Am I the oldest truecel here?

[choripan]

whales don’t count

Xd

 

[rand anon]

whales don’t count

It’s true boyo @choripan u could easily slay one too, just download dating apps if u rly want to

 

[choripan]

It’s true boyo @choripan u could easily slay one too, just download dating apps if u rly want to

I will and you all will se I'm stone cold truecel
If a chub girl wanted me I would be with her without a doubt

 

[rand anon]

will and you all will se I'm stone cold truecel

Doubt

If a chub girl wanted me I would be with her without a dou

Ur deserve better boyo, someone who takes care of themselves physically is the bare minimum. At most just hookup for experience if u rly want to

 

[choripan]

Doubt

I'll make a thread

Ur deserve better boyo, someone who takes care of themselves physically is the bare minimum. At most just hookup for experience if u rly want to

I only want someone that loves me. From there we can go and progress in life

 

[rand anon]

I'll make a thread

I only want someone that loves me. From there we can go and progress in life

U still hve to be attracted to them and like them back, otherwise you’ll just be resentful

 

[choripan]

U still hve to be attracted to them and like them back, otherwise you’ll just be resentful

How would I resent being loved

 

[rand anon]

How would I resent being loved

If u don’t love them back and/or aren’t physically attracted to them, eventually after the honeymoon period you very likely will, it isn’t fair to either of you

 

[choripan]

If u don’t love them back and/or aren’t physically attracted to them, eventually after the honeymoon period you very likely will, it isn’t fair to either of you

Of someone loves me it will be impossible to not love them back

 

[rand anon]

Of someone loves me it will be impossible to not love them back

U say this now but it won’t be the case if u do find urself in that situation

 

[choripan]

U say this now but it won’t be the case if u do find urself in that situation

I'm real when I say i just wanna be loved

 

[cake]

I'm real when I say i just wanna be loved

Is that your only goal in life

 

[choripan]

Is that your only goal in life

Probably
I focus in my career and myself with the objective of being enough

 

[cake]

Probably
I focus in my career and myself with the objective of being enough

Pathetic

 

[choripan]

Pathetic

Why?

 

[rand anon]

I'm real when I say i just wanna be loved

Do u think it’s fair to her if that’s ur only requirement and if u don’t actually find her attractive

 

[choripan]

Do u think it’s fair to her if that’s ur only requirement and if u don’t actually find her attractive

I would treat her like a queen and I would help her in her life so when we die we will die together and with our life achievements done
Why shouldn't it be fair? Love is not when you have a "crush". Crushes are just lust and that's why high-school relationships ends. Love is appreciation and affection and that is something you can choose (unlike lust)

 

[rand anon]

Love is appreciation and affection and that is something you can choose (unlike lust)

That’s true but love is also compatibility, that isn’t something u can just choose

 

[cake]

Why?

You should have your own will and desires imo

 

[choripan]

You should have your own will and desires imo

That is a desire on its own

 

[choripan]

That is a desire on its own

Plus I am currently doing things its not that I rot in bed expecting someone to fall from the sky.

 

[choripan]

That’s true but love is also compatibility, that isn’t something u can just choose

Yes you can come to agreements with someone you care and affection and al that. only people who argue without agreement are people that doesn't care about each other

 

[cake]

That is a desire on its own

I suppose
But you get my point
I don't like it when people's lives revolve around something as trivial as love
When they can't stand independently
It's slavery to me

 

[choripan]

I suppose
But you get my point

Yeah its a cursi bluepill cope that unironically redpill preaches too

I don't like it when people's lives revolve around something as trivial as love

It's not trivial what the flip

When they can't stand independently

I have been standing independently for 19 years and I have been better than all people my age I know (and some people older than me too)

It's slavery to me

slavery = reduced freedom by obeying someone
My situation = doing a career on point with decent grades and still putting effort to get them to be excellent

 

[cake]

Yeah its a cursi bluepill cope that unironically redpill preaches too

It's not trivial what the flip

It is pretty trivial

I have been standing independently for 19 years and I have been better than all people my age I know (and some people older than me too)

You're not even living yourself though
Your entire existence is hinged upon the validation of someone who is probably pathetic and ineffectual

slavery = reduced freedom by obeying someone
My situation = doing a career on point with decent grades and still putting effort to get them to be excellent

You can't simply live for yourself and follow your own will
Career and grades have nothing to do with it

 

[cake]

Yeah its a cursi bluepill cope that unironically redpill preaches too

It's not trivial what the flip

I have been standing independently for 19 years and I have been better than all people my age I know (and some people older than me too)

slavery = reduced freedom by obeying someone
My situation = doing a career on point with decent grades and still putting effort to get them to be excellent

If I was with someone.. and they told me that their purpose in life was me, and being with me

I'd be disgusted by them
I'd instantly want to break up

 

[rand anon]

Yes you can come to agreements with someone you care and affection and al that. only people who argue without agreement are people that doesn't care about each other

u can come to agreements with anyone my dude, that doesn't mean u love them though, especially in the romantic sense. The type of relationship ur talking about is pretty much how marriages were in olden times. Just because they worked to a degree doesn't mean they're optimal, the couples often disliked but tolerated one another. If that's whay u want go for it, but it isn't ideal. I'd rather stay single

 

[choripan]

It is pretty trivial

You're not even living yourself though

I'm literally achieving things? "Living yourself" is a cheesy phrase without meaning

Your entire existence is hinged upon the validation of someone who is probably pathetic and ineffectual

I'm literally being more effective than other people lmao

You can't simply live for yourself and follow your own will

Another cheesy phrase without meaning. Repeating again that I have lived all my life single

Career and grades have nothing to do with it

it's a way to mesusre uselfulness such as work. Vacations and stuff don't matter for calling someone pathetic, but if you believing I'm an unhappy depressed man, I'm clarifying I'm not. I still consider myself happy since I don't suffer from the things I do and I have my time to enjoy things.

If I was with someone.. and they told me that their purpose in life was me, and being with me

I'd be disgusted by them
I'd instantly want to break up

Makes sense because women are allergic to love

 

[choripan]

u can come to agreements with anyone my dude, that doesn't mean u love them though, especially in the romantic sense. The type of relationship ur talking about is pretty much how marriages were in olden times. Just because they worked to a degree doesn't mean they're optimal, the couples often disliked but tolerated one another. If that's whay u want go for it, but it isn't ideal. I'd rather stay single

with the slight difference that I will know if a person loves me before commiting because nobody wouldn't force her to reciprocate an approach/make an approach in our first talk to begin with, and all the process of meeting and accepting commitment will not be forced by anyone

 

[rand anon]

with the slight difference that I will know if a person loves me before commiting because nobody wouldn't force her to reciprocate an approach/make an approach in our first talk to begin with, and all the process of meeting and accepting commitment will not be forced by anyone

What I’m saying is that if u aren’t as into her as she is into u it won’t be ideal. It is what it is. I don’t think it’s a good idea, maybe ask the girls here what they think

 

[choripan]

What I’m saying is that if u aren’t as into her as she is into u it won’t be ideal. It is what it is. I don’t think it’s a good idea, maybe ask the girls here what they think

if she's into me I'll be into her not that deep

 

[rand anon]

if she's into me I'll be into her not that deep

U don’t know that, u just hve a desperate mindset rn so u think that’s the case

 

[choripan]

U don’t know that, u just hve a desperate mindset rn so u think that’s the case

I'm not
I know I wouldn't accept a bad person or a person with morals too different from mines
You claim inceldom as excuse just because Stacy doesn't wants you

 

[cake]

I'm literally achieving things? "Living yourself" is a cheesy phrase without meaning

Not really. Maybe it’s because you’re English 2nd language you’re not understanding. Living for yourself means having your own will, ambitions. Not being a slave for someone you’re in a relationship with. Things like love simply limit you
It’s also pathetic imo and just shows you’re 1, scared to be independent, 2 scared to dream. You should choose one or the other at least.

I'm literally being more effective than other people lmao

No you aren’t. You’ve accomplished nothing. The world wouldn’t change if you died. Maybe it’d be better because less resources are consumed
You do well at school? Material that is a joke for anyone with an 80 IQ?

Another cheesy phrase without meaning. Repeating again that I have lived all my life single

Doesn’t matter
It’s not about being alone
You can’t even strive for anything besides this mediocre tame feeling of “love”
The fact you even desire such a thing so strongly shows you’re not independent
Aka attachment to another mediocre person who will limit you
It’s simply weakness to desire such a thing, especially if it’s your only desire

it's a way to mesusre uselfulness such as work. Vacations and stuff don't matter for calling someone pathetic, but if you believing I'm an unhappy depressed man, I'm clarifying I'm not. I still consider myself happy since I don't suffer from the things I do and I have my time to enjoy things.

That’s fine I guess but still pathetic
I just think someone who’s only reason to live is someone else or desire for someone else is a loser
They’re not even living their own lives

You have only one desire and it’s something easy yet you can’t even do that
That’s the definition of failure to me

Makes sense because women are allergic to love

Women are more obsessed with love than men, every female media is romance about chad, male media is about adventure and fighting usually

 

[rand anon]

You claim inceldom as excuse just because Stacy doesn't wants you

no i don't

'm not
I know I wouldn't accept a bad person or a person with morals too different from mines

i give up broski

 

[choripan]

Not really. Maybe it’s because you’re English 2nd language you’re not understanding. Living for yourself means having your own will, ambitions. Not being a slave for someone you’re in a relationship with. Things like love simply limit you
It’s also pathetic imo and just shows you’re 1, scared to be independent, 2 scared to dream. You should choose one or the other at least.

Being a slave of no one all my life, also everyone is a slave of the system so idk what your fantasy about freedom is about but doesn't exists

No you aren’t. You’ve accomplished nothing. The world wouldn’t change if you died. Maybe it’d be better because less resources are consumed
You do well at school? Material that is a joke for anyone with an 80 IQ?

You could say that from absolute everyone. Every human on earth could dissappear and nothing will change in the universe.
Let's reduce this a little: out of all world leaders and people who discovered important things, most of them have been forgotten, and a some of them aren't even discovered. Now imagine "important" people of each history age, and how many other people lived in that age too. This point is stupid because no one (or almost no one with a gentler perspective) achieves important things

Doesn’t matter
It’s not about being alone
You can’t even strive for anything besides this mediocre tame feeling of “love”
The fact you even desire such a thing so strongly shows you’re not independent
Aka attachment to another mediocre person who will limit you
It’s simply weakness to desire such a thing, especially if it’s your only desire

I'm still living and im literally independent? Also labeling love as weakness what the sigma

That’s fine I guess but still pathetic
I just think someone who’s only reason to live is someone else or desire for someone else is a loser
They’re not even living their own lives

I'm literally living my own life?

You have only one desire and it’s something easy yet you can’t even do that
That’s the definition of failure to me

yeah I'm currently a failure to be honest

Women are more obsessed with love than men, every female media is romance about chad, male media is about adventure and fighting usually

All media is about two or more men fighting for them, sex, and powerful men wanting them. That is not romance
Male media is about being egotistical
Media is basically promoting debauchery dressed as freedom and you fell for it real bad

 

[cake]

Being a slave of no one all my life, also everyone is a slave of the system so idk what your fantasy about freedom is about but doesn't exists

That’s why I only respect people who want to conquer the system or live outside it

You could say that from absolute everyone. Every human on earth could dissappear and nothing will change in the universe.
Let's reduce this a little: out of all world leaders and people who discovered important things, most of them have been forgotten, and a some of them aren't even discovered. Now imagine "important" people of each history age, and how many other people lived in that age too. This point is stupid because no one (or almost no one with a gentler perspective) achieves important things

Exactly
Most people don’t have any worth
Only people whose death would change the world

I'm still living and im literally independent? Also labeling love as weakness what the sigma

It is a weakness
It’s just craving the validation of someone else. It’s either for the ego or because you’re too scared/weak to live on your own

I'm literally living my own life?

Your main desire is not to though

yeah I'm currently a failure to be honest

All media is about two or more men fighting for them, sex, and powerful men wanting them. That is not romance
Male media is about being egotistical
Media is basically promoting debauchery dressed as freedom and you fell for it real bad

I don’t support male media either
They end up holding foolish values over the truly important ones
Look at berserk
Guts is a complete loser and yet Griffith is presented as the bad guy

We simply have different values
I bet all you want is some middle class job, mediocre wife, some boring complacent life
If that was me I would kill myself

The only ways to live are to change humanity or avoid it entirely
I value ambition, passion, boldness

Love is fake passion
It’s only for people who want their ego stroked, or people weak and pathetic who want to rely on someone else

It’s what tames people and stops them from accomplishing great things

 

[choripan]

That’s why I only respect people who want to conquer the system or live outside it

No one conquers not live outside of the system just lol if you have this childish view of the world

Exactly
Most people don’t have any worth
Only people whose death would change the world

No one has worth then

It is a weakness
It’s just craving the validation of someone else. It’s either for the ego or because you’re too scared/weak to live on your own

Your main desire is not to though

What the sigma

I don’t support male media either
They end up holding foolish values over the truly important ones
Look at berserk
Guts is a complete loser and yet Griffith is presented as the bad guy

Didn't watched

We simply have different values
I bet all you want is some middle class job, mediocre wife, some boring complacent life
If that was me I would kill myself

The only ways to live are to change humanity or avoid it entirely
I value ambition, passion, boldness

Your "values" don't describe anything, they are just words you can put to anything
is an autistic person bold by going out to the street by himself?
Is a normal person ambitious if his objective is being a singer?
Is a kid passionate if he likes and lesrns linguistic?
Or is this only validate when you create a war and conquer a territory making thousand of lives miserable?

Love is fake passion
It’s only for people who want their ego stroked, or people weak and pathetic who want to rely on someone else

Not understanding what love is

It’s what tames people and stops them from accomplishing great things

What the sigma
Another meaningless label

 

[cake]

No one conquers not live outside of the system just lol if you have this childish view of the world

Huh?
Someone who leaves society and is self sufficient lives outside the system
Fairly obvious
Those at the top of the system conquered it
People who changed the world, scientists, world leaders, even artists

No one has worth then

Again inventors, scientists, great people

What the sigma

Didn't watched

Your "values" don't describe anything, they are just words you can put to anything
is an autistic person bold by going out to the street by himself?
Is a normal person ambitious if his objective is being a singer?
Is a kid passionate if he likes and lesrns linguistic?
Or is this only validate when you create a war and conquer a territory making thousand of lives miserable?

Yes if his objective is being a singer it’s ambitious
Of course, art is the greatest expression of humanity
No an autistic person isn’t bold to go on the street. Bold is defying societies rules and norms. Criminals and homeless people are bold, but maybe in a bad way

Not understanding what love is

Then what is love

What the sigma
Another meaningless label

It’s really not
Great art, conquerors, great leaders, great scientists, these matter

 

[choripan]

Huh?
Someone who leaves society and is self sufficient lives outside the system
Fairly obvious
Those at the top of the system conquered it
People who changed the world, scientists, world leaders, even artists

Again inventors, scientists, great people

Someone who leaves society and is self sufficient will live without his social needs being fulfilled so he didn't beat the system he's suffering to avoid another "suffering"
People at the top of the system still need to discuss, negotiate and even fight with others. No one managed to have all world power

Yes if his objective is being a singer it’s ambitious
Of course, art is the greatest expression of humanity
No an autistic person isn’t bold to go on the street. Bold is defying societies rules and norms. Criminals and homeless people are bold, but maybe in a bad way

An artist is not opposing society, but reflecting it on its art. Your labels are contrary

Then what is love

Support someone in its life path. Depending the love label the support works different. In a relationship love, the path is one and both people go along together.

It’s really not
Great art, conquerors, great leaders, great scientists, these matter

Artist only reflect society they don't change it
No conqueror achieved world domination so he was at controlled by the others powers around him
Same with leaders
Scientist die ignored and their memory is mostly forgotten.

Greatness is a lie invented by the media, humans are not meant to be great.

 

[cake]

Artist only reflect society they don't change it
No conqueror achieved world domination so he was at controlled by the others powers around him
Same with leaders
Scientist die ignored and their memory is mostly forgotten.

Greatness is a lie invented by the media, humans are not meant to be great.

Yeah bro I guess all the scientists that led to us using this technology and medicine that saved lives were useless

I guess the leaders and philosophers that made systems that help us run countries in mass scale are useless

yeah bro, humans aren’t meant to be great, that’s why we built great civilizations while monkeys shit in bushes

I guess artists that define generations with their media are useless

But you loving some ugly fat slut is the most beautiful thing in the world

Whatever
Not gonna engage in this anymore because you clearly aren’t arguing in good faith
Don’t know why you care so much if I approve of your life choices or not anyway, jfl

 

[cake]

An artist is not opposing society, but reflecting it on its art. Your labels are contrary.

Also this is blatantly false jfl, so many artists have run contrary to society and been the forefront of popular movements

You realize so many historical revolutions that changed society coincided with art?
Art is the greatest representation of human efforts because it’s above all our instinctual desires and purely a representation of the need to create. Aka what has gotten us so far. It inspires emotion in people. And what inspires emotion inspires movement

 

[choripan]

Yeah bro I guess all the scientists that led to us using this technology and medicine that saved lives were useless

I guess the leaders and philosophers that made systems that help us run countries in mass scale are useless

yeah bro, humans aren’t meant to be great, that’s why we built great civilizations while monkeys shit in bushes

I guess artists that define generations with their media are useless

But you loving some ugly fat slut is the most beautiful thing in the world

Whatever
Not gonna engage in this anymore because you clearly aren’t arguing in good faith
Don’t know why you care so much if I approve of your life choices or not anyway, jfl

I was arguing your point about what is valuable and what is not and using your own view to mark its absurd. If you can't see the contradiction in your view idk what to say
new contradiction: people who build system deserve respect, but people who try escape it too? Also to get the "great name" you see in history books you need a whole of people behind that directly or indirectly helped for this person to do an important change be done. But as I said, everyone will be forgotten, so your main point of "only memorable people are useful" remains contradictory to all you said
And I'm not seeking your approval it's just that your mindset feels built by little dark age edits and it feels weird

Also this is blatantly false jfl, so many artists have run contrary to society and been the forefront of popular movements

You realize so many historical revolutions that changed society coincided with art?
Art is the greatest representation of human efforts because it’s above all our instinctual desires and purely a representation of the need to create. Aka what has gotten us so far. It inspires emotion in people. And what inspires emotion inspires movement

You don't know how artist work function
All art represents the society state: peak, and downfall. Ascension of society is a mix of downfall and peak society art value. "Revolutionary" art only exits in downfall periods
the work of artist is to represent the power and its position towards it, plus a dialectics between individual and society and their own sublimate desires (marked by their society)

 

[cake]

I was arguing your point about what is valuable and what is not and using your own view to mark its absurd.

Not really
We all have our own views
My view defines the world for me. Same with yours. I don’t respect you of course, but so what? Of course that’ll happen with a difference of values. I’m sure you don’t respect pedophiles or murderers. How you view them is how I view people like you, although I don’t hate or want to hurt you

If you can't see the contradiction in your view idk what to say
new contradiction: people who build system deserve respect, but people who try escape it too? Also to get the "great name" you see in history books you need a whole of people behind that directly or indirectly helped for this person to do an important change be done. But as I said, everyone will be forgotten, so your main point of "only memorable people are useful" remains contradictory to all you said
And I'm not seeking your approval it's just that your mindset feels built by little dark age edits and it feels weird

It’s not about memorable. And it’s not about little dark age it’s how I’ve thought since I was a kid. You’re the one with a million edits saved

As long as I can remember I thought this: I will change the world, if I don’t, I’m a subhuman and will kill myself

I don’t necessarily like people who avoid society but I can respect it more than some drone slave. I respect independence. And I like that they escaped brainwashing

I don’t care if the books remember me. I care about actually doing it.

You don't know how artist work function
All art represents the society state: peak, and downfall. Ascension of society is a mix of downfall and peak society art value. "Revolutionary" art only exits in downfall periods
the work of artist is to represent the power and its position towards it, plus a dialectics between individual and society and their own sublimate desires (marked by their society)

There’s counter culture and mainstream art regardless of the period. Nazi artists right now are rebelling against the culture, regardless of wether you agree with them or not

The work of an artist is simply to create. Whether that has value you can say is subjective.

 

[cake]

I was arguing your point about what is valuable and what is not and using your own view to mark its absurd. If you can't see the contradiction in your view idk what to say
new contradiction: people who build system deserve respect, but people who try escape it too? Also to get the "great name" you see in history books you need a whole of people behind that directly or indirectly helped for this person to do an important change be done. But as I said, everyone will be forgotten, so your main point of "only memorable people are useful" remains contradictory to all you said
And I'm not seeking your approval it's just that your mindset feels built by little dark age edits and it feels weird

You don't know how artist work function
All art represents the society state: peak, and downfall. Ascension of society is a mix of downfall and peak society art value. "Revolutionary" art only exits in downfall periods
the work of artist is to represent the power and its position towards it, plus a dialectics between individual and society and their own sublimate desires (marked by their society)

Also the need for supporters will decline as technology and AI progresses, when that happens everyone besides the great few will become more and more worthless. It’s already happened over the last 100 years

 

[Whitepill]

3 pages is insane

 

[cake]

Not really
We all have our own views
My view defines the world for me. Same with yours. I don’t respect you of course, but so what? Of course that’ll happen with a difference of values. I’m sure you don’t respect pedophiles or murderers. How you view them is how I view people like you, although I don’t hate or want to hurt you

It’s not about memorable. And it’s not about little dark age it’s how I’ve thought since I was a kid. You’re the one with a million edits saved

As long as I can remember I thought this: I will change the world, if I don’t, I’m a subhuman and will kill myself

I don’t necessarily like people who avoid society but I can respect it more than some drone slave. I respect independence. And I like that they escaped brainwashing

I don’t care if the books remember me. I care about actually doing it.

There’s counter culture and mainstream art regardless of the period. Nazi artists right now are rebelling against the culture, regardless of wether you agree with them or not

The work of an artist is simply to create. Whether that has value you can say is subjective.

Its like I mentioned before. I respect people that defy others.
If that's being a criminal or a homeless person, it's fine to me. At least it says you have your own will.

Those with their own dreams, and those with their own wills are who I respect. I don't respect those who just go along with what's set for them

I definitely do think the average muh homesteader is a loser though, maybe that's your confusion, I respect people like sv3rige

 

[rand anon]

3 pages is insane

Bumps bumps and more bumps

 

[choripan]

Not really
We all have our own views
My view defines the world for me. Same with yours. I don’t respect you of course, but so what? Of course that’ll happen with a difference of values. I’m sure you don’t respect pedophiles or murderers. How you view them is how I view people like you, although I don’t hate or want to hurt you

I do respect you it's just sounds off because of the contradictions

It’s not about memorable. And it’s not about little dark age it’s how I’ve thought since I was a kid. You’re the one with a million edits saved

Funny edits make me smile

As long as I can remember I thought this: I will change the world, if I don’t, I’m a subhuman and will kill myself

How old are you?

I don’t necessarily like people who avoid society but I can respect it more than some drone slave. I respect independence. And I like that they escaped brainwashing

Makes more sense

I don’t care if the books remember me. I care about actually doing it.

New contradiction: what is memorable enough, and what value memory of people has on you? You don't set parameters and just use labels

There’s counter culture and mainstream art regardless of the period. Nazi artists right now are rebelling against the culture, regardless of wether you agree with them or not

Counter culture express their position towards the power, in their case, being against it

The work of an artist is simply to create. Whether that has value you can say is subjective.

Is to reflect the reality
And the subjectiveness comes with your confusing labels

 

[choripan]

Its like I mentioned before. I respect people that defy others.
If that's being a criminal or a homeless person, it's fine to me. At least it says you have your own will.

Those with their own dreams, and those with their own wills are who I respect. I don't respect those who just go along with what's set for them

No one has anything set for them, and free will nowadays is a tricky phrase. The power learnt to divide opinions in two sides and have presence in both. Only free people are rapist, murderers, cannibalism, and mentally ill people, since they are not functional and they damage functional citizens

I definitely do think the average muh homesteader is a loser though, maybe that's your confusion, I respect people like sv3rige

My English limits me to know homesteaders meaning and I don't know who sv3rige is