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Guide Ultimate Guide to contrast (saving you from looking boring)

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What Is Facial Contrast?​

Facial contrast is the difference in brightness and color between your facial features (eyes, eyebrows, eyelashes, lips, hair) and your skin Higher contrast makes features stand out more, while lower contrast creates a softer, more blended appearance and is not good. Contrast isn't everything tho. You can be high contrast and still look bad. Sometimes it can make you look uncanny if you try to fight how you look naturally too much. A good example of fighting how you look naturally is Trevor Larcom. He looks scary asf, sure he is sticking but he looks like a scary nightstalker JFL.

While most discussions focus on proportions.. contrast plays a major role in how noticeable and defined someone's features appear
two people can have similar facial structures, but the person with stronger feature definition may appear more striking because their features stand out more clearly

The main contributors are:

Hair color compared to skin
Eyebrow darkness compared to skin
Eyelash visibility
Eye definition
Lip pigmentation
Skin clarity
Facial hair contrast

a face with strong differences between these elements has higher contrast
a face where these elements blend together has lower contrast

For example:

Dark hair + dark eyebrows + light skin = higher contrast
Light hair + light eyebrows + fair skin = lower contrast
Neither is automatically better.. BUT they simply create different visual effects


Humans recognize faces through patterns, shapes, and differences between facial regions.

Contrast helps separate important facial features:

Eyes become easier to notice
Eyebrows become more defined
Lips become more visible
Facial structure appears clearer (one of the best parts)

Hair is one of the strongest contributors to overall facial contrast

Dark hair against lighter skin creates a strong separation
Light hair against lighter skin creates a softer appearance

Hair color can influence how noticeable:

eyes
eyebrows
cheekbones
jaw

a common mistake is assuming darker hair always improves appearance the best hair color is usually the one that creates harmony with your existing features

Eyebrows & Lashes​

Eyebrows are one of the most important areas because they frame the eyes.

Factors that affect eyebrow contrast:

Color, Thickness, Density and Shape

Very light eyebrows can make the eye area appear softer
Darker eyebrows can create stronger eye framing

However making eyebrows artificially too dark can create an unnatural appearance
The goal is definition not simply darkness


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Eyebrows and lashes provide strong luminance contrast.


Ideal: Dark, thick, well-defined eyebrows against lighter skin. Straight or slightly arched for men (avoid overly thin or high arches)
Impact: Higher brow contrast makes eyes appear deeper/more hooded and the face more masculine/alert. Low contrast brows can make you look tired or older

What to do:

Groom/shape naturally (threading or tweezing for clean edges)
Dye eyebrows darker if they’re light (common for blondes/redheads)
Lashes: Longer, darker lashes increase eye contrast dramatically Use lash serum (castor oil and Latisse if advanced)
Minoxidil on brows/lashes (with caution!!)

Hair Color​

Hair color sets the overall contrast tone for your head


High Contrast Examples: Dark brown/black hair with fair-to-medium skin and light eyes
Medium Contrast: Brown hair on olive/tan skin
Low Contrast: Blonde hair on very fair skin.. can look washed out. black hair on very dark skin (harmonious but lower feature pop)

What to do:

Choose hair colors that complement your skin undertone and create contrast with your eyes/skin
Avoid colors that blend too much with skin (such as ashy blonde on pale skin)

Hair transplants or dyeing for density and color optimization

Hairstyle

The right hairstyle can increase facial definition by:

framing the face, exposing features and creating better feature balance

a hairstyle should work with your natural contrast rather than fight against it

Skin Tone​

Skin is the "canvas" its lightness/darkness determines how much other features stand out


Lighter skin tones means Higher potential contrast with dark hair/eyes/lips
Darker skin tones means Need strong lip/eye definition for contrast; hyperpigmentation or uneven tone reduces it

Tanning: A light-to-medium tan can enhance contrast for many (makes teeth/whites of eyes pop), but avoid extremes that damage skin or create unevenness

What to do:

Achieve even, clear skin (foundation of everything) Skincare routine (cleanser, moisturizer, SPF, retinoids and so on)
Address redness, sallowness, or darkness with vitamin C, niacinamide, or professional treatments

Lips​

Lip contrast depends on:

Natural lip pigmentation, Skin tone, Lip hydration, Surrounding facial colors, Healthy, hydrated lips naturally appear more defined.
Dry or pale lips can reduce facial definition.

Ideal: Lips that stand out but remain masculine, fuller, defined and healthy pink/red tint without being too glossy
Studies show higher lip contrast (redder lips) increases female attractiveness and can signal health in both sexes For menmoderate contrast is often better than very low

What to do:

Exfoliate + moisturize lips daily
Lip balms with tint or subtle enhancement
Hydration and overall health (lips infact reflect circulation)
Avoid very pale lips (can age the face!)
fillers for volume if needed

1787695199521.webp



Facial Hair Contrast​

For men facial hair can dramatically change facial contrast

For examples:
Dark beard + lighter skin creates strong contrast
Light beard + similar skin tone creates softer contrast

Facial hair can also change how the jawline is perceived by adding visual framing

Color Matching:
Ideally, facial hair should be dark (or darkened) for maximum contrast against skin Light facial hair on pale skin often looks patchy and low-contrast dye it if needed.

Stubble (easy but fits VERY well for some):

Keep a clean 1–3 day shadow (trim the neckline and cheeks for sharpness)
Use beard trimmer with guard for even density
Minoxidil + dermarolling for patchy areas to achieve fuller coverage

Contrast Hacks:

Pair with tanned or clear skin for pop
Keep skin smooth underneath (exfoliate, moisturize) so hair stands out cleanly
Avoid unkempt or patchy beards they reduce contrast and look messy

For Low Growth:

Focus on upper face contrast (eyes/brows/hair) instead
Or commit to transplants + minoxidil for a permanent beard..

Eye Contrast​

The eye area is highly important because humans naturally focus on the eyes during interaction

Eye contrast comes from:
Iris color, Sclera brightness, Eyelash visibility, Eyebrow framing and Under-eye area

Examples:

A strong difference between the iris, whites of the eyes, and surrounding features can make eyes appear more noticeable

what to do:

Fix dark circles/hollowness (sleep, allergy management, caffeine eye creams and even fillers if needed)
Lower eyelid support makes whites pop more.
Avoid puffy eyes reduce salt, sleep elevated

Brow Contrast Synergy:

Keep brows dark and dense Dye them if naturally light
Avoid over-plucking a fuller brow ridge + dark color frames the eyes perfectly

PUT THIS, EYEBROWS & LASHES TOGETHER!

High, Medium, and Low Facial Contrast

High Contrast​

includes:

Strong difference between hair and skin
Visible eyebrows
Defined eye area
Noticeable facial features

Common effects:

More dramatic appearance
Features appear sharper
Photos may look more striking

Medium Contrast​

A balance between definition and softness
Features are noticeable but not extremely separated

Many people naturally fall into this category

Low Contrast​

includes:

Similar hair and skin brightness
Softer eyebrows
Less separation between features

Common effects:

Softer appearance
More youthful or gentle appearance
Less dramatic facial impression

More Facial Contrast​

Improving contrast does not mean changing your genetics
The goal is maximizing what you already have

Grooming, Hairstyle and even Clothing Colors.

Two Common Mistakes

"Everyone should have darker features."​

Wrong.
a person with naturally soft features may look worse forcing extreme contrast

"Changing hair color always improves appearance."​

Wrong.
a hair color that looks good on one person may clash with another person's natural coloring.

Now to end this thread off..

How To Determine Your Facial Contrast:
The easiest method:

Step 1:​

Take a clear photo in natural lighting.

Avoid:

filters, harsh artificial lighting and extreme angles

Step 2:​

Convert the image to grayscale
Color can hide contrast differences

Step 3:​

..Look at:

Hair vs skin difference
Eyebrows vs skin difference
Eye visibility
Lip definition

Ask:

"Do my features separate clearly or do they blend together?"


Conclusion​

Facial contrast is an underrated factor in aesthetics
It does not determine attractiveness by itself, but it influences how visible and memorable facial features appear

The goal is not to copy another person's contrast level
The goal is to understand your own features and create better harmony through grooming, styling, and presentation

Maximize your natural features instead of fighting them.. anyone else who does shi just looks uncanny. Trevor larcom for example like sure maybe he has good contrast but he looks uncanny and ugly asf.
 
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What Is Facial Contrast?​

Facial contrast is the difference in brightness and color between your facial features (eyes, eyebrows, eyelashes, lips, hair) and your skin Higher contrast makes features stand out more, while lower contrast creates a softer, more blended appearance and is not good. Contrast isn't everything tho. You can be high contrast and still look bad. Sometimes it can make you look uncanny if you try to fight how you look naturally too much. A good example of fighting how you look naturally is Trevor Larcom. He looks scary asf, sure he is sticking but he looks like a scary nightstalker JFL.

While most discussions focus on proportions.. contrast plays a major role in how noticeable and defined someone's features appear
two people can have similar facial structures, but the person with stronger feature definition may appear more striking because their features stand out more clearly

The main contributors are:

Hair color compared to skin
Eyebrow darkness compared to skin
Eyelash visibility
Eye definition
Lip pigmentation
Skin clarity
Facial hair contrast

a face with strong differences between these elements has higher contrast
a face where these elements blend together has lower contrast

For example:

Dark hair + dark eyebrows + light skin = higher contrast
Light hair + light eyebrows + fair skin = lower contrast
Neither is automatically better.. BUT they simply create different visual effects


Humans recognize faces through patterns, shapes, and differences between facial regions.

Contrast helps separate important facial features:

Eyes become easier to notice
Eyebrows become more defined
Lips become more visible
Facial structure appears clearer (one of the best parts)

Hair is one of the strongest contributors to overall facial contrast

Dark hair against lighter skin creates a strong separation
Light hair against lighter skin creates a softer appearance

Hair color can influence how noticeable:

eyes
eyebrows
cheekbones
jaw

a common mistake is assuming darker hair always improves appearance the best hair color is usually the one that creates harmony with your existing features

Eyebrows & Lashes​

Eyebrows are one of the most important areas because they frame the eyes.

Factors that affect eyebrow contrast:

Color, Thickness, Density and Shape

Very light eyebrows can make the eye area appear softer
Darker eyebrows can create stronger eye framing

However making eyebrows artificially too dark can create an unnatural appearance
The goal is definition not simply darkness


View attachment 412595


Eyebrows and lashes provide strong luminance contrast.


Ideal: Dark, thick, well-defined eyebrows against lighter skin. Straight or slightly arched for men (avoid overly thin or high arches)
Impact: Higher brow contrast makes eyes appear deeper/more hooded and the face more masculine/alert. Low contrast brows can make you look tired or older

What to do:

Groom/shape naturally (threading or tweezing for clean edges)
Dye eyebrows darker if they’re light (common for blondes/redheads)
Lashes: Longer, darker lashes increase eye contrast dramatically Use lash serum (castor oil and Latisse if advanced)
Minoxidil on brows/lashes (with caution!!)

Hair Color​

Hair color sets the overall contrast tone for your head


High Contrast Examples: Dark brown/black hair with fair-to-medium skin and light eyes
Medium Contrast: Brown hair on olive/tan skin
Low Contrast: Blonde hair on very fair skin.. can look washed out. black hair on very dark skin (harmonious but lower feature pop)

What to do:

Choose hair colors that complement your skin undertone and create contrast with your eyes/skin
Avoid colors that blend too much with skin (such as ashy blonde on pale skin)

Hair transplants or dyeing for density and color optimization

Hairstyle

The right hairstyle can increase facial definition by:

framing the face, exposing features and creating better feature balance

a hairstyle should work with your natural contrast rather than fight against it

Skin Tone​

Skin is the "canvas" its lightness/darkness determines how much other features stand out


Lighter skin tones means Higher potential contrast with dark hair/eyes/lips
Darker skin tones means Need strong lip/eye definition for contrast; hyperpigmentation or uneven tone reduces it

Tanning: A light-to-medium tan can enhance contrast for many (makes teeth/whites of eyes pop), but avoid extremes that damage skin or create unevenness

What to do:

Achieve even, clear skin (foundation of everything) Skincare routine (cleanser, moisturizer, SPF, retinoids and so on)
Address redness, sallowness, or darkness with vitamin C, niacinamide, or professional treatments

Lips​

Lip contrast depends on:

Natural lip pigmentation, Skin tone, Lip hydration, Surrounding facial colors, Healthy, hydrated lips naturally appear more defined.
Dry or pale lips can reduce facial definition.

Ideal: Lips that stand out but remain masculine, fuller, defined and healthy pink/red tint without being too glossy
Studies show higher lip contrast (redder lips) increases female attractiveness and can signal health in both sexes For menmoderate contrast is often better than very low

What to do:

Exfoliate + moisturize lips daily
Lip balms with tint or subtle enhancement
Hydration and overall health (lips infact reflect circulation)
Avoid very pale lips (can age the face!)
fillers for volume if needed

View attachment 412596


Facial Hair Contrast​

For men facial hair can dramatically change facial contrast

For examples:
Dark beard + lighter skin creates strong contrast
Light beard + similar skin tone creates softer contrast

Facial hair can also change how the jawline is perceived by adding visual framing

Color Matching:
Ideally, facial hair should be dark (or darkened) for maximum contrast against skin Light facial hair on pale skin often looks patchy and low-contrast dye it if needed.

Stubble (easy but fits VERY well for some):

Keep a clean 1–3 day shadow (trim the neckline and cheeks for sharpness)
Use beard trimmer with guard for even density
Minoxidil + dermarolling for patchy areas to achieve fuller coverage

Contrast Hacks:

Pair with tanned or clear skin for pop
Keep skin smooth underneath (exfoliate, moisturize) so hair stands out cleanly
Avoid unkempt or patchy beards they reduce contrast and look messy

For Low Growth:

Focus on upper face contrast (eyes/brows/hair) instead
Or commit to transplants + minoxidil for a permanent beard..

Eye Contrast​

The eye area is highly important because humans naturally focus on the eyes during interaction

Eye contrast comes from:
Iris color, Sclera brightness, Eyelash visibility, Eyebrow framing and Under-eye area

Examples:

A strong difference between the iris, whites of the eyes, and surrounding features can make eyes appear more noticeable

what to do:

Fix dark circles/hollowness (sleep, allergy management, caffeine eye creams and even fillers if needed)
Lower eyelid support makes whites pop more.
Avoid puffy eyes reduce salt, sleep elevated

Brow Contrast Synergy:

Keep brows dark and dense Dye them if naturally light
Avoid over-plucking a fuller brow ridge + dark color frames the eyes perfectly

PUT THIS, EYEBROWS & LASHES TOGETHER!

High, Medium, and Low Facial Contrast

High Contrast​

includes:

Strong difference between hair and skin
Visible eyebrows
Defined eye area
Noticeable facial features

Common effects:

More dramatic appearance
Features appear sharper
Photos may look more striking

Medium Contrast​

A balance between definition and softness
Features are noticeable but not extremely separated

Many people naturally fall into this category

Low Contrast​

includes:

Similar hair and skin brightness
Softer eyebrows
Less separation between features

Common effects:

Softer appearance
More youthful or gentle appearance
Less dramatic facial impression

More Facial Contrast​

Improving contrast does not mean changing your genetics
The goal is maximizing what you already have

Grooming, Hairstyle and even Clothing Colors.

Two Common Mistakes

"Everyone should have darker features."​

Wrong.
a person with naturally soft features may look worse forcing extreme contrast

"Changing hair color always improves appearance."​

Wrong.
a hair color that looks good on one person may clash with another person's natural coloring.

Now to end this thread off..

How To Determine Your Facial Contrast:
The easiest method:

Step 1:​

Take a clear photo in natural lighting.

Avoid:

filters, harsh artificial lighting and extreme angles

Step 2:​

Convert the image to grayscale
Color can hide contrast differences

Step 3:​

..Look at:

Hair vs skin difference
Eyebrows vs skin difference
Eye visibility
Lip definition

Ask:

"Do my features separate clearly or do they blend together?"


Conclusion​

Facial contrast is an underrated factor in aesthetics
It does not determine attractiveness by itself, but it influences how visible and memorable facial features appear

The goal is not to copy another person's contrast level
The goal is to understand your own features and create better harmony through grooming, styling, and presentation

Maximize your natural features instead of fighting them.. anyone else who does shi just looks uncanny. Trevor larcom for example like sure maybe he has good contrast but he looks uncanny and ugly asf.
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What Is Facial Contrast?​

Facial contrast is the difference in brightness and color between your facial features (eyes, eyebrows, eyelashes, lips, hair) and your skin Higher contrast makes features stand out more, while lower contrast creates a softer, more blended appearance and is not good. Contrast isn't everything tho. You can be high contrast and still look bad. Sometimes it can make you look uncanny if you try to fight how you look naturally too much. A good example of fighting how you look naturally is Trevor Larcom. He looks scary asf, sure he is sticking but he looks like a scary nightstalker JFL.

While most discussions focus on proportions.. contrast plays a major role in how noticeable and defined someone's features appear
two people can have similar facial structures, but the person with stronger feature definition may appear more striking because their features stand out more clearly

The main contributors are:

Hair color compared to skin
Eyebrow darkness compared to skin
Eyelash visibility
Eye definition
Lip pigmentation
Skin clarity
Facial hair contrast

a face with strong differences between these elements has higher contrast
a face where these elements blend together has lower contrast

For example:

Dark hair + dark eyebrows + light skin = higher contrast
Light hair + light eyebrows + fair skin = lower contrast
Neither is automatically better.. BUT they simply create different visual effects


Humans recognize faces through patterns, shapes, and differences between facial regions.

Contrast helps separate important facial features:

Eyes become easier to notice
Eyebrows become more defined
Lips become more visible
Facial structure appears clearer (one of the best parts)

Hair is one of the strongest contributors to overall facial contrast

Dark hair against lighter skin creates a strong separation
Light hair against lighter skin creates a softer appearance

Hair color can influence how noticeable:

eyes
eyebrows
cheekbones
jaw

a common mistake is assuming darker hair always improves appearance the best hair color is usually the one that creates harmony with your existing features

Eyebrows & Lashes​

Eyebrows are one of the most important areas because they frame the eyes.

Factors that affect eyebrow contrast:

Color, Thickness, Density and Shape

Very light eyebrows can make the eye area appear softer
Darker eyebrows can create stronger eye framing

However making eyebrows artificially too dark can create an unnatural appearance
The goal is definition not simply darkness


View attachment 412595


Eyebrows and lashes provide strong luminance contrast.


Ideal: Dark, thick, well-defined eyebrows against lighter skin. Straight or slightly arched for men (avoid overly thin or high arches)
Impact: Higher brow contrast makes eyes appear deeper/more hooded and the face more masculine/alert. Low contrast brows can make you look tired or older

What to do:

Groom/shape naturally (threading or tweezing for clean edges)
Dye eyebrows darker if they’re light (common for blondes/redheads)
Lashes: Longer, darker lashes increase eye contrast dramatically Use lash serum (castor oil and Latisse if advanced)
Minoxidil on brows/lashes (with caution!!)

Hair Color​

Hair color sets the overall contrast tone for your head


High Contrast Examples: Dark brown/black hair with fair-to-medium skin and light eyes
Medium Contrast: Brown hair on olive/tan skin
Low Contrast: Blonde hair on very fair skin.. can look washed out. black hair on very dark skin (harmonious but lower feature pop)

What to do:

Choose hair colors that complement your skin undertone and create contrast with your eyes/skin
Avoid colors that blend too much with skin (such as ashy blonde on pale skin)

Hair transplants or dyeing for density and color optimization

Hairstyle

The right hairstyle can increase facial definition by:

framing the face, exposing features and creating better feature balance

a hairstyle should work with your natural contrast rather than fight against it

Skin Tone​

Skin is the "canvas" its lightness/darkness determines how much other features stand out


Lighter skin tones means Higher potential contrast with dark hair/eyes/lips
Darker skin tones means Need strong lip/eye definition for contrast; hyperpigmentation or uneven tone reduces it

Tanning: A light-to-medium tan can enhance contrast for many (makes teeth/whites of eyes pop), but avoid extremes that damage skin or create unevenness

What to do:

Achieve even, clear skin (foundation of everything) Skincare routine (cleanser, moisturizer, SPF, retinoids and so on)
Address redness, sallowness, or darkness with vitamin C, niacinamide, or professional treatments

Lips​

Lip contrast depends on:

Natural lip pigmentation, Skin tone, Lip hydration, Surrounding facial colors, Healthy, hydrated lips naturally appear more defined.
Dry or pale lips can reduce facial definition.

Ideal: Lips that stand out but remain masculine, fuller, defined and healthy pink/red tint without being too glossy
Studies show higher lip contrast (redder lips) increases female attractiveness and can signal health in both sexes For menmoderate contrast is often better than very low

What to do:

Exfoliate + moisturize lips daily
Lip balms with tint or subtle enhancement
Hydration and overall health (lips infact reflect circulation)
Avoid very pale lips (can age the face!)
fillers for volume if needed

View attachment 412596


Facial Hair Contrast​

For men facial hair can dramatically change facial contrast

For examples:
Dark beard + lighter skin creates strong contrast
Light beard + similar skin tone creates softer contrast

Facial hair can also change how the jawline is perceived by adding visual framing

Color Matching:
Ideally, facial hair should be dark (or darkened) for maximum contrast against skin Light facial hair on pale skin often looks patchy and low-contrast dye it if needed.

Stubble (easy but fits VERY well for some):

Keep a clean 1–3 day shadow (trim the neckline and cheeks for sharpness)
Use beard trimmer with guard for even density
Minoxidil + dermarolling for patchy areas to achieve fuller coverage

Contrast Hacks:

Pair with tanned or clear skin for pop
Keep skin smooth underneath (exfoliate, moisturize) so hair stands out cleanly
Avoid unkempt or patchy beards they reduce contrast and look messy

For Low Growth:

Focus on upper face contrast (eyes/brows/hair) instead
Or commit to transplants + minoxidil for a permanent beard..

Eye Contrast​

The eye area is highly important because humans naturally focus on the eyes during interaction

Eye contrast comes from:
Iris color, Sclera brightness, Eyelash visibility, Eyebrow framing and Under-eye area

Examples:

A strong difference between the iris, whites of the eyes, and surrounding features can make eyes appear more noticeable

what to do:

Fix dark circles/hollowness (sleep, allergy management, caffeine eye creams and even fillers if needed)
Lower eyelid support makes whites pop more.
Avoid puffy eyes reduce salt, sleep elevated

Brow Contrast Synergy:

Keep brows dark and dense Dye them if naturally light
Avoid over-plucking a fuller brow ridge + dark color frames the eyes perfectly

PUT THIS, EYEBROWS & LASHES TOGETHER!

High, Medium, and Low Facial Contrast

High Contrast​

includes:

Strong difference between hair and skin
Visible eyebrows
Defined eye area
Noticeable facial features

Common effects:

More dramatic appearance
Features appear sharper
Photos may look more striking

Medium Contrast​

A balance between definition and softness
Features are noticeable but not extremely separated

Many people naturally fall into this category

Low Contrast​

includes:

Similar hair and skin brightness
Softer eyebrows
Less separation between features

Common effects:

Softer appearance
More youthful or gentle appearance
Less dramatic facial impression

More Facial Contrast​

Improving contrast does not mean changing your genetics
The goal is maximizing what you already have

Grooming, Hairstyle and even Clothing Colors.

Two Common Mistakes

"Everyone should have darker features."​

Wrong.
a person with naturally soft features may look worse forcing extreme contrast

"Changing hair color always improves appearance."​

Wrong.
a hair color that looks good on one person may clash with another person's natural coloring.

Now to end this thread off..

How To Determine Your Facial Contrast:
The easiest method:

Step 1:​

Take a clear photo in natural lighting.

Avoid:

filters, harsh artificial lighting and extreme angles

Step 2:​

Convert the image to grayscale
Color can hide contrast differences

Step 3:​

..Look at:

Hair vs skin difference
Eyebrows vs skin difference
Eye visibility
Lip definition

Ask:

"Do my features separate clearly or do they blend together?"


Conclusion​

Facial contrast is an underrated factor in aesthetics
It does not determine attractiveness by itself, but it influences how visible and memorable facial features appear

The goal is not to copy another person's contrast level
The goal is to understand your own features and create better harmony through grooming, styling, and presentation

Maximize your natural features instead of fighting them.. anyone else who does shi just looks uncanny. Trevor larcom for example like sure maybe he has good contrast but he looks uncanny and ugly asf.
Another great post from you
 
This doesn't seem like the best place for this kind of post
Yeah honestly its not but I wanna try to save com. And if I posted this somewhere like org it would just be in a sea and even tho its a great guide people would js shit on it cuz that's what happens on org.

If I start posting good things on here then I can be one of the only people who actually take this site serious and be like the face or ig one of the main users or .com to where its like anyone who knows about com also knows about me. Maybe smart maybe not only time will tell
 

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