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Everything here is compiled and structured from other threads don’t rush into hardmaxxing.Your upper third frames everything. If this is weak, the rest of your face won’t carry properly.
Brow ridge is one of the biggest contributors to eye depth and overall facial intensity.
A stronger brow ridge gives that deep-set, compact eye look. If you’re lacking here, the only real fix is implants, but you should only even consider that after you’ve maxxed everything else.
A lot of people ignore the fact that posture and forward growth still play a role in how supported your upper third looks.
A stronger brow ridge gives that deep-set, compact eye look. If you’re lacking here, the only real fix is implants, but you should only even consider that after you’ve maxxed everything else.
A lot of people ignore the fact that posture and forward growth still play a role in how supported your upper third looks.
If you’re considering this, read:
Hair is your frame. Bad hair = wasted potential.
If you’re dealing with recession or thinning, your main tools are finasteride, minoxidil, and oils like rosemary or castor oil. Just understand what you’re taking before you start anything.
Your hair routine matters more than you think. Keep it healthy, don’t destroy it with heat, and actually condition it.
Slightly darker brows than your hair + keeping them groomed will instantly improve your eye area.
If you’re dealing with recession or thinning, your main tools are finasteride, minoxidil, and oils like rosemary or castor oil. Just understand what you’re taking before you start anything.
Your hair routine matters more than you think. Keep it healthy, don’t destroy it with heat, and actually condition it.
Slightly darker brows than your hair + keeping them groomed will instantly improve your eye area.
This is one of the easiest ways to improve your eye area.
Thicker brows make your eyes look more compact and reduce that overly exposed look. Grow them out, stop over-plucking, and shape them properly.
Lashes also matter. Curling them, even with your fingers, and slightly darkening the lash line makes your eyes look deeper and more defined.
Even a small amount of vaseline can make lashes look thicker.
Longer lashes also reduce visible sclera, making the eyes look more compact.
Thicker brows make your eyes look more compact and reduce that overly exposed look. Grow them out, stop over-plucking, and shape them properly.
Lashes also matter. Curling them, even with your fingers, and slightly darkening the lash line makes your eyes look deeper and more defined.
Even a small amount of vaseline can make lashes look thicker.
Longer lashes also reduce visible sclera, making the eyes look more compact.
This is where most people are lacking.
The ideal eye is compact, horizontally longer, and has minimal sclera showing.
Too much sclera makes the eyes look round and weak. You want them tight and supported.
This comes from brow positioning, lashes, and how you hold your expression. Stop raising your eyebrows all the time.
Too much sclera makes the eyes look round and weak. You want them tight and supported.
This comes from brow positioning, lashes, and how you hold your expression. Stop raising your eyebrows all the time.
Most people think their nose is the issue when it’s actually midface recession.
Fix your maxilla first before even thinking about rhinoplasty.
If the nose is still the problem after that, then surgery is an option.
Softmaxxing-wise, controlling nasal muscles like flaring and tightening can slightly change how the nose appears, but don’t expect drastic permanent changes.
Hydrocortisone can reduce inflammation slightly, but don’t abuse it. It’s not something you should be using long-term.
Fix your maxilla first before even thinking about rhinoplasty.
If the nose is still the problem after that, then surgery is an option.
Softmaxxing-wise, controlling nasal muscles like flaring and tightening can slightly change how the nose appears, but don’t expect drastic permanent changes.
Hydrocortisone can reduce inflammation slightly, but don’t abuse it. It’s not something you should be using long-term.
This is the most important part of your face.
If your maxilla is recessed, everything else looks worse.
Main things:
proper tongue posture, no mouth breathing, consistent mewing.
Perma-jutting can also help with holding a better resting position.
Chewing plays a role here too, which links into jaw development.
If you’re still growing, appliances like twin block can actually move your jaw forward and fix your bite.
If you’re done growing, then you’re looking at surgical options like bimax.
If your maxilla is recessed, everything else looks worse.
Main things:
proper tongue posture, no mouth breathing, consistent mewing.
Perma-jutting can also help with holding a better resting position.
Chewing plays a role here too, which links into jaw development.
If you’re still growing, appliances like twin block can actually move your jaw forward and fix your bite.
If you’re done growing, then you’re looking at surgical options like bimax.
This is what everyone focuses on, but it only looks good if your midface is handled.
Your jaw comes from your masseters.
Best way to grow them is actual chewing, not spamming gum all day.
Eat harder foods like steak, carrots, apples, nuts. Tear with your front teeth, chew with your back teeth, and switch sides evenly.
You can also do controlled clenching and resistance work, but don’t overdo it.
Overtraining leads to TMJ issues.
Avoid buccinator exercises, they just make your face look worse.
Best way to grow them is actual chewing, not spamming gum all day.
Eat harder foods like steak, carrots, apples, nuts. Tear with your front teeth, chew with your back teeth, and switch sides evenly.
You can also do controlled clenching and resistance work, but don’t overdo it.
Overtraining leads to TMJ issues.
Avoid buccinator exercises, they just make your face look worse.
If your bite is off, your entire lower third suffers.
Without appliances, you’re relying on:
mewing, perma-jutting, and chewing.
If you’re young, twin block is very effective.
If you’re fully grown and it’s severe, you’re looking at surgery or implants.
Without appliances, you’re relying on:
mewing, perma-jutting, and chewing.
If you’re young, twin block is very effective.
If you’re fully grown and it’s severe, you’re looking at surgery or implants.
Lip support comes from your maxilla.
Fix your midface and your lips improve naturally.
Fat loss also helps reveal structure.
Fix your midface and your lips improve naturally.
Fat loss also helps reveal structure.
This is what makes everything actually work.
You want to lose fat, not just weight.
That comes down to diet. High protein, high fiber, controlled calories.
Exercise helps indirectly by improving hormones and metabolism.
Low intensity cardio like walking or incline treadmill is ideal.
This also helps with debloating and facial sharpness.
That comes down to diet. High protein, high fiber, controlled calories.
Exercise helps indirectly by improving hormones and metabolism.
Low intensity cardio like walking or incline treadmill is ideal.
This also helps with debloating and facial sharpness.
If you’ve maxxed everything else and still need changes, then look into surgery.
Hair transplant is valid if needed.
Avoid buccal fat removal
Most important thing is your surgeon.
- Upper third: brow ridge, orbital implants
- Middle third: rhinoplasty, bimax, canthoplasty
- Lower third: jaw and chin implants
Hair transplant is valid if needed.
Avoid buccal fat removal
Most important thing is your surgeon.
Sleep properly.
Train properly.
Eat properly.
Fix posture and breathing.
Keep skincare simple and consistent.
Train properly.
Eat properly.
Fix posture and breathing.
Keep skincare simple and consistent.
The ogee curve is basically that smooth S-shaped flow from your cheekbone down into your midface and lower face. It’s what makes faces look sharp, aesthetic, and “model tier” instead of flat.
It comes down to bone structure, fat distribution, and overall facial leanness.
First thing is body fat.
You’re not getting hollow cheeks unless you’re actually lean. That’s just reality. The guide literally states the main factor is getting to low body fat and maintaining a deficit consistently.
That ties directly into the fat loss thread.
Second is debloating.
This is where most people mess up.
Debloating isn’t some magic 24 hour trick, but it’s also not some months-long myth either. You can visibly debloat your face quickly if you fix the actual causes.
Low intensity cardio, especially walking for long durations, helps regulate fluids and reduces that puffy look. Hydration, sodium balance, and not eating garbage also matter.
But the key is consistency. If your lifestyle is trash, the bloat just comes back.
Third is structure.
Even with low body fat, if your maxilla is recessed or your cheekbones aren’t supported, the ogee curve won’t show properly.
That’s why everything connects back to forward growth, chewing, and overall facial development.
Fourth is fat distribution.
Some people naturally hold more fat in their cheeks. You can’t spot reduce that, but as you get leaner, it eventually drops.
Trying to shortcut this with things like buccal fat removal is risky and often makes you look worse long-term.
It's simple.
If you want those angles:
low body fat
low facial bloating
good bone support
It comes down to bone structure, fat distribution, and overall facial leanness.
First thing is body fat.
You’re not getting hollow cheeks unless you’re actually lean. That’s just reality. The guide literally states the main factor is getting to low body fat and maintaining a deficit consistently.
That ties directly into the fat loss thread.
Second is debloating.
This is where most people mess up.
Debloating isn’t some magic 24 hour trick, but it’s also not some months-long myth either. You can visibly debloat your face quickly if you fix the actual causes.
Low intensity cardio, especially walking for long durations, helps regulate fluids and reduces that puffy look. Hydration, sodium balance, and not eating garbage also matter.
But the key is consistency. If your lifestyle is trash, the bloat just comes back.
Third is structure.
Even with low body fat, if your maxilla is recessed or your cheekbones aren’t supported, the ogee curve won’t show properly.
That’s why everything connects back to forward growth, chewing, and overall facial development.
Fourth is fat distribution.
Some people naturally hold more fat in their cheeks. You can’t spot reduce that, but as you get leaner, it eventually drops.
Trying to shortcut this with things like buccal fat removal is risky and often makes you look worse long-term.
It's simple.
If you want those angles:
low body fat
low facial bloating
good bone support
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