Discussion rate my first stack @18

[ecilitric]

Main Compounds
-Test E 275mg
-Anavar 20-50mg daily, 2 doses
-HCG 250iu 2x a week

Estrogen Control
-Arimidex as needed
-Nolvadex as needed

Cardiovascular
-Telmisartan 40 mg daily
-Astralagus Root 1000-1500mg
-L-citrulline 6-8g pw
-HCTZ as needed

Lipid protection
-Ezetimibe 10mg
-Citrus bergamot 1000mg
-Omega-3 3-4000mg

Liver and Organ
-TUDCA 250-500mg
-NAC 1200mg
-Taurine 2-3g

Skin and Hair
-Minoxidil 2.5mg
-Tretinoin 0.025%

Misc
-Piracetam
-Pregab
-Glycine 3-5
-Magnesium 400mg
-Vitamin D3 8000iu
-Coq10 200mg

 

[ecilitric]

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[XWJ]

Main Compounds
-Test E 275mg
-Anavar 20-50mg daily, 2 doses
-HCG 250iu 2x a week

Estrogen Control
-Arimidex as needed
-Nolvadex as needed

Cardiovascular
-Telmisartan 40 mg daily
-Astralagus Root 1000-1500mg
-L-citrulline 6-8g pw
-HCTZ as needed

Lipid protection
-Ezetimibe 10mg
-Citrus bergamot 1000mg
-Omega-3 3-4000mg

Liver and Organ
-TUDCA 250-500mg
-NAC 1200mg
-Taurine 2-3g

Skin and Hair
-Minoxidil 2.5mg
-Tretinoin 0.025%

Misc
-Piracetam
-Pregab
-Glycine 3-5
-Magnesium 400mg
-Vitamin D3 8000iu
-Coq10 200mg

Too lazy to evaluate

@zennn

 

[zennn]

Too lazy to evaluate

@zennn

good enough

maybe more test

 

[ecilitric]

bump for a second opinion

 

[MasterOfTheZygo]

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Main Compounds
-Test E 275mg
-Anavar 20-50mg daily, 2 doses
-HCG 250iu 2x a week

Estrogen Control
-Arimidex as needed
-Nolvadex as needed

Cardiovascular
-Telmisartan 40 mg daily
-Astralagus Root 1000-1500mg
-L-citrulline 6-8g pw
-HCTZ as needed

Lipid protection
-Ezetimibe 10mg
-Citrus bergamot 1000mg
-Omega-3 3-4000mg

Liver and Organ
-TUDCA 250-500mg
-NAC 1200mg
-Taurine 2-3g

Skin and Hair
-Minoxidil 2.5mg
-Tretinoin 0.025%

Misc
-Piracetam
-Pregab
-Glycine 3-5
-Magnesium 400mg
-Vitamin D3 8000iu
-Coq10 200mg

Holy shit bro. If all that is in ur budget then good on you.

I personally would say that most of it like the anc are not nescissary like if u would rather spend ur money on other shit. BUT if u have the budget good on you bro this will def help make it a smoother road and better experince.


I do not think hcg is needed ngl tho. it is MAYBE needed after a pct but that's it.

Other than that bro u got a mog cycle.

 

[ecilitric]

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Holy shit bro. If all that is in ur budget then good on you.

I personally would say that most of it like the anc are not nescissary like if u would rather spend ur money on other shit. BUT if u have the budget good on you bro this will def help make it a smoother road and better experince.


I do not think hcg is needed ngl tho. it is MAYBE needed after a pct but that's it.

Other than that bro u got a mog cycle.

thank you bro i appreciate that

yeah im pretty much just trying to be as safe as possible, even if it costs me extra haha

 

[MasterOfTheZygo]

thank you bro i appreciate that

yeah im pretty much just trying to be as safe as possible, even if it costs me extra haha

yeah nice bro,

u use an peps? and any future cycles planned.

what results are u trying to get?

 

[ecilitric]

yeah nice bro,

u use an peps? and any future cycles planned.

what results are u trying to get?

i only use reta occasionally when i need to cut some fat, but i want to get more into peps especially the metabolic ones

i’m just trying to get a larger bidelt and more facial dimorphism tbh, and of course muscle.

just wanna get big brah whilst still looking good facially i don’t wanna be a bloatcel

 

[MasterOfTheZygo]

i only use reta occasionally when i need to cut some fat, but i want to get more into peps especially the metabolic ones

i’m just trying to get a larger bidelt and more facial dimorphism tbh, and of course muscle.

just wanna get big brah whilst still looking good facially i don’t wanna be a bloatcel

Sometimes best method is to embrace the bloat for a bit, but that is avoidable at the cost that thee cycle wont be as good

 

[ecilitric]

Sometimes best method is to embrace the bloat for a bit, but that is avoidable at the cost that thee cycle wont be as good

Good to know yeah I might have to embrace it ngl, I have in the past with GH as well anyway

 

[Jack-O'-Lantern]

Main Compounds
-Test E 275mg
-Anavar 20-50mg daily, 2 doses
-HCG 250iu 2x a week

Estrogen Control
-Arimidex as needed
-Nolvadex as needed

Cardiovascular
-Telmisartan 40 mg daily
-Astralagus Root 1000-1500mg
-L-citrulline 6-8g pw
-HCTZ as needed

Lipid protection
-Ezetimibe 10mg
-Citrus bergamot 1000mg
-Omega-3 3-4000mg

Liver and Organ
-TUDCA 250-500mg
-NAC 1200mg
-Taurine 2-3g

Skin and Hair
-Minoxidil 2.5mg
-Tretinoin 0.025%

Misc
-Piracetam
-Pregab
-Glycine 3-5
-Magnesium 400mg
-Vitamin D3 8000iu
-Coq10 200mg

why so little test

 

[ecilitric]

why so little test

just starting out want to see how i react to it. also im low BW. if it goes well ill up it to 400 probably

 

[MasterOfTheZygo]

why so little test

might be using it as a base also

 

[ecilitric]

might be using it as a base also

yeah just using it as a base for var atm, in a couple months i’ll drop the var for eq

 

[MasterOfTheZygo]

yeah just using it as a base for var atm, in a couple months i’ll drop the var for eq

woah woah woah buddy. How long u plan on running var for?

 

[True king of LTNs]

Main Compounds
-Test E 275mg
-Anavar 20-50mg daily, 2 doses
-HCG 250iu 2x a week

Estrogen Control
-Arimidex as needed
-Nolvadex as needed

Cardiovascular
-Telmisartan 40 mg daily
-Astralagus Root 1000-1500mg
-L-citrulline 6-8g pw
-HCTZ as needed

Lipid protection
-Ezetimibe 10mg
-Citrus bergamot 1000mg
-Omega-3 3-4000mg

Liver and Organ
-TUDCA 250-500mg
-NAC 1200mg
-Taurine 2-3g

Skin and Hair
-Minoxidil 2.5mg
-Tretinoin 0.025%

Misc
-Piracetam
-Pregab
-Glycine 3-5
-Magnesium 400mg
-Vitamin D3 8000iu
-Coq10 200mg

your like dead like ykw i wont even say shit js dont do it

 

[ecilitric]

your like dead like ykw i wont even say shit js dont do it

bro what why??

 

[ecilitric]

woah woah woah buddy. How long u plan on running var for?

6 weeks

 

[XWJ]

6 weeks

You always fumble with cycles, lol.

-Richard from Arkansas

 

[ecilitric]

You always fumble with cycles, lol.

-Richard from Arkansas

what do you mean

 

[XWJ]

what do you mean

I am Richard from Arkansas

 

[ecilitric]

I am Richard from Arkansas

what's wrong with doing a 6 week cycle of var I don't understand

 

[XWJ]

what's wrong with doing a 6 week cycle of var I don't understand

No 6 weeks is fine, I am named Richard, I come from Arkansas. Do you understand.

 

[ecilitric]

No 6 weeks is fine, I am named Richard, I come from Arkansas. Do you understand.

I think your name is Rajput from New Delhi actually

 

[XWJ]

I think your name is Rajput from New Delhi actually

Fiddlesticks you got me

 

[MasterOfTheZygo]

6 weeks

ohh okay u scared me with "couple of month"

 

[Hypertrophy]

Would switch out HCTZ with eplerenone as the HCTZ rebound bloat once you hop off of it is brutal

You don't need telmisartan daily, just get a BP monitor and take as needed. You're just gonna get hypotension taking telmi every single day especially with such little test

Since you're 18 id recommend dutasteride just for everyday use even off cycle for the hair and skin benefits

How long are you planning to run this cycle?

 

[ecilitric]

Would switch out HCTZ with eplerenone as the HCTZ rebound bloat once you hop off of it is brutal

You don't need telmisartan daily, just get a BP monitor and take as needed. You're just gonna get hypotension taking telmi every single day especially with such little test

Since you're 18 id recommend dutasteride just for everyday use even off cycle for the hair and skin benefits

How long are you planning to run this cycle?

Got it, planning on running this cycle specifically until Dec 1. Then will swap var for EQ and will probably add other stuff like abaloparatide

 

[Hypertrophy]

Got it, planning on running this cycle specifically until Dec 1.

How many weeks is that? I don't feel like doing math rn

Then will swap var for EQ and will probably add other stuff like abaloparatide

Just be careful with eq you can crash estrogen easily

Abaloparatide for periosteal apposition?

 

[Mr.Hammer]

good enough

maybe more test

can i do tamo and letro at the same time? Someone told me it would lower letro in blood

 

[ecilitric]

How many weeks is that? I don't feel like doing math rn

Just be careful with eq you can crash estrogen easily

Abaloparatide for periosteal apposition?

7 weeks even though I'd said 6 previously. So I guess 1 extra. Understood for EQ. Yeah abalo for periosteal apposition, may pair it with romosozumab as well

 

[Hypertrophy]

7 weeks even though I'd said 6 previously. So I guess 1 extra.

If you're taking a cycle for 6-7 weeks that is absurdly short

The var for that length I will understand but if you're only pinning test for max 7 weeks it will barely be saturated in your blood and you'll get no gains

20 weeks minimum

Understood for EQ. Yeah abalo for periosteal apposition, may pair it with romosozumab as well

If you're looking for periosteal apposition pair abalo with a cathepsin K inhibitor and some compounds that blast the wnt pathway

High dose GH is also good for this purpose and for androgens id use non aromatizing androgens and some 19 nors for the AR signalling you need

Btw I'm 99% sure that tren inhibits sclerostin just like romosozumab via glucocorticoid receptor antagonism

 

[Mr.Hammer]

If you're taking a cycle for 6-7 weeks that is absurdly short

The car for that length I will understand but if you're only pinning test for max 7 weeks it will barely be saturated in your blood and you'll get no gains

20 weeks minimum

If you're looking for periosteal apposition pair abalo with a cathepsin K inhibitor and some compounds that blast the wnt pathway

High dose GH is also good for this purpose and for androgens id use non aromatizing androgens and some 19 nors for the AR signalling you need

Btw I'm 99% sure that tren inhibits sclerostin just like romosozumab via glucocorticoid receptor antagonism

will i get a estrogen rebound and fuse my plate after stop taking ais or serms?

 

[Hypertrophy]

will i get a estrogen rebound and fuse my plate after stop taking ais or serms?

Your estrogen will return to its basal levels which yes can induce plate closure because as we know e2 does that

 

[Mr.Hammer]

Your estrogen will return to its basal levels which yes can induce plate closure because as we know e2 does that

I heard someone said, it will rebound and fuse the plates quicker . So i was wondering would it rebound and fuse it instantly or will it return to baseline level and plate closure rate would be normal again

 

[Hypertrophy]

I heard someone said, it will rebound and fuse the plates quicker . So i was wondering would it rebound and fuse it instantly or will it return to baseline level and plate closure rate would be normal again

It depends on the ai used, if you use aromasin for example, a suicidal AI, the aromatase enzymes are killed and your body will have to make more which takes a minute, thus if you hop off of it the rebound won't cause a huge spike, it will just gradually climb back to baseline

Other AIs however will cause an initial big spike in estrogen then go back to basal levels, so yes whatever that guy said has truth within it

 

[Mr.Hammer]

It depends on the ai used, if you use aromasin for example, a suicidal AI, the aromatase enzymes are killed and your body will have to make more which takes a minute, thus if you hop off of it the rebound won't cause a huge spike, it will just gradually climb back to baseline

Other AIs however will cause an initial big spike in estrogen then go back to basal levels, so yes whatever that guy said has truth within it

what abt serms like tamo

 

[Hypertrophy]

what abt serms like tamo

There is no estrogen rebound

When taking a serm your estrogen levels stay the same but it just modulates your receptors

Once you stop taking tamoxifen the ERa AF2 will be active in your growth plates again thus leading to closure

 

[ecilitric]

If you're taking a cycle for 6-7 weeks that is absurdly short

The var for that length I will understand but if you're only pinning test for max 7 weeks it will barely be saturated in your blood and you'll get no gains

20 weeks minimum

If you're looking for periosteal apposition pair abalo with a cathepsin K inhibitor and some compounds that blast the wnt pathway

High dose GH is also good for this purpose and for androgens id use non aromatizing androgens and some 19 nors for the AR signalling you need

Btw I'm 99% sure that tren inhibits sclerostin just like romosozumab via glucocorticoid receptor antagonism

no no no hahaha im taking test the entire time, probably 18 months total, im just dropping the var after 7 weeks. what would you recommend as a cathepsin k inhibitor and supporting compounds?
I know that 19nors r goated but im trying to stay away from them for now due to their neurodegenerative properties

 

[Hypertrophy]

no no no hahaha im taking test the entire time, probably 18 months total, im just dropping the var after 7 weeks. what would you recommend as a cathepsin k inhibitor and supporting compounds?

Odanacatib for cat k

Ky19382 for gsk3b inhibition

Way316606 for sFRP1 inhibition so that more extracellular wnt reach the frizzled receptors

Way262611 can inhibit dkk1 which is an antagonist of the wnt pathway

You can use romosozumab for sclerostin but I think I've said before that tren can potentially inhibit it via GR antagonism

Tren also exerts negative effects on GSK3b which makes for more intracellular b catenin to produce follistatin to inhibit myostatin

However id use a myostatin Inhibitor as myostatin also effects bones and not just muscle

I know that 19nors r goated but im trying to stay away from them for now due to their neurodegenerative properties

It sucks. Although there are a lot of neuroprotective compounds out there.

 

[ecilitric]

Odanacatib for cat k

Ky19382 for gsk3b inhibition

Way316606 for sFRP1 inhibition so that more extracellular wnt reach the frizzled receptors

Way262611 can inhibit dkk1 which is an antagonist of the wnt pathway

You can use romosozumab for sclerostin but I think I've said before that tren can potentially inhibit it via GR antagonism

Tren also exerts negative effects on GSK3b which makes for more intracellular b catenin to produce follistatin to inhibit myostatin

However id use a myostatin Inhibitor as myostatin also effects bones and not just muscle

It sucks. Although there are a lot of neuroprotective compounds out there.

Got it. I'll start all these in December as well. I really appreciate all the help, high effort shit bro thank you

 

[Hypertrophy]

Got it. I'll start all these in December as well. I really appreciate all the help, high effort shit bro thank you

Just so you know you may want to look into fgfr3 inhibition as a means of periosteal apposition, I haven't got all the dots connected yet but I will soon

Ofc also mechanical load preferably in the sauna for mechanotransduction calcium pathways and heat influencing osteoblasts lol

Go in the fucking sauna and bonesmash

 

[zennn]

can i do tamo and letro at the same time? Someone told me it would lower letro in blood

yeah it will lower id stick with the letro

i just use eq as my ai works really well and i get gains too so its a win win

 

[Mr.Hammer]

yeah it will lower id stick with the letro

i just use eq as my ai works really well and i get gains too so its a win win

Will i get an estrogen rebound if i stop taking it? Someone told me it would cause an estrogen spike and fuse my gp rlly fast

 

[zennn]

Will i get an estrogen rebound if i stop taking it? Someone told me it would cause an estrogen spike and fuse my gp rlly fast

no letrozole is suicidal you wont have a rebound but you have to dose very carefully (unless you want 0 e2)

 

[Hypertrophy]

no letrozole is suicidal you wont have a rebound but you have to dose very carefully (unless you want 0 e2)

 

[zennn]

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