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Frame (and strength) arent cope.

Sethro

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I'll never understand the people that say frame or strength is cope. I could show NUMEROUS studies and independent surveys that all say the same thing: Guys with an athletic frame and who are stronger are considered more attractive then those that are non-athletic and weak, on average. And Guys on this site will all still say "nah bro cope." When it could just be easier to say "I just dont like working out and dont wanna do it."
I get it, face and hair is most of your look. But most isnt all. And frame especially makes up alot of the rest of your look.
For example: theres you, Thad, who we'll just say is a 6/10 facaial aestetics wise, and you have a friend, Brad, who is also a 6/10 facial aestetics wise. You both have an average bone frame, simular muscle insertions and are the same height too. BUT! you have a scrawny body. Youre lean, but have very little muscle mass, average shoulders that look narrow because you are leaned out and never trained them, an average waist, and wost of all: chicken legs. You're weak and have trouble lifting even a couch. Nothing to write home about. But Brad... Brad trained his body. Brad has muscular, wide shoulders with well developed lats that both look big enough that they make his average sized waist look small. He has abs that pop, and well built legs. He benches 225, squats 325, and deadlifts 400lbs. He out does you in every lift possible. Now, Take the general population and tell me who they'll choose as being more attractive?
And if you say yourself, you're the coper here.
And before I hear it, YES you can be too muscular, obviously. Ronnie Coleman is a phenomenal human being but he still gets mogged from an attractiveness stand point of view.
Thanks for the read, you weirdo.
 
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I suppose they get their reference from models like barrett who because of their modeling have to stay super lean year-round, and he’s still considered one of the highest ideals within looksmaxxing. Not disagreeing with you, in fact I think women who say “girls don’t like muscles as much as guys believe we do.” is a genuine lie for reasons I have not yet sussed out.
 
I'll never understand the people that say frame or strength is cope. I could show NUMEROUS studies and independent surveys that all say the same thing: Guys with an athletic frame and who are stronger are considered more attractive then those that are non-athletic and weak, on average. And Guys on this site will all still say "nah bro cope." When it could just be easier to say "I just dont like working out and dont wanna do it."
I get it, face and hair is most of your look. But most isnt all. And frame especially makes up alot of the rest of your look.
For example: theres you, Thad, who we'll just say is a 6/10 facaial aestetics wise, and you have a friend, Brad, who is also a 6/10 facial aestetics wise. You both have an average bone frame, simular muscle insertions and are the same height too. BUT! you have a scrawny body. Youre lean, but have very little muscle mass, average shoulders that look narrow because you are leaned out and never trained them, an average waist, and wost of all: chicken legs. You're weak and have trouble lifting even a couch. Nothing to write home about. But Brad... Brad trained his body. Brad has muscular, wide shoulders with well developed lats that both look big enough that they make his average sized waist look small. He has abs that pop, and well built legs. He benches 225, squats 325, and deadlifts 400lbs. He out does you in every lift possible. Now, Take the general population and tell me who they'll choose as being more attractive?
And if you say yourself, you're the coper here.
And before I hear it, YES you can be too muscular, obviously. Ronnie Coleman is a phenomenal human being but he still gets mogged from an attractiveness stand point of view.
Thanks for the read, you weirdo.
Frame and muscle are meaningless without a good face.
 
Right train of thought but arrived at the wrong conclusion
Going jim will never give you a good frame since it's built by BONES. Wide scapula, wide clavicles, thin (not too much) waist
Gymcels have no functional strength also, btw, it's all for lifting the metal and nothing else
 
Right train of thought but arrived at the wrong conclusion
Going jim will never give you a good frame since it's built by BONES. Wide scapula, wide clavicles, thin (not too much) waist
Gymcels have no functional strength also, btw, it's all for lifting the metal and nothing else
Lifting does increase general strength.
 
if you wanna increase sex appeal while becoming more dangerous get a gun instead of big muscles.
A gun will make you seem more masculine or dangerous. But, so will muscles. Get both.
 
A gun will make you seem more masculine or dangerous. But, so will muscles. Get both.
Muscle do nothing for getting women. Go to any gym and you'll even see the most hardwore gym girls with their skinny / slim boyfriends.
 
Right train of thought but arrived at the wrong conclusion
Going jim will never give you a good frame since it's built by BONES. Wide scapula, wide clavicles, thin (not too much) waist
Gymcels have no functional strength also, btw, it's all for lifting the metal and nothing else
Yeah im not disagreeing. But having an average to below average bone frame doesnt make you exempt from becoming aestetic asf. Plenty of people have narrow shoulders and still look great. Plenty of people have wide hips and still look great. Yeah if you have the worlds biggest hip bones with the most narrow clavicles its gonna look weird, but no one had bone structure like that. You might have slightly big hip and narrow shoulders but you can still look better aesteticly even if you dont have a David Laid frame.
 
Muscle do nothing for getting women. Go to any gym and you'll even see the most hardwore gym girls with their skinny / slim boyfriends.
I go to the gym and dont see that actually. Plenty of people there that are fit have fit parners. If you're fit your more likely to have a fit partner since its something you value, and you probably like getting with people with your same values.
 
Debunked with this one pic.
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Right train of thought but arrived at the wrong conclusion
Going jim will never give you a good frame since it's built by BONES. Wide scapula, wide clavicles, thin (not too much) waist
Gymcels have no functional strength also, btw, it's all for lifting the metal and nothing else
FUNCTIONAL STRENGTH AHAHAHAH
 
Fella watched too much Mario Rios
 
I go to the gym and dont see that actually. Plenty of people there that are fit have fit parners. If you're fit your more likely to have a fit partner since its something you value, and you probably like getting with people with your same values.
You can be fit and not jacked aka slim... Gymcelling is a mental illness.

Some women who are hardcore gym goers don't want an in shape bf because she'll feel that he is overshadowing her. So they pick skinny guys instead.
 
Yep, another “Ugh I dont wanna get too big” lad
You can be fit and not jacked aka slim... Gymcelling is a mental illness.

Some women who are hardcore gym goers don't want an in shape bf because she'll feel that he is overshadowing her. So they pick skinny guys instead.
 
??? What are you debunking? You think muscles did nothing for him? He very much would look better with muscles then without. Just because it didnt turn him into a Chad doesnt mean it didnt help his appearance.
He is ugly with or without muscles. It has done nothing except make him look like a try hard. He's 6'2", (muh height, bro! Women lovvvve tall guys, BRAH)
 
You can be fit and not jacked aka slim... Gymcelling is a mental illness.

Some women who are hardcore gym goers don't want an in shape bf because she'll feel that he is overshadowing her. So they pick skinny guys instead.
As I have specified, ATHLETIC BUILD. If you read my post, I said Ronnie Coleman's frame/muscle did not make him attractive. He was too jacked. And that "they feel they'll be over shadowed" shit, what backing do you have to that? Other then a made up excuse not to go to the gym? Girls, from the dawn of time, have liked an athletic build. Studies and surveys that have been out for years and peer reviewd show that. Idk how people on this site can so confidently say "nuh uh" to irrefutable proof.
 
As I have specified, ATHLETIC BUILD. If you read my post, I said Ronnie Coleman's frame/muscle did not make him attractive. He was too jacked. And that "they feel they'll be over shadowed" shit, what backing do you have to that? Other then a made up excuse not to go to the gym? Girls, from the dawn of time, have liked an athletic build. Studies and surveys that have been out for years and peer reviewd show that. Idk how people on this site can so confidently say "nuh uh" to irrefutable proof.
An average jacked man is a million miles away from Ronnie Coleman, you absolute title.

I have the field of evolutionary psychology, what do you have? Oh wait, nothing.

Women in general may like athletic bodies on a man, but they don't like the negative personality traits that normally come with it. You don't understand anything.
 
He is ugly with or without muscles. It has done nothing except make him look like a try hard. He's 6'2", (muh height, bro! Women lovvvve tall guys, BRAH)
Women do love tall guys. Is that not obvious? Okay, even if he's seen as ugly doesnt mean muscles didnt help his appearance. He is too jacked I will say that, but, even if you see him as a 2/10 facial aestetics wise put him next to another person without muscle who also has a 2/10 face. He will obviously be more attractive then the other guy if one has an athletic build and the other doesnt. And no one said you are made a Chad from going to the gym. Read the post 🤦‍♂️
 
An average jacked man is a million miles away from Ronnie Coleman, you absolute title.

I have the field of evolutionary psychology, what do you have? Oh wait, nothing.

Women in general may like athletic bodies on a man, but they don't like the negative personality traits that normally come with it. You don't understand anything.
Negative personality? What? "He we should eat healthy." "Hey we should go to the gym." "Hey we should do stuff so we can live longer" "Hey I like being healthy" bruh what negative personality traits?
 
Women do love tall guys. Is that not obvious?
They don't love tall ugly and even tall average looking guys. It did nothing for his apperance as beauty is all about facial attractiveness and bone composition or proportions.
He is too jacked I will say that, but, even if you see him as a 2/10 facial aestetics wise put him next to another person without muscle who also has a 2/10 face
It wouldnt matter cause women would reject them both because they're ugly subhumans.
 
They don't love tall ugly and even tall average looking guys. It did nothing for his apperance as beauty is all about facial attractiveness and bone composition or proportions.

It wouldnt matter cause women would reject them both because they're ugly subhumans.
Omfg. He STILL looks better than the other guy. HE would be seen as more attractive then the other guy. Jfc bro 🤦‍♂️
 
Omfg. He STILL looks better than the other guy. HE would be seen as more attractive then the other guy. Jfc bro 🤦‍♂️
In order to be seen as more attractive the man would have to be attractive to some degree to begin with. So, you are wrong.
 
In order to be seen as more attractive the man would have to be attractive to some degree to begin with. So, you are wrong.
Everybody has some degree of attractiveness. Thats the point of the 1-10 scale. AGAIN, FACE is the most important aspect. But frame is still a nice chunk of your attractiveness. He obviously isnt the most attractive individual. BUT he works with what he's got and has made an attempt to maximize frame potential. And he's not the worst looking dude ever. There are still women out there that would be attracted to him and want to fuck him. There are women out there the like faces but LOVE frame.
 
Everybody has some degree of attractiveness. Thats the point of the 1-10 scale. AGAIN, FACE is the most important aspect. But frame is still a nice chunk of your attractiveness. He obviously isnt the most attractive individual. BUT he works with what he's got and has made an attempt to maximize frame potential. And he's not the worst looking dude ever. There are still women out there that would be attracted to him and want to fuck him. There are women out there the like faces but LOVE frame.
Once a face is below a certain fresh hold, it is universally unattractive, even to their looksmatch! The frame doesn't MATTER if the face isn't attractive to a woman. They are genetically not applicable to women. We aren't gorillas where the female selects on pure prowess, duh. There are no women out there who'd find that guy attractive. Not ONE. It is impossible because women have an aversion to poor genes.
 

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