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it’s illegal to criticise islam in the uk now

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Newday said:
Lust is sinful…

10 seconds later

here are virgins in heaven so you can be lustful
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Is a man not allowed to enjoy intercourse, and if you spent your lifetime on earth serving god and avoiding lust once you get to eternal paradise would you not want to do something you enjoy
Penalizer69 said:
The exact problem with islam
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sane reason you can drink wine in heaven, because you avoided alcohol on earth you can indulge in a place where you can never get drunk and make mistakes
 
just islam?
 
Derpman said:
Is a man not allowed to enjoy intercourse, and if you spent your lifetime on earth serving god and avoiding lust once you get to eternal paradise would you not want to do something you enjoy

sane reason you can drink wine in heaven, because you avoided alcohol on earth you can indulge in a place where you can never get drunk and make mistakes
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Dude lust is bad because of its effects on yourself and others. If you look at every sin it is so because of this.

Like in Buddhism you should rid yourself of this want and conquer it rather than supress it. It says something about your God if this is the end goal.

Also about the r**e thing. The definition of r**e in Islam is very inaccurate, marital r**e is completely fine and even pushed in Islam

Islam is targeted for little boys like you, and then enforced on the women of your countries who suffer

This religion was clearly fabricated by men to normalise their sick desires and behaviours
 
Penalizer69 said:
Dude lust is bad because of its effects on yourself and others. If you look at every sin it is so because of this.

Like in Buddhism you should rid yourself of this want and conquer it rather than supress it. It says something about your God if this is the end goal.

Also about the r**e thing. The definition of r**e in Islam is very inaccurate, marital r**e is completely fine and even pushed in Islam

Islam is targeted for little boys like you, and then enforced on the women of your countries who suffer

This religion was clearly fabricated by men to normalise their sick desires and behaviours
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I come from a family who was not born into Islam, also don’t come here talking about Buddhism cuz that religion is dumb asf, only religions that slightly make sense are abrahamic one, also the end goal is not only the virgins I heaven, it’s to get to heaven to see your family for all of eternity, virgins are simply a perk, the end goal is to get to heaven and be able to lay your eyes on god and the prophets, being able to enjoy intercourse is a perk, every man has lust to women, if you can listen to god and control it in this world you deserve to enjoy yourself, dingus
 
Derpman said:
I come from a family who was not born into Islam, also don’t come here talking about Buddhism cuz that religion is dumb asf, only religions that slightly make sense are abrahamic one, also the end goal is not only the virgins I heaven, it’s to get to heaven to see your family for all of eternity, virgins are simply a perk, the end goal is to get to heaven and be able to lay your eyes on god and the prophets, being able to enjoy intercourse is a perk, every man has lust to women, if you can listen to god and control it in this world you deserve to enjoy yourself, dingus
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No not every man has "lust"

There are a sexual and demisexual people it's real (not that it's controllable.)

You can conquer lust as you can conquer hunger, or an addiction. Someone who craves lust in the after life is not someone who has conquered it.

Question: why is is dozens of virgins instead of your wife/wives? Why do you need dozens?

Funny how you couldnt counter my arguments about r**e either jfl
 
Penalizer69 said:
No not every man has "lust"

There are a sexual and demisexual people it's real (not that it's controllable.)

You can conquer lust as you can conquer hunger, or an addiction. Someone who craves lust in the after life is not someone who has conquered it.

Question: why is is dozens of virgins instead of your wife/wives? Why do you need dozens?

Funny how you couldnt counter my arguments about r**e either jfl
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Bro said he only understood abrahamic religion he’s too low IQ
 
Penalizer69 said:
No not every man has "lust"

There are a sexual and demisexual people it's real (not that it's controllable.)

You can conquer lust as you can conquer hunger, or an addiction. Someone who craves lust in the after life is not someone who has conquered it.

Question: why is is dozens of virgins instead of your wife/wives? Why do you need dozens?

Funny how you couldnt counter my arguments about r**e either jfl
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Where in Islam is marital r**e encouraged
 
YesIamHuman said:
n***a you can’t just invalidate billions of other people’s religious beliefs and get mad when someone disrespects yours

That’s hypocritical as hell 😂
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Im not mad I'm just proving you wrong, if I was mad I wouldnt even be talking to you, also let's say i was, maybe it's cuz my religion is true
 
Derpman said:
Where in Islam is marital r**e encouraged
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Historically, the marriage contract (nikah) was understood to grant a husband the right to sexual access in exchange for his obligation to provide maintenance (nafaqah).

A wife who refuses intimacy without a valid reason (such as illness or menstruation) is traditionally considered nashiz (disobedient). Some classical interpretations of Quran 4:34 permitted husbands to discipline wives for such refusal
 
Penalizer69 said:
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Historically, the marriage contract (nikah) was understood to grant a husband the right to sexual access in exchange for his obligation to provide maintenance (nafaqah).

A wife who refuses intimacy without a valid reason (such as illness or menstruation) is traditionally considered nashiz (disobedient). Some classical interpretations of Quran 4:34 permitted husbands to discipline wives for such refusal
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Not every hadeeth is true number one, talk to someone like @foidslayer im a low level beaner
 
Derpman said:
Not every hadeeth is true number one, talk to someone like @foidslayer im a low level beaner
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Penalizer69 said:
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Historically, the marriage contract (nikah) was understood to grant a husband the right to sexual access in exchange for his obligation to provide maintenance (nafaqah).

A wife who refuses intimacy without a valid reason (such as illness or menstruation) is traditionally considered nashiz (disobedient). Some classical interpretations of Quran 4:34 permitted husbands to discipline wives for such refusal
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That claim cherry picks and oversimplifies. A nikah is meant to be mutual, not a license for coercion, and even classical discussions of nashiz included limits against harm. Quran 4:34 is also widely debated, with many scholars emphasizing compassion and dignity so using it to claim Islam endorses forced intimacy is misleading.
 
Penalizer69 said:
Dude what your book promotes r**e, pedophilia, dehumanisation of women and lust

There's no excuse for this
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Nuh uh, does not support dehumanizing women snd lust, we are taught to lower our gaze out of respect of women as well as them covering, goy
 
foidslayer said:
That claim cherry picks and oversimplifies. A nikah is meant to be mutual, not a license for coercion, and even classical discussions of nashiz included limits against harm. Quran 4:34 is also widely debated, with many scholars emphasizing compassion and dignity so using it to claim Islam endorses forced intimacy is misleading.
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Is it that hard to believe when marital r**e was only made illegal a few decades ago (in the west btw)

It's just cherry picking to say it doesn't endorse marital r**e

Not to mention it shames women who reject intimacy, so whether intentionally or not it can lead to forced intimacy
 
Penalizer69 said:
Is it that hard to believe when marital r**e was only made illegal a few decades ago (in the west btw)

It's just cherry picking to say it doesn't endorse marital r**e

Not to mention it shames women who reject intimacy, so whether intentionally or not it can lead to forced intimacy
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It’s true harmful interpretations exist, but that doesn’t mean Islam itself endorses coercion. Concepts like nashiz and Quran 4:34 are debated and often taken out of context, while the nikah framework also emphasizes mutual rights and no harmbso the issue is interpretation and misuse, not a clear endorsement.
 
Penalizer69 said:
Why do you have to lower your gaze? Why must they cover up?
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People who don't have the mental and physical capabilities to fight against their temptations will fall into it, islam is for everyone weak or not. It orders men to not look at women as to not be tempted and it orders women to cover up so they don't tempt the bad males. its a form of protection for both genders.
 
Penalizer69 said:
Why do you have to lower your gaze? Why must they cover up?
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Because it's out of modesty, it a small form of modesty to avoid bigger acts of unmodesty, a man moght approach a woman who doesn't cover and because tgere is then mixing and humans make mistakes it can lead to unlawful relationships, now I'm not really a good one to say this cuz i grew up around other Hispanics and adooted alot of their practices (trying to get a GF, other things)
 
foidslayer said:
It’s true harmful interpretations exist, but that doesn’t mean Islam itself endorses coercion. Concepts like nashiz and Quran 4:34 are debated and often taken out of context, while the nikah framework also emphasizes mutual rights and no harmbso the issue is interpretation and misuse, not a clear endorsement.
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That's just a difference of understanding of consent and the impacts of things like this

While you can say the woman's opinion matter we all know in Islam the man holds the power (for many reasons beyond just the surface ones) and with religious stigmatism ontop it's very easy to understand how women in Islam may feel pressured into sex.
foidslayer said:
People who don't have the mental and physical capabilities to fight against their temptations will fall into it, islam is for everyone weak or not. It orders men to not look at women as to not be tempted and it orders women to cover up so they don't tempt the bad males. its a form of protection for both genders.
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This is like the whole pedophilia debate - can pedophiles ever be rehabilitated? No. It's something you're born as, you are born a rapist or not one. To think clothes will stop a rapist is comical and it's been debunked many times. In fact r**e rates are incredibly high in Islamic countries, many of which force religious clothing.

I find it disrespectful to Women to indirectly place blame on them through dress code, and this happens alot in Islam. The word "tempt" rubs me the wrong way

Tldr: a rapist will r**e if they want to.
Derpman said:
Because it's out of modesty, it a small form of modesty to avoid bigger acts of unmodesty, a man moght approach a woman who doesn't cover and because tgere is then mixing and humans make mistakes it can lead to unlawful relationships, now I'm not really a good one to say this cuz i grew up around other Hispanics and adooted alot of their practices (trying to get a GF, other things)
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If a woman wants to get with a man she will get with one. You'll learn that when you're older bud
 
Penalizer69 said:
That's just a difference of understanding of consent and the impacts of things like this

While you can say the woman's opinion matter we all know in Islam the man holds the power (for many reasons beyond just the surface ones) and with religious stigmatism ontop it's very easy to understand how women in Islam may feel pressured into sex.

This is like the whole pedophilia debate - can pedophiles ever be rehabilitated? No. It's something you're born as, you are born a rapist or not one. To think clothes will stop a rapist is comical and it's been debunked many times. In fact r**e rates are incredibly high in Islamic countries, many of which force religious clothing.

I find it disrespectful to Women to indirectly place blame on them through dress code, and this happens alot in Islam. The word "tempt" rubs me the wrong way

Tldr: a rapist will r**e if they want to.

If a woman wants to get with a man she will get with one. You'll learn that when you're older bud
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You’re mixing a few different points and some don’t hold up well

yes power dynamics and social pressure can exist in any society, including some Muslim ones. That’s a real criticism of how rules are applied culturally. But that’s different from saying Islam itself endorses coercion. The nikah framework still includes mutual rights and a clear principle of no harm, even if some interpretations skew male authority

on clothing and “temptation”: many scholars frame modesty rules as shared responsibility (men lowering gaze, women dressing modestly), not as blaming women for assault You’re right that saying clothes prevent r**e is overly simplistic crime is driven by many factors, not just appearance. But the religious argument is about reducing social sexualization overall, not excusing perpetrators.

the claim that people are “born rapists” isn’t supported behavior like that is shaped by environment, psychology, and choices, not fixed destiny.

So the arguwmwnt isn’t “Islam promotes r**e,” but that certain interpretations and cultures can create pressure or stigma and that’s where the real criticism should be focused

Plus Muslim-majority countries do report lower official r**e rates so that argument is just false.
 
foidslayer said:
You’re mixing a few different points and some don’t hold up well

yes power dynamics and social pressure can exist in any society, including some Muslim ones. That’s a real criticism of how rules are applied culturally. But that’s different from saying Islam itself endorses coercion. The nikah framework still includes mutual rights and a clear principle of no harm, even if some interpretations skew male authority

on clothing and “temptation”: many scholars frame modesty rules as shared responsibility (men lowering gaze, women dressing modestly), not as blaming women for assault You’re right that saying clothes prevent r**e is overly simplistic crime is driven by many factors, not just appearance. But the religious argument is about reducing social sexualization overall, not excusing perpetrators.

the claim that people are “born rapists” isn’t supported behavior like that is shaped by environment, psychology, and choices, not fixed destiny.

So the arguwmwnt isn’t “Islam promotes r**e,” but that certain interpretations and cultures can create pressure or stigma and that’s where the real criticism should be focused

Plus Muslim-majority countries do report lower official r**e rates so that argument is just false.
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Sorry but do you understand why the rates are lower? Because of things like marital r**e. r**e gets underrepresented because it puts women in danger, because action is rarley taken.

In western countries the numbers are "higher" because it's safer and more likely to get correctly dealt with (while the numbers are still in the low single digit percentages)
 
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