Info Theoretical close-set ESR improvement

[genio]

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT A GUIDE
​

Background Info
There are three layers to your skin;
the epidermis, dermis and hypodermis

The epidermis is a thin layer that protects your skin through keeping germs out and moisture in. Ranges from 0.05mm to 0.1mm, which is insignificant.

The dermis is much thicker layer that contains collagen and elastin. It contains your blood vessels, sweat glands, oil glands, hair follicles, and nerve endings. Ranges from 1.0mm to 1.3mm, which is moderately significant.

The hypodermis is the most variable layer of your skin depending on what body fat you’re at. It is just a layer of fat. Ranges from 1.0mm to 7.0mm depending on your body fat/fat distribution, which is moderately to very significantly important.

A corticosteroid is a topical medicine meant to treat inflammatory issues like redness and swelling. It also disrupts skin moisture and thins it. In this case, it could probably thin the skin by anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm.

An ultrasound cavitation is a device that causes low frequency ultrasound waves to create bubbles in fat tissue that liquefy them and are then rid of by the body’s lymphatic system.

My Theory
If your shitty ESR is caused by wide cheekbones rather than a shitty IPD, maybe you could improve it by losing weight, using a corticosteroid, and/or using an ultrasound cavitation. Getting down to a low body fat percentage is crucial (something I need to do) and could cause anywhere from 1.0mm to 6.0mm off your bizygomatic measurement, maybe even more (only if you’re over 30% body fat which is unlikely for most of you guys). Corticosteroids can cause skin thinning and is often used to make the nose smaller. If this same concept is applied around your cheekbones, you could lose anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm on all three layers of skin total as it also slightly affects the hypodermis. If your fat distribution is really bad, maybe an ultrasound cavitation could be used to melt some of the fat off the cheekbones, but should only be used after you’re at a healthy body fat. It could help by maybe 1.0mm to 3.0mm of thinning.

For example, if someone’s bizygomatic is 152mm with a normal IPD of 64mm, they would have a 42.1% ESR. If this person has say, a 4.0mm thick hypodermis, and they either lose weight or use a UC to lose 3.0mm of fat per side of cheekbone (6.00 total), they would then have an ESR of 43.8%. If they go further with corticosteroids and lose say 1.00 of dermis and hypodermis per side of cheekbone (2.0mm total), they would then have an ESR of 44.4%, which is just barely ideal (according to CreatingAttractive’s old formula sheet).

Note: This is just a theory (a Game Theory!). Do not expect guaranteed results if you decide to try some of the stuff mentioned here.

Tdlr; Fat loss/melting and skin thinning could theoretically affect the ESR measurement through achieving a lesser bizygomatic width.

 

[genio]

Yo why do all of my high effort threads get dnrd i need responses and validation immediately

 

[dexxyn11]

Yo skin thinnin it's bd none wnts dat it descends u

 

[genio]

Yo skin thinnin it's bd none wnts dat it descends u

Eye spacing is much more important than that shit idc if my skin is bruised and red

 

[dexxyn11]

Eye spacing is much more important than that shit idc if my skin is bruised and red

Yeah boyo both r imp bt esr cn b fixed w lossing weight too so u hv to wait fst n dsn it thins d skin under yo eye too?

 

[dexxyn11]

Yo why do all of my high effort threads get dnrd i need responses and validation immediately

Yo mirin d effort

 

[genio]

Just apply it on the lateral part of your zygote near the temple it wont affect your under eye. Also losing weight is more important, but any improvement is appreciated when it comes to something as important as eye spacing.

Yeah boyo both r imp bt esr cn b fixed w lossing weight too so u hv to wait fst n dsn it thins d skin under yo eye too?

 

[genio]

Yo mirin d effort

Thanks bhai

 

[genio]

@chudlite67 @foidslayer bump me NOW

 

[Cat.]

Background Info
There are three layers to your skin;
the epidermis, dermis and hypodermis

The epidermis is a thin layer that protects your skin through keeping germs out and moisture in. Ranges from 0.05mm to 0.1mm, which is insignificant.

The dermis is much thicker layer that contains collagen and elastin. It contains your blood vessels, sweat glands, oil glands, hair follicles, and nerve endings. Ranges from 1.0mm to 1.3mm, which is moderately significant.

The hypodermis is the most variable layer of your skin depending on what body fat you’re at. It is just a layer of fat. Ranges from 1.0mm to 7.0mm depending on your body fat/fat distribution, which is moderately to very significantly important.

A corticosteroid is a topical medicine meant to treat inflammatory issues like redness and swelling. It also disrupts skin moisture and thins it. In this case, it could probably thin the skin by anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm.

An ultrasound cavitation is a device that causes low frequency ultrasound waves to create bubbles in fat tissue that liquefy them and are then rid of by the body’s lymphatic system.

My Theory
If your shitty ESR is caused by wide cheekbones rather than a shitty IPD, maybe you could improve it by losing weight, using a corticosteroid, and/or using an ultrasound cavitation. Getting down to a low body fat percentage is crucial (something I need to do) and could cause anywhere from 1.0mm to 6.0mm off your bizygomatic measurement, maybe even more (only if you’re over 30% body fat which is unlikely for most of you guys). Corticosteroids can cause skin thinning and is often used to make the nose smaller. If this same concept is applied around your cheekbones, you could lose anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm on all three layers of skin total as it also slightly affects the hypodermis. If your fat distribution is really bad, maybe an ultrasound cavitation could be used to melt some of the fat off the cheekbones, but should only be used after you’re at a healthy body fat. It could help by maybe 1.0mm to 3.0mm of thinning.

For example, if someone’s bizygomatic is 152mm with a normal IPD of 64mm, they would have a 42.1% ESR. If this person has say, a 4.0mm thick hypodermis, and they either lose weight or use a UC to lose 3.0mm of fat per side of cheekbone (6.00 total), they would then have an ESR of 43.8%. If they go further with corticosteroids and lose say 1.00 of dermis and hypodermis per side of cheekbone (2.0mm total), they would then have an ESR of 44.4%, which is just barely ideal (according to CreatingAttractive’s old formula sheet).

Note: This is just a theory (a Game Theory!). Do not expect guaranteed results if you decide to try some of the stuff mentioned here.

Tdlr; Fat loss/melting and skin thinning could theoretically affect the ESR measurement through achieving a lesser bizygomatic width.

43 esr warrior reading this cause of wide cheekbones

 

[genio]

43 esr warrior reading this cause of wide cheekbones

My cheekbones are disgusting wide 152mm is fucking absurdly wide for no reason

 

[Cat.]

My cheekbones are disgusting wide 152mm is fucking absurdly wide for no reason

Yeah dude im lean and its this bad its over so its chill

 

[genio]

Yeah dude im lean and its this bad its over so its chill

Yah but im lowk fat so i can be saved
Wanna be 43 esr like you tired of ts 42

 

[foidslayer]

Losing fat can slightly reduce how wide your cheekbones look, but it won’t actually shrink the bone, so the effect is limited to a small visual change. Using corticosteroids for this is a bad idea they thin and damage the skin in an uncontrolled way and won’t meaningfully reduce width. Ultrasound cavitation is also unreliable for the face and can lead to uneven results. Overall, only getting lean is a safe and somewhat effective approach, while the rest is either ineffective or risky.

 

[genio]

Losing fat can slightly reduce how wide your cheekbones look, but it won’t actually shrink the bone, so the effect is limited to a small visual change. Using corticosteroids for this is a bad idea they thin and damage the skin in an uncontrolled way and won’t meaningfully reduce width. Ultrasound cavitation is also unreliable for the face and can lead to uneven results. Overall, only getting lean is a safe and somewhat effective approach, while the rest is either ineffective or risky.

Losing fat can definitely cause hugely significant increases in esr ive measured many examples ranging from 1-3%. It’s not slight unless youre going from like 15% to 12%. Just put corticosteroids in there because any marginal increase is improvement and eye spacing is much more important than how fucked up your skin is on the cheekbones. UC there for ppl with bad fat distribution.

 

[foidslayer]

Losing fat can definitely cause hugely significant increases in esr ive measured many examples ranging from 1-3%. It’s not slight unless youre going from like 15% to 12%. Just put corticosteroids in there because any marginal increase is improvement and eye spacing is much more important than how fucked up your skin is on the cheekbones. UC there for ppl with bad fat distribution.

Getting lean can noticeably improve ESR by changing facial proportions, especially from higher body fat levels, but it still plateaus once you’re already lean. Corticosteroids and ultrasound cavitation aren’t worth it. they can cause permanent skin damage, asymmetry, and worse overall aesthetics for very minimal or unpredictable gains. Leaning out is the only reliable and safe way to improve it.

 

[chudlite67]

Background Info
There are three layers to your skin;
the epidermis, dermis and hypodermis

The epidermis is a thin layer that protects your skin through keeping germs out and moisture in. Ranges from 0.05mm to 0.1mm, which is insignificant.

The dermis is much thicker layer that contains collagen and elastin. It contains your blood vessels, sweat glands, oil glands, hair follicles, and nerve endings. Ranges from 1.0mm to 1.3mm, which is moderately significant.

The hypodermis is the most variable layer of your skin depending on what body fat you’re at. It is just a layer of fat. Ranges from 1.0mm to 7.0mm depending on your body fat/fat distribution, which is moderately to very significantly important.

A corticosteroid is a topical medicine meant to treat inflammatory issues like redness and swelling. It also disrupts skin moisture and thins it. In this case, it could probably thin the skin by anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm.

An ultrasound cavitation is a device that causes low frequency ultrasound waves to create bubbles in fat tissue that liquefy them and are then rid of by the body’s lymphatic system.

My Theory
If your shitty ESR is caused by wide cheekbones rather than a shitty IPD, maybe you could improve it by losing weight, using a corticosteroid, and/or using an ultrasound cavitation. Getting down to a low body fat percentage is crucial (something I need to do) and could cause anywhere from 1.0mm to 6.0mm off your bizygomatic measurement, maybe even more (only if you’re over 30% body fat which is unlikely for most of you guys). Corticosteroids can cause skin thinning and is often used to make the nose smaller. If this same concept is applied around your cheekbones, you could lose anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm on all three layers of skin total as it also slightly affects the hypodermis. If your fat distribution is really bad, maybe an ultrasound cavitation could be used to melt some of the fat off the cheekbones, but should only be used after you’re at a healthy body fat. It could help by maybe 1.0mm to 3.0mm of thinning.

For example, if someone’s bizygomatic is 152mm with a normal IPD of 64mm, they would have a 42.1% ESR. If this person has say, a 4.0mm thick hypodermis, and they either lose weight or use a UC to lose 3.0mm of fat per side of cheekbone (6.00 total), they would then have an ESR of 43.8%. If they go further with corticosteroids and lose say 1.00 of dermis and hypodermis per side of cheekbone (2.0mm total), they would then have an ESR of 44.4%, which is just barely ideal (according to CreatingAttractive’s old formula sheet).

Note: This is just a theory (a Game Theory!). Do not expect guaranteed results if you decide to try some of the stuff mentioned here.

Tdlr; Fat loss/melting and skin thinning could theoretically affect the ESR measurement through achieving a lesser bizygomatic width.

very nice thank u

 

[genio]

Getting lean can noticeably improve ESR by changing facial proportions, especially from higher body fat levels, but it still plateaus once you’re already lean. Corticosteroids and ultrasound cavitation aren’t worth it. they can cause permanent skin damage, asymmetry, and worse overall aesthetics for very minimal or unpredictable gains. Leaning out is the only reliable and safe way to improve it.

hmm
Corticosteroids may be cope as its marginal and would probably only result in a marginal increase but i feel like UC would be useful if the user is high iq enough to minimize side effects.

 

[genio]

very nice thank u

Yes thanks for bumping bhai

 

[foidslayer]

hmm
Corticosteroids may be cope as its marginal and would probably only result in a marginal increase but i feel like UC would be useful if the user is high iq enough to minimize side effects.

Ultrasound cavitation sounds appealing in theory, but in practice it’s unpredictable on the face and can easily cause uneven fat loss or asymmetry, even if you try to be careful.

 

[chudlite67]

Yes thanks for bumping bhai

yes ofc

 

[genio]

Ultrasound cavitation sounds appealing in theory, but in practice it’s unpredictable on the face and can easily cause uneven fat loss or asymmetry, even if you try to be careful.

Still worth putting up there tbh id rather get an asymmetrical result and boost my ESR than not do it. ESR is the single most important ratio. Asymmetry is a minimal flaw compared to ESR

 

[genio]

I cant stress how important esr is i think even corticosteroids’ marginal gains are worth it over the side effects

 

[foidslayer]

Still worth putting up there tbh id rather get an asymmetrical result and boost my ESR than not do it. ESR is the single most important ratio. Asymmetry is a minimal flaw compared to ESR

Maybe a face mask will project your maxilla enough to fix it tho

 

[genio]

Maybe a face mask will project your maxilla enough to fix it tho

Wdym

 

[foidslayer]

Wdym

i forgot

 

[genio]

i forgot

R we serious
Im gonna try the stuff in ts not a guide hopefully my example at the end was true bc those are my stats LMAO

 

[foidslayer]

R we serious
Im gonna try the stuff in ts guide hopefully my example at the end was true bc those are my stats LMAO

im pretty sure pfl is the most important stat tho, no?

 

[genio]

im pretty sure pfl is the most important stat tho, no?

ESR > PFL easy
Ill just get an epicanthoplasty and do all of this
I lowk searched up corticosteroids adverse side effects and it was disgusting but dw ive used on my skin before and it didnt do ts

 

[foidslayer]

ESR > PFL easy
Ill just get an epicanthoplasty and do all of this
I lowk searched up corticosteroids adverse side effects and it was disgusting but dw ive used on my skin before and it didnt do ts

goodluck bhai htn soon!

 

[genio]

goodluck bhai htn soon!

Htn in mumbai havent u seen my g**k eyes

 

[foidslayer]

Htn in mumbai havent u seen my g**k eyes

n***a your eyes aren't even bad you can reach htn if you simply have a good lower third with that eye area

 

[genio]

n***a your eyes aren't even bad you can reach htn if you simply have a good lower third with that eye area

My bad og my chin is slightly recessed so maybe chin filler and ts esr shit w epicanthoplasty will bring me to mtn

 

[genio]

Actually im getting contacts bhai

 

[genio]

@Aurelius74 bump bhai

 

[Penalizer69]

Yeah boyo both r imp bt esr cn b fixed w lossing weight too so u hv to wait fst n dsn it thins d skin under yo eye too?

Why do you type like a r****d

 

[genio]

Why do you type like a r****d

They type like they got no e key but obv do

 

[genio]

@Alfredo @paulyune

 

[paulyune]

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT A GUIDE
​

Background Info
There are three layers to your skin;
the epidermis, dermis and hypodermis

The epidermis is a thin layer that protects your skin through keeping germs out and moisture in. Ranges from 0.05mm to 0.1mm, which is insignificant.

The dermis is much thicker layer that contains collagen and elastin. It contains your blood vessels, sweat glands, oil glands, hair follicles, and nerve endings. Ranges from 1.0mm to 1.3mm, which is moderately significant.

The hypodermis is the most variable layer of your skin depending on what body fat you’re at. It is just a layer of fat. Ranges from 1.0mm to 7.0mm depending on your body fat/fat distribution, which is moderately to very significantly important.

A corticosteroid is a topical medicine meant to treat inflammatory issues like redness and swelling. It also disrupts skin moisture and thins it. In this case, it could probably thin the skin by anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm.

An ultrasound cavitation is a device that causes low frequency ultrasound waves to create bubbles in fat tissue that liquefy them and are then rid of by the body’s lymphatic system.

My Theory
If your shitty ESR is caused by wide cheekbones rather than a shitty IPD, maybe you could improve it by losing weight, using a corticosteroid, and/or using an ultrasound cavitation. Getting down to a low body fat percentage is crucial (something I need to do) and could cause anywhere from 1.0mm to 6.0mm off your bizygomatic measurement, maybe even more (only if you’re over 30% body fat which is unlikely for most of you guys). Corticosteroids can cause skin thinning and is often used to make the nose smaller. If this same concept is applied around your cheekbones, you could lose anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm on all three layers of skin total as it also slightly affects the hypodermis. If your fat distribution is really bad, maybe an ultrasound cavitation could be used to melt some of the fat off the cheekbones, but should only be used after you’re at a healthy body fat. It could help by maybe 1.0mm to 3.0mm of thinning.

For example, if someone’s bizygomatic is 152mm with a normal IPD of 64mm, they would have a 42.1% ESR. If this person has say, a 4.0mm thick hypodermis, and they either lose weight or use a UC to lose 3.0mm of fat per side of cheekbone (6.00 total), they would then have an ESR of 43.8%. If they go further with corticosteroids and lose say 1.00 of dermis and hypodermis per side of cheekbone (2.0mm total), they would then have an ESR of 44.4%, which is just barely ideal (according to CreatingAttractive’s old formula sheet).

Note: This is just a theory (a Game Theory!). Do not expect guaranteed results if you decide to try some of the stuff mentioned here.

Tdlr; Fat loss/melting and skin thinning could theoretically affect the ESR measurement through achieving a lesser bizygomatic width.

im too stupid for this but good thread

 

[genio]

im too stupid for this but good thread

Its water thread ur smart enough i promise

 

[slim_jim001]

i lowk like wide cheekbones

 

[Alfredo]

suc

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT A GUIDE
​

Background Info
There are three layers to your skin;
the epidermis, dermis and hypodermis

The epidermis is a thin layer that protects your skin through keeping germs out and moisture in. Ranges from 0.05mm to 0.1mm, which is insignificant.

The dermis is much thicker layer that contains collagen and elastin. It contains your blood vessels, sweat glands, oil glands, hair follicles, and nerve endings. Ranges from 1.0mm to 1.3mm, which is moderately significant.

The hypodermis is the most variable layer of your skin depending on what body fat you’re at. It is just a layer of fat. Ranges from 1.0mm to 7.0mm depending on your body fat/fat distribution, which is moderately to very significantly important.

A corticosteroid is a topical medicine meant to treat inflammatory issues like redness and swelling. It also disrupts skin moisture and thins it. In this case, it could probably thin the skin by anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm.

An ultrasound cavitation is a device that causes low frequency ultrasound waves to create bubbles in fat tissue that liquefy them and are then rid of by the body’s lymphatic system.

My Theory
If your shitty ESR is caused by wide cheekbones rather than a shitty IPD, maybe you could improve it by losing weight, using a corticosteroid, and/or using an ultrasound cavitation. Getting down to a low body fat percentage is crucial (something I need to do) and could cause anywhere from 1.0mm to 6.0mm off your bizygomatic measurement, maybe even more (only if you’re over 30% body fat which is unlikely for most of you guys). Corticosteroids can cause skin thinning and is often used to make the nose smaller. If this same concept is applied around your cheekbones, you could lose anywhere from 0.5mm to 2.5mm on all three layers of skin total as it also slightly affects the hypodermis. If your fat distribution is really bad, maybe an ultrasound cavitation could be used to melt some of the fat off the cheekbones, but should only be used after you’re at a healthy body fat. It could help by maybe 1.0mm to 3.0mm of thinning.

For example, if someone’s bizygomatic is 152mm with a normal IPD of 64mm, they would have a 42.1% ESR. If this person has say, a 4.0mm thick hypodermis, and they either lose weight or use a UC to lose 3.0mm of fat per side of cheekbone (6.00 total), they would then have an ESR of 43.8%. If they go further with corticosteroids and lose say 1.00 of dermis and hypodermis per side of cheekbone (2.0mm total), they would then have an ESR of 44.4%, which is just barely ideal (according to CreatingAttractive’s old formula sheet).

Note: This is just a theory (a Game Theory!). Do not expect guaranteed results if you decide to try some of the stuff mentioned here.

Tdlr; Fat loss/melting and skin thinning could theoretically affect the ESR measurement through achieving a lesser bizygomatic width.

sucks that it is actually my ipd nerfing me, read every single molecule tho

 

[genio]

i lowk like wide cheekbones

Yeah its ideal if your ipd is also wide enough to have a good esr ratio
My fucking ipd is regular but cheekbones disgustingly wide my esr sucks

 

[slim_jim001]

Yeah its ideal if your ipd is also wide enough to have a good esr ratio
My fucking ipd is regular but cheekbones disgustingly wide my esr sucks

timothee chalmet and zendeya have it and they still mog

 

[genio]

suc

sucks that it is actually my ipd nerfing me, read every single molecule tho

You could still try this and get minimal gains
Every 0.1% matters for ESR it is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ratio
Asymmetrical results and skin damage are irrelevant if you get 1%+ ESR increase
But idk it may mess up other measurements relying on facial width for you

 

[slim_jim001]

timothee chalmet and zendeya have it and they still mog

FUCK even alain delion had it

 

[Alfredo]

You could still try this and get minimal gains
Every 0.1% matters for ESR it is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ratio
Asymmetrical results and skin damage are irrelevant if you get 1%+ ESR increase
But idk it may mess up other measurements relying on facial width for you

I feel like I should wait with that, my lower third is still actively developing and lowering my facial width might make me a bit too robust depending on my development, will probably try when am adult tho

 

[genio]

timothee chalmet and zendeya have it and they still mog

True, timothee (43 esr) has average harmony and is lhtn because of his mog angularity and misc
Zendaya’s esr isnt even bad its 46 which might be slightly unideal for women but still in a good range
My esr is like 42 so i need to do shit in this thread. Im just trying to get 43.5+ tbh

 

[slim_jim001]

do u have a pic from farther away?

True, timothee (43 esr) has average harmony and is lhtn because of his mog angularity and misc
Zendaya’s esr isnt even bad its 46 which might be slightly unideal for women but still in a good range
My esr is like 42 so i need to do shit in this thread. Im just trying to get 43.5+ tbh

 

[genio]

FUCK even alain delion had it

You dont UNDERSTAND the difference between my 42 and his 44
2% IS A HUGEE DIFFERENCE FOR ESR
You name all these top 0.5% to 0.00001% moggers
I AM NOT THAT GL BRO
Just have everything else theory