Info If you’re natural why aren’t you on enclomiphene

[tension]

If you’re scared of needles or don’t want to use exogenous hormones

You should still be on enclo just to have more testosterone

There’s literally no side effects so I don’t get why every natural isn’t on it

inb4 it’s banned by wada

 

[emerald]

 

[tension]

Do you disagree

If so, why

 

[emerald]

Do you disagree

Yes

If so, why

No

 

[viasco]

thank god im black

 

[tension]

Yes

No

Nice argument

thank god im black

what the fuck does that have to do with anything

 

[smbleh]

If you’re scared of needles or don’t want to use exogenous hormones

You should still be on enclo just to have more testosterone

There’s literally no side effects so I don’t get why every natural isn’t on it

inb4 it’s banned by wada

enclo suppresses IGF-1

 

[tension]

enclo suppresses IGF-1

Barely

Test matters more

And if u care that much hop in gh or mk

 

[smbleh]

Barely

Test matters more

And if u care that much hop in gh or mk

It's not barely SERMS render some participants clinically deficient in IGF-1 levels and the MOA is very clear and obvious and test does not matter more when you are boosting your test by maybe 200-300 ng/dl to r**e your IGF-1 , it is counterproductive

'If you care that much just hop on GH'

Now moving the goalpost , just hop on this or that , might aswell just hop on test/androgens if you're going to pin anyway then

 

[emerald]

Nice argument

Im not arguing with you it’s just retarded

 

[tension]

Im not arguing with you it’s just retarded

bro just tell me why you disagree

It's not barely SERMS render some participants clinically deficient in IGF-1 levels and the MOA is very clear and obvious and test does not matter more when you are boosting your test by maybe 200-300 ng/dl to r**e your IGF-1 , it is counterproductive

'If you care that much just hop on GH'

Now moving the goalpost , just hop on this or that , might aswell just hop on test/androgens if you're going to pin anyway then

from the studies i just found igf-1 drops by around 30-50% which is definitely significant but is it really more important than increasing your test by the same amount?

 

[emerald]

bro just tell me why you disagree

No
And if you have to ask you shouldn’t be on roids

 

[tension]

No
And if you have to ask you shouldn’t be on roids

enclomiphene isn't a roid tho

genuinely wtf are you talking about

 

[smbleh]

from the studies i just found igf-1 drops by around 30-50% which is definitely significant but is it really more important than increasing your test by the same amount?

You are increasing your test by a couple hundreds ng/dl which is really not significant at all compared to slashing your IGF-1 significantly
you are slightly improving the androgenic genomic pathway for muscle growth while significantly hurting another major hypertrophy pathway , its a net negative

 

[emerald]

enclomiphene isn't a roid tho

Fucking idiot I hope you get delivered pills laced with fent and die

You know what I meant you’re being a pedant

genuinely wtf are you talking about

I am significantly more knowledgeable than you on this topic
You’re a tourist

 

[tension]

You are increasing your test by a couple hundreds ng/dl which is really not significant at all compared to slashing your IGF-1 significantly
you are slightly improving the androgenic genomic pathway for muscle growth while significantly hurting another major hypertrophy pathway , its a net negative

i'm not only talking about muscle growth tho

like having higher test is good for many things in life

you're probably right tho bc i doubt the slight test increase will do much for your mental

 

[tension]

Fucking idiot I hope you get delivered pills laced with fent and die

You know what I meant you’re being a pedant

I am significantly more knowledgeable than you on this topic
You’re a tourist

so then speak your fucking mind holy moly

posting on my thread without giving any actual advice or knowledge or anything valuable

just saying you're more knowledgeable without having anything to back it up

either say why you don't like enclomiphene or stop posting your bullshit

and yeah i know what you meant but i had to make sure you did

 

[smbleh]

i'm not only talking about muscle growth tho

like having higher test is good for many things in life

you're probably right tho bc i doubt the slight test increase will do much for your mental

such as what?
You will only notice mental effects from testosterone if you were previously hypogonadal and deficient in circulating androgens , for a normal person it will be redundant

Test in general is shitty as a roid too , extremely unselective , converts to DHT , bloats the shit out of you