isn't the core cause of my depression, I'd reckon that it isn't for most incels either


I skimmed through ur posts in this thread. Correct me if I'm wrong but ur view seems to boil down to, "yes men are facing x issues but women are too". I just plain disagree, imo the pendulum has shifted so to speak

I can acknowledge that women may have had it "worse" in the past, but even if someone laid out the most concise argument you don't seem like the type to ever be convinced that men could possibly have it worse at any point in time

i do 100% think men have it worse in different ways. in terms of dating specifically, there's an expectation that men should pay in more than they receive. there's also the sense of "lonely men should accept what they can get, even if the women treat them like ass." in these regards, men suffer the most. but if you don't believe your core depression is caused by the fact you're an incel but rather a symptom, why label yourself an incel? incel is different from being a lonely man, as i'm sure most know. but incels aren't known for being an understanding support group. they're known for anger, the several incel shooters didn't come from a supportive community. in my core belief, you can't be an incel without being resentful and angry over the fact women don't provide you something you think is universal. if you were to speak to anybody outside of these communities, their first reaction isn't "wow, i'm sorry to hear you're an incel." it's being blocked or mocked, right? there's a difference in how people in this community feel about the word incel vs how the outside world views it. i'm not an incel or male, so i speak strictly from the different, outsider's pov.

 

[rand anon]

i do 100% think men have it worse in different ways.

maybe I should've been more clear, but that was sort of my point. There's no world for u in which men could broadly have it worse

in terms of dating specifically, there's an expectation that men should pay in more than they receive. there's also the sense of "lonely men should accept what they can get, even if the women treat them like ass." in these regards, men suffer the most. but if you don't believe your core depression is caused by the fact you're an incel but rather a symptom, why label yourself an incel? incel is different from being a lonely man, as i'm sure most know. but incels aren't known for being an understanding support group. they're known for anger, the several incel shooters didn't come from a supportive community. in my core belief, you can't be an incel without being resentful and angry over the fact women don't provide you something you think is universal. if you were to speak to anybody outside of these communities, their first reaction isn't "wow, i'm sorry to hear you're an incel." it's being blocked or mocked, right? there's a difference in how people in this community feel about the word incel vs how the outside world views it. i'm not an incel or male, so i speak strictly from the different, outsider's pov.

yeah I figured u were an outsider

The online incel community comprises of hundreds of thousands of guys at this point. A few randos committing atrocities is statistically insignificant. With all due respect I couldn't care less what the average normie thinks an incel is. We both define the term differently, I and many other men won't stop using the label just cause it's politically incorrect

 

[sup]

maybe I should've been more clear, but that was sort of my point. There's no world for u in which men could broadly have it worse


yeah I figured u were an outsider

The online incel community comprises of hundreds of thousands of guys at this point. A few randos committing atrocities is statistically insignificant. With all due respect I couldn't care less what the average normie thinks an incel is. We both define the term differently, I and many other men won't stop using the label just cause it's politically incorrect

that's your choice. i was tagged to give a generalized opinion, not tell you how to view your life. this is where my issue lies. i can't get into the weeds about what you think vs what this other incel thinks and how you feel like your view on the word is different, etc. i've seen the posts on incel is and .org. they're not horrifying to you, because you take part. obviously. but even if you don't shoot up schools, i find those posts horrific. and who else's pov am i supposed to comment on besides my own? contrary to popular belief i don't care what's pc or not. if i did, i wouldn't be here. i'm also here because i want to understand more as an outsider. but obviously if you don't care, there's no point.

 

[rand anon]

that's your choice. i was tagged to give a generalized opinion, not tell you how to view your life. this is where my issue lies. i can't get into the weeds about what you think vs what this other incel thinks and how you feel like your view on the word is different, etc. i've seen the posts on incel is and .org. they're not horrifying to you, because you take part. obviously. but even if you don't shoot up schools, i find those posts horrific. and who else's pov am i supposed to comment on besides my own?

Idk what ur age range is but uh, have u ever heard of shitposting? Org is a bunch of guys on a forum shooting the shit, it's just locker room talk.

contrary to popular belief i don't care what's pc or not. if i did, i wouldn't be here. i'm also here because i want to understand more as an outsider. but obviously if you don't care, there's no point.

Well it's hard to believe otherwise when ur just telling us to drop a label that we identify with

And likewise I'm giving u a generalized opinion of what incels are from our pov, not just speaking for myself

 

[sup]

Idk what ur age range is but uh, have u ever heard of shitposting? Org is a bunch of guys on a forum shooting the shit, it's just locker room talk.

Well it's hard to believe otherwise when ur just telling us to drop a label that we identify with

And likewise I'm giving u a generalized opinion of what incels are from our pov, not just speaking for myself

i know what shit posting is but i feel like it stops being a meme once you have several spaces dedicated to it. if i post a racist meme and say it's just a lil joke, would you take that at face value if i were in anti-black spaces? i would hope not.

i didn't tell you to drop the label, i just mentioned what an outsider's pov is. the overall point i've been trying to make which i think got lost somewhere along the way is as an outsider, the difference between male incels vs femcels mean nothing to me. because i have an issue with the ideology, not the label. the reason i went in depth was mostly for @Randomized Shame as this is how we've been interacting. he says something, i disagree and i explain why. to anybody else who doesn't care about the fluff, it sounds like random noise.

 

[rand anon]

i know what shit posting is but i feel like it stops being a meme once you have several spaces dedicated to it.

ur feeling would be wrong then, a shitposting space is for shitposting, plain and simple

if i post a racist meme and say it's just a lil joke, would you take that at face value if i were in anti-black spaces? i would hope not.

false analogy
org or this place don't hve it anywhere written on the sites that they're "anti-women", or whatever the hell u think incels are, spaces

i didn't tell you to drop the label, i just mentioned what an outsider's pov is. the overall point i've been trying to make which i think got lost somewhere along the way is as an outsider, the difference between male incels vs femcels mean nothing to me. because i have an issue with the ideology, not the label. the reason i went in depth was mostly for @Randomized Shame as this is how we've been interacting. he says something, i disagree and i explain why. to anybody else who doesn't care about the fluff, it sounds like random n

bruh come on, we both know that that's what the implication is

anyways, I think u hve a flawed understanding of what the ideology is but whatever

 

[sup]

ur feeling would be wrong then, a shitposting space is for shitposting, plain and simple

false analogy
org or this place don't hve it anywhere written on the sites that they're "anti-women", or whatever the hell u think incels are, spaces


bruh come on, we both know that that's what the implication is

anyways, I think u hve a flawed understanding of what the ideology is but whatever

incel dot is doesn't allow women. looksmaxxing dot org doesn't allow women. looksmaxxing dot com does. anti-women doesn't have to be "fuck women i'm gonna foam at the mouth and talk about all this cruel fucked up shit grrr!", it just means against. i know what is shown or told to me, obviously i'm not IN these spaces. but given this interaction, obviously it's not like i'd be welcomed with open arms. you've told me directly you don't care what a normie thinks, so it makes it difficult for me to give you benefit of the doubt. you are a representation of your community. but if this is your baseline, i don't think it should be shocking as to why i don't think the ideology is rainbow and sunshine.

 

[rand anon]

incel dot is doesn't allow women. looksmaxxing dot org doesn't allow women. looksmaxxing dot com does.

Vindicta and the other pink pill spaces don’t allow men. No one’s crying about them being anti men spaces. Just like women are allowed to hve their own spaces men should as well

anti-women doesn't have to be "fuck women i'm gonna foam at the mouth and talk about all this cruel fucked up shit grrr!", it just means against. i know what is shown or told to me,

Again, it’s locker room talk. Ur a woman so I wouldn't expect u to get it, but that's just how men banter and express themselves when they're in their feelings

obviously it's not like i'd be welcomed with open arms. you've told me directly you don't care what a normie thinks, so it makes it difficult for me to give you benefit of the doubt. you are a representation of your community. but if this is your baseline, i don't think it should be shocking as to why i don't think the ideology is rainbow and sunshine.

Why would I lol, u people come into our community, chastise us, and still expect a warm welcome. Pleaaasse

 

[sup]

Vindicta and the other pink pill spaces don’t allow men. No one’s crying about them being anti men spaces. Just like women are allowed to hve their own spaces men should as well

Again, it’s locker room talk. Ur a woman so I wouldn't expect u to get it, but that's just how men banter and express themselves when they're in their feelings

Why would I lol, u people come into our community, chastise us, and still expect a warm welcome. Pleaaasse

to repeat, i don't support femcels either. i don't think they should have a space that's anti-men and being gross about it. sure, it's men's locker talk. i wouldn't understand it. but instead of just saying "you wouldn't get it," why not clarify more clearly what it truly is then? i don't understand what "in their feelings" means in this context.

i am allowed to make an account here. how am i chastising or invading your community? in public discussions with the admin (starts here), he expresses his desire to avoid having a hateful community and asks for recommendations, which i gave my honest opinion on. as long as the community stays where it is at, it won't ever change.

secondly, i never once spoke down to you or insulted you. i've tried to clarify countless times that when i say something about how the outside world views communities such as these that it's inherently negative, but i'm still here trying to engage in a respectful way. i genuinely don't care about the pc shit you think i do, and i have already mentioned several times i don't think it's acceptable from either side. the projections about how "women are allowed to have their own spaces and nobody complains!" doesn't apply to me, just like how you said my current understanding of what an incel is doesn't apply to you. i'm tryna work with you but you're more focused on some gotcha moment, i guess.

if you disagree with my approach, that's within your right. but information such as "don't do X" with no follow up as to what is acceptable is useless to me in terms of understanding or improving.

 

[rand anon]

to repeat, i don't support femcels either. i don't think they should have a space that's anti-men and being gross about it

I think they should

i am allowed to make an account here. how am i chastising or invading your community? in public discussions with the admin (starts here), he expresses his desire to avoid having a hateful community and asks for recommendations, which i gave my honest opinion on. as long as the community stays where it is at, it won't ever change.

I meant normies in general, not u specifically

secondly, i never once spoke down to you or insulted you. i've tried to clarify countless times that when i say something about how the outside world views communities such as these that it's inherently negative, but i'm still here trying to engage in a respectful way. i genuinely don't care about the pc shit you think i do, and i have already mentioned several times i don't think it's acceptable from either side. the projections about how "women are allowed to have their own spaces and nobody complains!" doesn't apply to me, just like how you said my current understanding of what an incel is doesn't apply to you. i'm tryna work with you but you're more focused on some gotcha moment, i guess.

I was trying to say that ur current understanding of what incels are doesn't apply to the majority of incels, not just me

if you disagree with my approach, that's within your right. but information such as "don't do X" with no follow up as to what is acceptable is useless to me in terms of understanding or improving.

I mean I never told u not to do anything...

sure, it's men's locker talk. i wouldn't understand it. but instead of just saying "you wouldn't get it," why not clarify more clearly what it truly is then? i don't understand what "in their feelings" means in this context.

lol, not sure how I'm supposed to rly explain that. But I can give it a go in the morning if you'd like, I'm hella tired now

 

[sup]

I think they should


I meant normies in general, not u specifically

I was trying to say that ur current understanding of what incels are doesn't apply to the majority of incels, not just me


I mean I never told u not to do anything...


lol, not sure how I'm supposed to rly explain that. But I can give it a go in the morning if you'd like, I'm hella tired now

thank you for clarification. i am down to further convo, but i do understand being tired. don't let me keep you up.
also, when i mentioned the "don't do X" thing, i thought the implication of being invaded, chastised, and expecting a warm welcome was that i shouldn't be doing those things, since you mentioned implications earlier. but i could've worded that better for sure.

edit: i might've used implication wrong technically. i guess i meant i took what you said at face value since that's what the interpretation was from that statement. but i do think i could've worded it a bit more correctly. i'm trying to shorten a bit more since i feel like i tend to overexplain and it gets lost in the sauce otherwise.

 

[Deleted Member 65473]

facts girls r the only true allies I never did anything for a man’s approval

U talk shit behind eachothers backs n***a and u pretended to hate bbc for schizotypalcel approval

 

[Sexysmokerboy]

U talk shit behind eachothers backs n***a and u pretended to hate bbc for schizotypalcel approval

It was an epiphany that hit after the fallout