Seed oils

[cenkystar]

So i go out with friends like 4 times a week and we eat burger king with a shit ton of seed oils, do they fuck with my skin or hormones??

 

[KittyBreath]

So i go out with friends like 4 times a week and we eat burger king with a shit ton of seed oils, do they fuck with my skin or hormones??

horomone a little bit
skin yea

 

[guilty]

So i go out with friends like 4 times a week and we eat burger king with a shit ton of seed oils, do they fuck with my skin or hormones??

no i drink 3 gallons of seed oils every week im fine

 

[cenkystar]

no i drink 3 gallons of seed oils every week im fine

i think ur tryna keep me at ltn atp bro i hope ur not tho

 

[cenkystar]

horomone a little bit
skin yea

u think a meal a week is fine?

 

[severalrecessions]

So i go out with friends like 4 times a week and we eat burger king with a shit ton of seed oils, do they fuck with my skin or hormones??

ru fatmaxing or sum

 

[KittyBreath]

u think a meal a week is fine?

u wont even notice

 

[cenkystar]

ru fatmaxing or sum

im actually tracking my calories everyday and im its not interfering with my cut

 

[Pearex]

So i go out with friends like 4 times a week and we eat burger king with a shit ton of seed oils, do they fuck with my skin or hormones??

In short, eating Burger King four times a week has the potential to affect your skin and hormones, but it's possible to balance it. If you notice changes in your skin or an increase in acne, it would be beneficial to review your diet.

 

[ponyboy]

No, effect on hormone is basically zero, effect on skin is trivial

 

[Pearex]

No, effect on hormone is basically zero, effect on skin is trivial

That's not entirely true. Fast food and high-fat foods can have an effect on hormones and skin, especially when consumed regularly. Of course, the effects vary from person to person and may not always be immediately apparent. But it would be wrong to say that "the effect is almost zero" or "insignificant" the potential effects of this type of diet have been scientifically proven.

 

[std]

So i go out with friends like 4 times a week and we eat burger king with a shit ton of seed oils, do they fuck with my skin or hormones??

just don't eat burger king or at it much less often

 

[snoopy12]

why would you guys go to burger kind four times a week???

 

[ponyboy]

That's not entirely true. Fast food and high-fat foods can have an effect on hormones and skin, especially when consumed regularly. Of course, the effects vary from person to person and may not always be immediately apparent. But it would be wrong to say that "the effect is almost zero" or "insignificant" the potential effects of this type of diet have been scientifically proven.

What is proven to happen doesnt mean that happens to degree of being relevant, you could find a link for anything basically affecting your josy in all sorts of ways due to everything having so many downstream effects

The assosiation between hormone levels like test is more closely related to lack of micronutrients which is easy to make up for by just eating more other food or take a multivitamin

The vast majority of the time things like acne are hormonal, hence pretty much anyone you see with acne are teens or atleast very young, old people eat luke shit too but yiull struggle to find a 60 yeat old with acne, if you actually want to do something about it then block dht,use an anti androgen if youre young, use tazarotene, accutane whatever

It is not even close to being proven to have practically significant effects to out bodies at all, only statistically significant ones

Id youre that worried about your hormones then you shouldnt leave production up to the shit endocrine system in the first place

 

[Pearex]

What is proven to happen doesnt mean that happens to degree of being relevant, you could find a link for anything basically affecting your josy in all sorts of ways due to everything having so many downstream effects

The assosiation between hormone levels like test is more closely related to lack of micronutrients which is easy to make up for by just eating more other food or take a multivitamin

The vast majority of the time things like acne are hormonal, hence pretty much anyone you see with acne are teens or atleast very young, old people eat luke shit too but yiull struggle to find a 60 yeat old with acne, if you actually want to do something about it then block dht,use an anti androgen if youre young, use tazarotene, accutane whatever

It is not even close to being proven to have practically significant effects to out bodies at all, only statistically significant ones

Id youre that worried about your hormones then you shouldnt leave production up to the shit endocrine system in the first place

Viewing the body as merely a numerical chart underestimates biological complexity. Every statistically significant piece of data is evidence of a biological change. Heavy medications Accutane etc. or hormonal interventions are not magic wands to clean up the damage caused by poor nutrition they are medical interventions with serious side effects. Advocating for external chemical overload on the body instead of addressing the root cause nutrition and chronic inflammation is not about protecting health, but merely masking the symptoms.
Is it more sensible to manipulate the body biochemical balance with a drug or to avoid disrupting that balance in the first place?

 

[ponyboy]

Viewing the body as merely a numerical chart underestimates biological complexity. Every statistically significant piece of data is evidence of a biological change. Heavy medications Accutane etc. or hormonal interventions are not magic wands to clean up the damage caused by poor nutrition they are medical interventions with serious side effects. Advocating for external chemical overload on the body instead of addressing the root cause nutrition and chronic inflammation is not about protecting health, but merely masking the symptoms.
Is it more sensible to manipulate the body biochemical balance with a drug or to avoid disrupting that balance in the first place?

Because hese common problems are unlikely to be caused by cronic imflammation so youve clearly missunderstod the purpose or youre uneducated about the drug, also the entire point was that biological change is irrelevant as this is a looks context not a health or biological one, so yes im ignoring it

Accutanes main mechanism is too stop sebum of which production is vastly the responsibility of hormones, the most impactfull factor here as the root cause is androgenicity not a life style issue, bad nutrition

Dutasteride or anti androgens were also mentioned as options as they obviously also reduce androgenicity and comes with more benefits

Chemical overload is not something thats happening, accutane and dutasteride are well studied and detriments are known to be rare and in the case of it happening its small small and/or reversible, this is the case among a million other potentially super impactfull drugs as well,

Also even if they did negatively impact health its again irrelevant in this context, shit cholesterol might be a hugely important factor for health as an example while you have pretty much 0 direct looks detriments of it in practical standards,health≠looks

No method is inherently better, all you're doing is attaching words with negative connotations, like "disrupt" and "manipulate" to make the pharma route seem worse while making your suggestion seem as the obvious option, if youre gonna call changing your functions manipulation then so is the other one,which isnt even bad btw the entire point is obviously to manipulate your body, and this instead of actually reasoning for your point and just some fearmongering about the other part, also even if i were to take your question seriously then the answer would be it doesnt matter ad the objective would be to not have balanced functions, so if thats my objective why would i care how i get there

 

[Pearex]

Because hese common problems are unlikely to be caused by cronic imflammation so youve clearly missunderstod the purpose or youre uneducated about the drug, also the entire point was that biological change is irrelevant as this is a looks context not a health or biological one, so yes im ignoring it

Accutanes main mechanism is too stop sebum of which production is vastly the responsibility of hormones, the most impactfull factor here as the root cause is androgenicity not a life style issue, bad nutrition

Dutasteride or anti androgens were also mentioned as options as they obviously also reduce androgenicity and comes with more benefits

Chemical overload is not something thats happening, accutane and dutasteride are well studied and detriments are known to be rare and in the case of it happening its small small and/or reversible, this is the case among a million other potentially super impactfull drugs as well,

Also even if they did negatively impact health its again irrelevant in this context, shit cholesterol might be a hugely important factor for health as an example while you have pretty much 0 direct looks detriments of it in practical standards,health≠looks

No method is inherently better, all you're doing is attaching words with negative connotations, like "disrupt" and "manipulate" to make the pharma route seem worse while making your suggestion seem as the obvious option, if youre gonna call changing your functions manipulation then so is the other one,which isnt even bad btw the entire point is obviously to manipulate your body, and this instead of actually reasoning for your point and just some fearmongering about the other part, also even if i were to take your question seriously then the answer would be it doesnt matter ad the objective would be to not have balanced functions, so if thats my objective why would i care how i get there

Thinking that health and appearance are completely unrelated is like relying on the shine of a building's exterior paint while its foundation is rotten. Eating fast food four days a week and trying to mask the resulting damage with heavy medications like accutane or anti androgens is not a biological solution, but merely a chemical patch.
The medical world considers solving the problem at its source (lifestyle intervention) rather than suppressing symptoms with medication as the primary treatment. Even the package inserts for medications you claim have rare side effects are full of risks you dismiss as insignificant. Whether you turn your body into a laboratory rat is your choice, but biochemical facts will never support the claim that nutrition is irrelevant

 

[ponyboy]

hinking that health and appearance are completely unrelated is like relying on the shine of a building's exterior paint while its foundation is rotten

If youre only objective is to have a pretty house then thats completely fine

Eating fast food four days a week and trying to mask the resulting damage with heavy medications like accutane or anti androgens is not a biological solution, but merely a chemical patch.
The medical world considers solving the problem at its source (lifestyle intervention) rather than suppressing symptoms with medication as the primary treatment

Its a patch but lifestyle intervention isnt a patch at all because its not really relevant

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/fullarticle/393279?

This study found a 0,78 correlation between male acne and dheas, and a 0,88 correlation to igf and acne in women. That is a way better correlation than that between fast food and cardiovascular disease,smoking and lung disease, good diet and lifespan, exercise and lifespan, hell the correlation with igf is on par with shoe size to foot length thats how related they are. Imagne how crazy it would be if i just denied and completely disregarded all the links between these. It would obviously be fucking insane but still less insane than thhe correlation between hormones and acne

These things are not just a patch, they are the fix unless youre able to edit your genes to produce less hormones naturally or if eating healhy suddendly blocked androgen production which is it doesnt

The only reason nutrition is talked about in this context is because its 100% customizable while hormone produvtion is mostly genetic assuming you dont rely on exogenous ones. So the conversationbecomes less usefull. But that does not take away from the fact that hormones like androgens gh and estrogens are the most fundementall signalling in our bodies by far and acting as if its not extremely significant and responsible for most shit in out bodies, production of sebum or pretty much anything for that matter grinds to a halt in absence of these hormones and shots to the moon in their excess, treating such a fundamentall aspect as maybe a side issue unable to be the main cause means youre either illiterate,havent done the research or batshit crazy, im all for talking about the benefits of eating healthy but dont spread misinformation in doing do because this is not one of them

Because guess what, stopping the signal for sebum production is what youre supposed to do if you want less sebum

Even the package inserts for medications you claim have rare side effects are full of risks you dismiss as insinsignificant

Yes because they have to put all side effects there no matter if its 1/2 or 1 in a million, they are constrained by law to do it so tou are 100% informed

Whether you turn your body into a laboratory rat is your choice, but biochemical facts will never support the claim that nutrition is irrelevant

Ive repeated many times that its not irrelevant, its irrelevant for looks because we are on "looksmaxxing.com", i even said its important for health but youre misdiagnosing issues as health detriments or nutritionally related when these things are not,

Biochemistry does not do research from a looksmaxxing standpoint again nor even a general human viewpoint for that natter as they dont take practicall effects into their analysis. Dont act like im discrediting health effects from diet just because i discredited its effects on looks, either youve repeatedly misunderstood me,misdiagnosed the topics at discusion or tried to do a strawman because your presupositions are incorrect

 

[Pearex]

If youre only objective is to have a pretty house then thats completely fine

You choose to rely on chemical paints medicines to keep the exterior of your building shiny even if its foundation is rotten I on the other hand, prefer the building to be both structurally sound and naturally beautiful. But remember, in biology, a house always collapses from the inside. When the foundation weakens, even the most expensive paint in the world can't hide the cracks. The scientific facts are clear Diet affects the outcome, while medication only suppresses it. Enjoy your burgers

Its a patch but lifestyle intervention isnt a patch at all because its not really relevant
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/fullarticle/393279? This study found a 0,78 correlation between male acne and dheas, and a 0,88 correlation to igf and acne in women. That is a way better correlation than that between fast food and cardiovascular disease,smoking and lung disease, good diet and lifespan, exercise and lifespan, hell the correlation with igf is on par with shoe size to foot length thats how related they are. Imagne how crazy it would be if i just denied and completely disregarded all the links between these. It would obviously be fucking insane but still less insane than thhe correlation between hormones and acne

Thanks for sharing the data because you actually proved my thesis perfectly. You scored an own goal in a biochemical way while defending your own argument.
The study you shared is mathematical proof of how diet manipulates skin through hormones IGF-1 biology is a whole hormones don't just appear out of nowhere, every bite you eat reprograms that hormonal panel (especially the insulin and IGF-1 pathway). I have nothing more to say in the face of your own scientific data so strongly confirming the effect of diet. Science is infallible diet controls IGF-1 and IGF-1 controls the skin

Yes because they have to put all side effects there no matter if its 1/2 or 1 in a million, they

You might be able to psychologically reassure yourself by saying "one in a million" but the medical world classifies these drugs as high risk and requiring close monitoring. Trying to treat the metabolic damage, liver problems, and hormonal imbalance caused by eating burger king four times a week is like burning down the house to kill a fly. The risk analysis is yours, your liver is yours but don't manipulate science for your own comfort

Ive repeated many times that its not irrelevant, its irrelevant for looks because we are on "looksmaxxing.com", i even said its important for health but youre misdiagnosing issues as health detriments or nutritionally related when these things are not,

Health and aesthetics are not two separate boxes. You can't achieve maximum appearance by neglecting the building's foundations nutrition health and only painting the exterior.
My arguments explain how that seemingly insignificant dietary habit is actually sabotaging your reflection in the mirror (swelling skin tone texture)

Biochemistry does not do research from a looksmaxxing standpoint again nor even a general human viewpoint for that natter as they dont take practicall effects into their analysis. Dont act like im discrediting health effects from diet just because i discredited its effects on looks, either youve repeatedly misunderstood me,misdiagnosed the topics at discusion or tried to do a strawman because your presupositions are incorrect

I wish you success with your drug-focused aesthetic vision. However, the fact that you cannot achieve 'maximum' appearance by ignoring the rules of biology will not change whether you accept it or not. The discussion ends here for me

 

[ponyboy]

Thanks for sharing the data because you actually proved my thesis perfectly. You scored an own goal in a biochemical way while defending your own argument.
The study you shared is mathematical proof of how diet manipulates skin through hormones IGF-1

The diet part was not part of any of the science and something you inserted without good justification

biology is a whole hormones don't just appear out of nowhere, every bite you eat reprograms that hormonal panel (especially the insulin and IGF-1 pathway). I have nothing more to say in the face of your own scientific data so strongly confirming the effect of diet. Science is infallible diet controls IGF-1 and IGF-1 controls the skin

Sure theyre made out of food but were not talking about the difference between food and starving were talking about low quality food somewhat consistently compared to a better diet without these foods

In first wirld countries the vast majority of people already produce gh at their genetic peak because the production relies more on having the resources to do so, so as long as you have some macronutrients the other shit doesnt come close in comparison, you just need macros not food quality or micros

this is why within first world countries genetics have so much stronger correlation with height rather than diet and height for example. If you take a look at any average height graph of a developed country it very clearly platues and has platoued for a while since very few people are malnourished, this has happened even though micronutrient defincies have become more and more rare and over time food quality has steadily improved,

ou choose to rely on chemical paints medicines to keep the exterior of your building shiny even if its foundation is rotten I on the other hand, prefer the building to be both structurally sound and naturally beautiful

Great, if youre objective is different than the main theme here, id also prefer living in a large city while also being attractive, should i tell people to move to a large city while giving looks advise or would that be irrelevant?

But remember, in biology, a house always collapses from the inside. When the foundation weakens, even the most expensive paint in the world can't hide the cracks. The scientific facts are clear Diet affects the outcome, while medication only suppresses it. Enjoy your burgers

Where did you get those facts from? First of none of the medications mentioned are helping your health because ugly skin is not a health problem, its just a social problem and not a biological one, if youd like to improve your health with meds you could do that with proven meds like for examples statins very clearly decrease mortality risk in many areas and do so better than a good diet btw, so the part about medication just supressing it and not affecting outcome is false ,bp medications like telmisartan for example have shown tremendous effects on mortality and of course cardiovascular disease, and doing this prevention better than cardio. I didnt bring up accutane as a health drug because this was not the purpose, different drugs have different purposes and one not doing it all doesnt make it bad

I also dont eat burgers and sit on my couch, i eat healthy mostly, do cardio every day,sleep well etc, i just dont like missinformation, i also take these meds because they have clear and exeptional benefits and just taking an anti-pharma stance,

You might be able to psychologically reassure yourself by saying "one in a million" but the medical world classifies these drugs as high risk and requiring close monitoring. Trying to treat the metabolic damage, liver problems, and hormonal imbalance caused by eating burger king four times a week is like burning down the house to kill a fly. The risk analysis is yours, your liver is yours but don't manipulate science for your own cocomfort

Again, i didnt intent to do that, none of the drugs mentioned are considered high risk and is rare are you out of your mind? Ive looked at the studies and ill say it again, side effects are rare

I didnt try to claim doing any of these things like fixing liver problems or metabolism with accutane, i refuse to belive youre this bad at reading ive even reiterated maybe 10 times that the objective was looks, i didnt try to manipulate nothing youre just trying to strawman again because i very clearly did not say anything close to that

Health and aesthetics are not two separate boxes. You can't achieve maximum appearance by neglecting the building's foundations nutrition health and only painting the exterior.
My arguments explain how that seemingly insignificant dietary habit is actually sabotaging your reflection in the mirror (swelling skin tone texture)

Youre aware that we can only see the exterior right? Unless youve got some xray vision yiu absolutely can look the best you can amd have shit health, great example is models, almost all of them are forced into terribly unhealthy eating habits where they become malnourished and drug use like adderal for example to supress appetite is very common yet they look great and as good as they can, because guess what i cant see their cardiovascular health, all three metrics are also very weakly tied to diet and way more related to cellular turnover which is very strongly tied to genetic aspects like how much estrogen you have etc

However, the fact that you cannot achieve 'maximum' appearance by ignoring the rules of biology will not change whether you accept it or not.

Youre a fucking reetard, im not ignoring the rules of biology that are relevant to aestetics, because a ton have nothing to do with looks of which i disregarded in this conversation because its not relevant, the laws of time relativity always apply but you dont have to nor do you take them into account whem you wanna go and have a coffe because its irrelevant to the objective

Your statement have been kind of if i said "exercise reverses late stage cancer", youd definitely call me out because its false and that would be spreading missinformation but calling me put doesnt mean youd be anti exercise just as im not anti good diet, im anti you giving false info

Log off retardd, most intellectually dishonest user by far

 

[Pearex]

The diet part was not part of any of the science and something you inserted without good justification

Sure theyre made out of food but were not talking about the difference between food and starving were talking about low quality food somewhat consistently compared to a better diet without these foods

In first wirld countries the vast majority of people already produce gh at their genetic peak because the production relies more on having the resources to do so, so as long as you have some macronutrients the other shit doesnt come close in comparison, you just need macros not food quality or micros

this is why within first world countries genetics have so much stronger correlation with height rather than diet and height for example. If you take a look at any average height graph of a developed country it very clearly platues and has platoued for a while since very few people are malnourished, this has happened even though micronutrient defincies have become more and more rare and over time food quality has steadily improved,

Great, if youre objective is different than the main theme here, id also prefer living in a large city while also being attractive, should i tell people to move to a large city while giving looks advise or would that be irrelevant?

Where did you get those facts from? First of none of the medications mentioned are helping your health because ugly skin is not a health problem, its just a social problem and not a biological one, if youd like to improve your health with meds you could do that with proven meds like for examples statins very clearly decrease mortality risk in many areas and do so better than a good diet btw, so the part about medication just supressing it and not affecting outcome is false ,bp medications like telmisartan for example have shown tremendous effects on mortality and of course cardiovascular disease, and doing this prevention better than cardio. I didnt bring up accutane as a health drug because this was not the purpose, different drugs have different purposes and one not doing it all doesnt make it bad

I also dont eat burgers and sit on my couch, i eat healthy mostly, do cardio every day,sleep well etc, i just dont like missinformation, i also take these meds because they have clear and exeptional benefits and just taking an anti-pharma stance,

Again, i didnt intent to do that, none of the drugs mentioned are considered high risk and is rare are you out of your mind? Ive looked at the studies and ill say it again, side effects are rare

I didnt try to claim doing any of these things like fixing liver problems or metabolism with accutane, i refuse to belive youre this bad at reading ive even reiterated maybe 10 times that the objective was looks, i didnt try to manipulate nothing youre just trying to strawman again because i very clearly did not say anything close to that

Youre aware that we can only see the exterior right? Unless youve got some xray vision yiu absolutely can look the best you can amd have shit health, great example is models, almost all of them are forced into terribly unhealthy eating habits where they become malnourished and drug use like adderal for example to supress appetite is very common yet they look great and as good as they can, because guess what i cant see their cardiovascular health, all three metrics are also very weakly tied to diet and way more related to cellular turnover which is very strongly tied to genetic aspects like how much estrogen you have etc

Youre a fucking reetard, im not ignoring the rules of biology that are relevant to aestetics, because a ton have nothing to do with looks of which i disregarded in this conversation because its not relevant, the laws of time relativity always apply but you dont have to nor do you take them into account whem you wanna go and have a coffe because its irrelevant to the objective

Your statement have been kind of if i said "exercise reverses late stage cancer", youd definitely call me out because its false and that would be spreading missinformation but calling me put doesnt mean youd be anti exercise just as im not anti good diet, im anti you giving false info

Log off retardd, most intellectually dishonest user by far

Look buddy, my intention wasn't to offend you I was simply to correct the points I saw as flawed based on biochemical facts. While your own data shows a massive 88% correlation between IGF-1 and nutrition declaring the impact of nutrition on aesthetic results "irrelevant" isn't a rational approach. Your insults, unfortunately, are merely a defense mechanism resorted to when scientific arguments are exhausted. Instead of pitting the symptomatic success of medication against the systemic power of nutrition, optimizing both is a true "looksmaxxing" achievement. The methods you choose are your preference, but biological laws continue to operate independently of personal opinions. The matter is closed for me I wish you success in your endeavors

 

[ponyboy]

Look buddy, my intention wasn't to offend you I was simply to correct the points I saw as flawed based on biochemical facts. While your own data shows a massive 88% correlation between IGF-1 and nutrition declaring the impact of nutrition on aesthetic results "irrelevant" isn't a rational approach.

Yes it absolutely is, if igf in women or dheas in men are very clearly so important and so closely related then they are obviously the

You even in the beggining were talking about cronic inflammation as the main reason of which food matters then you in the middle of everything had to make up a completely new argument trying to tie some relation with food quality and igf which was invalid explained above. Because you have no idea what youre talking about, even if you wanted to make the case that food is so important for these hormones which then in turn caused these effects then you wouldve done so from the beggining as you would already understand the subject atleast to a basic level, yet you had to on the go flip flop and switch arguments to another shit one as soon as you got some redimentary info

Instead of pitting the symptomatic success of medication against the systemic power of nutrition, optimizing both is a true "looksmaxxing" achievement.

I also dont eat burgers and sit on my couch, i eat healthy mostly, do cardio every day,sleep well etc, i just dont like missinformation, i also take these meds because they have clear and exeptional benefits and just taking an anti-pharma stance,

I said similar sentences many times, the problem was that 1 you wrongly credited nutrition when the links behind the issues are mich more close tied to other things 2 discredited pharma as not an actuall health solution or help but instead painted it as a quick fix that doesnt acctually fix health issues and just acts as a mask when that is very far from the exstensive science on the matter

Im genuinely curious if you just dnr'ed and guessed what i said or you purposely and repeatedly missreprepresented my arguments, which ever it is stop doing it.

 

[Pearex]

No, effect on hormone is basically zero, effect on skin is trivial

Ponyboy your information is wrong from the start I don't understand why you're denying it. This is the starting point

 

[ponyboy]

Ponyboy your information is wrong from the start I don't understand why you're denying it. This is the starting point

It was not wrong, i talked about above why diet optimization in this context wont matter for hormone changes and also showed why that is the relevant metric

Also even if skipping burger king is gonna increase hormone levels youd actually suffer skin detriments from the androgens as those were the most important in men, same with igf, hormones in this context do both good and bad things you cant have both

 

[Pearex]

No, effect on hormone is basically zero, effect on skin is trivial

Also even if skipping burger king is gonna increase hormone levels youd actually suffer skin detriments from the androgens as those were the most important in men

Just a moment ago you were saying 'the effect of diet on skin is insignificant and its effect on hormones is zero' and now you've contradicted your own initial thesis by saying 'even if giving up Burger King increases your hormone levels' You've inadvertently admitted that diet does affect hormones this is a huge paradox. The truth is Androgens can trigger acne, but what turns those androgens into uncontrolled aggression, transforming the skin into a field of oil, is the insulin and IGF-1 trigger created by those burgers you call zero effect. The fact that you contradict yourself so quickly with the data and statements you shared proves that you are approaching this issue not scientifically, but entirely through 'arbitrary denial' First, decide what you are defending

 

[Pearex]

Look bro I'm being completely honest having incorrect information or being wrong about something isn't a problem, we're all human and we can learn. But it's a problem when, even when your own data and arguments prove you wrong, you still insist on the opposite just to avoid losing the argument. First you said 'nutrition doesn't affect hormones' and now you've admitted it yourself by saying 'even if you give up burgers' Continuing the discussion from this point on would be a waste of time. I hope one day you'll stop twisting scientific facts to defend your personal habits good luck

 

[ponyboy]

Just a moment ago you were saying 'the effect of diet on skin is insignificant and its effect on hormones is zero' and now you've contradicted your own initial thesis by saying 'even if giving up Burger King increases your hormone levels' You've inadvertently admitted that diet does affect hormones this is a huge paradox.

I did not, keyword "if", it should be very clear by the part above that i did not grant that

Come back to this site when youve learned to read

The truth is Androgens can trigger acne, but what turns those androgens into uncontrolled aggression, transforming the skin into a field of oil, is the insulin and IGF-1 trigger created by those burgers you call zero effect.

No, that would be very missleading, igf and androgens do interact in the way of making the ar more sensitive but the effect is very modest relative to actuall androgen levels, even just a sign irl would be the prevalence of acne in those taking hgh compared to AAS users, and its not even close steroid dudes have way kore acne and their backs look like a pizza, even the differnce inbetween steroids is huge favouring the more androgenic steroids because androgenicity is the main driver of sebum production,

the igf effects from burgers Isnt really significant as its so quick, the same trigger wouldve happened from slower carbs than those buns but just over a longer time, this is why natty bodybuilders dont just buy food from mcdonalds to increase their igf levels without exogenous hormones, because the effect is not different to other shit

 

[HeavyMetalGoth]

it might make your skin more oily
idk mcdonalds better

 

[zwoie]

bad for skin

 

[burnmyskin]

So i go out with friends like 4 times a week and we eat burger king with a shit ton of seed oils, do they fuck with my skin or hormones??

is grass green?

 

[Shaneki]

So i go out with friends like 4 times a week and we eat burger king with a shit ton of seed oils, do they fuck with my skin or hormones??

Yes they do son