discrepancies between male & female ideals

[toriakaravchuk]

I am looking to start a discussion regarding why there is less of an emphasis on conventional looksmaxxing for women.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, no hate intended...

When placed in the context of social media and modelling, men have more diverse features and can still be found attractive as they are... women considered attractive are more copy + paste with the same makeup looks, nails, lashes, BBL, Photoshop, whatever. There seems a lot more emphasis on our having a specific and/or uniform appearance.

Looksmaxxing is clearly a more male-dominated field. For women, I don't believe bone structure, body proportions etc. are placed in as high regard as with men, and softer features are sometimes found permissible in contrast to their defined counterparts. We're also more susceptible to fall victim to (excessive) use of makeup - which men aren't encouraged to do - and plastic surgery to mask imperfections. This leaves me wondering if there is any point in trying to change ourselves as we are; it doesn't sit well with me that you can 'fake it til you make it', but your children will still inherit the genetic traits you were born with. If they are exposed to the same environmental and physiological factors, they will also be likely to develop the same deficits e.g. recessed chin due to prolonged mouth breathing. You will still have the same face you were born with - but what does it matter if you age when you can cover it all anyway?

Shouldn't we encourage women to also correct their lifestyle postures and implement self-care activities, instead of hiding their imperfections?
Why is the emphasis on looking like duplicates of each other for women, but making the most of what you look like as a man?
What happened to appreciating authenticity in the midst of a multi-billion dollar cosmetics industry?

 

[Nihilus]

interesting point
when you look back at why looksmaxxing started , it originated as a way for incels to improve their appearance and have a chance in the hypergamous dating scene
an average man will have a hard time dating while an average women will be flooded by attention

plastic surgery to mask imperfections

plastic surgery fixes imperfections

women considered attractive are more copy + paste with the same makeup looks, nails, lashes, BBL, Photoshop, whatever. There seems a lot more emphasis on our having a specific and/or uniform appearance.

beauty standards are 70% biologic and 30% cultural : wide hips , hooded eyes , strong dentofacial development , healthy skin all these are indicators that show that the women in question is healthy and have good genes

but your children will still inherit the genetic traits you were born with. If they are exposed to the same environmental and physiological factors, they will also be likely to develop the same deficits

becoming more attractive will attract better looking partners , thus having better genes for your kids

 

[toriakaravchuk]

interesting point
when you look back at why looksmaxxing started , it originated as a way for incels to improve their appearance and have a chance in the hypergamous dating scene
an average man will have a hard time dating while an average women will be flooded by attention

plastic surgery fixes imperfections

beauty standards are 70% biologic and 30% cultural : wide hips , hooded eyes , strong dentofacial development , healthy skin all these are indicators that show that the women in question is healthy and have good genes

becoming more attractive will attract better looking partners , thus having better genes for your kids

thank you for these insights
the concept of hypergamy, iirc, is that women date up and across in hierarchy? while they may get more attention, i'd say it's more difficult for a successful/good looking woman to find such a suitable partner amidst the average man.
clearly poor word choice on my behalf re: plastic surgery.
hooded eyes are interesting as I thought this was a typically masculine feature and make you look less 'innocent' which is associated with femininity. wide hips I'm assuming would be in appropriate proportion to the waist, and a bust of a similar size? or objectively large measurements?
your last point brings me back to whether augmentative measures like cosmetics contribute to the concept of 'attractiveness', which is debatable in itself.

 

[Nihilus]

wide hips

indicator that the women can bare a child
as the evolution of humans happened those indicators evolved with us

 

[the MOUSE]

I am looking to start a discussion regarding why there is less of an emphasis on conventional looksmaxxing for women.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, no hate intended...

When placed in the context of social media and modelling, men have more diverse features and can still be found attractive as they are... women considered attractive are more copy + paste with the same makeup looks, nails, lashes, BBL, Photoshop, whatever. There seems a lot more emphasis on our having a specific and/or uniform appearance.

Looksmaxxing is clearly a more male-dominated field. For women, I don't believe bone structure, body proportions etc. are placed in as high regard as with men, and softer features are sometimes found permissible in contrast to their defined counterparts. We're also more susceptible to fall victim to (excessive) use of makeup - which men aren't encouraged to do - and plastic surgery to mask imperfections. This leaves me wondering if there is any point in trying to change ourselves as we are; it doesn't sit well with me that you can 'fake it til you make it', but your children will still inherit the genetic traits you were born with. If they are exposed to the same environmental and physiological factors, they will also be likely to develop the same deficits e.g. recessed chin due to prolonged mouth breathing. You will still have the same face you were born with - but what does it matter if you age when you can cover it all anyway?

Shouldn't we encourage women to also correct their lifestyle postures and implement self-care activities, instead of hiding their imperfections?
Why is the emphasis on looking like duplicates of each other for women, but making the most of what you look like as a man?
What happened to appreciating authenticity in the midst of a multi-billion dollar cosmetics industry?

dnrd a single molecule tbh but u from Aus?

 

[Nihilus]

dnrd a single molecule tbh but u from Aus?

why do you act like someone who never saw a women before
this behavior will get you banned

 

[Dean]

I am looking to start a discussion regarding why there is less of an emphasis on conventional looksmaxxing for women.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, no hate intended...

When placed in the context of social media and modelling, men have more diverse features and can still be found attractive as they are... women considered attractive are more copy + paste with the same makeup looks, nails, lashes, BBL, Photoshop, whatever. There seems a lot more emphasis on our having a specific and/or uniform appearance.

Looksmaxxing is clearly a more male-dominated field. For women, I don't believe bone structure, body proportions etc. are placed in as high regard as with men, and softer features are sometimes found permissible in contrast to their defined counterparts. We're also more susceptible to fall victim to (excessive) use of makeup - which men aren't encouraged to do - and plastic surgery to mask imperfections. This leaves me wondering if there is any point in trying to change ourselves as we are; it doesn't sit well with me that you can 'fake it til you make it', but your children will still inherit the genetic traits you were born with. If they are exposed to the same environmental and physiological factors, they will also be likely to develop the same deficits e.g. recessed chin due to prolonged mouth breathing. You will still have the same face you were born with - but what does it matter if you age when you can cover it all anyway?

Shouldn't we encourage women to also correct their lifestyle postures and implement self-care activities, instead of hiding their imperfections?
Why is the emphasis on looking like duplicates of each other for women, but making the most of what you look like as a man?
What happened to appreciating authenticity in the midst of a multi-billion dollar cosmetics industry?

this is a good talking point @toriakaravchuk

 

[notnilesh]

I agree, good thread, keep it up

 

[sexlesstosexles]

I am looking to start a discussion regarding why there is less of an emphasis on conventional looksmaxxing for women.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, no hate intended...

When placed in the context of social media and modelling, men have more diverse features and can still be found attractive as they are... women considered attractive are more copy + paste with the same makeup looks, nails, lashes, BBL, Photoshop, whatever. There seems a lot more emphasis on our having a specific and/or uniform appearance.

Looksmaxxing is clearly a more male-dominated field. For women, I don't believe bone structure, body proportions etc. are placed in as high regard as with men, and softer features are sometimes found permissible in contrast to their defined counterparts. We're also more susceptible to fall victim to (excessive) use of makeup - which men aren't encouraged to do - and plastic surgery to mask imperfections. This leaves me wondering if there is any point in trying to change ourselves as we are; it doesn't sit well with me that you can 'fake it til you make it', but your children will still inherit the genetic traits you were born with. If they are exposed to the same environmental and physiological factors, they will also be likely to develop the same deficits e.g. recessed chin due to prolonged mouth breathing. You will still have the same face you were born with - but what does it matter if you age when you can cover it all anyway?

Shouldn't we encourage women to also correct their lifestyle postures and implement self-care activities, instead of hiding their imperfections?
Why is the emphasis on looking like duplicates of each other for women, but making the most of what you look like as a man?
What happened to appreciating authenticity in the midst of a multi-billion dollar cosmetics industry?

seems the opposite, all men must be chads in order to be models.

and a woman can be obese and 2/10 and will get a bunch of men to simp for her without even trying

 

[sexlesstosexles]

beauty standards are 70% biologic and 30% cultural : wide hips , hooded eyes , strong dentofacial development , healthy skin all these are indicators that show that the women in question is healthy and have good genes

think the wide hips is less about childbirthing and more about form complementing function

i have a theory that most sexual arousal is non-reproductive

wide hips imply something to hold onto during sex, without widehips implies the orifice is not purposed for sex

wide hips also provide a symmetry complementing the shoulders.

 

[Deleted Member 30141]

think the wide hips is less about childbirthing and more about form complementing function

i have a theory that most sexual arousal is non-reproductive

wide hips imply something to hold onto during sex, without widehips implies the orifice is not purposed for sex

wide hips also provide a symmetry complementing the shoulders.

what about gay mfs, men typically have smaller hips
and gay stuff is non-reproductive as you said

 

[sexlesstosexles]

what about gay mfs, men typically have smaller hips
and gay stuff is non-reproductive as you said

i dont identify as gay, but when browsing porns i was unable to get hard at women porns, i could only get an erection from male asses. but the male had wide hips

so i think beauty is objective. wide hips are objective.

there might be gays that fap to men with non aesthetic asses. For instance i seen some cis women who have asses that look almost like a man's ass and probably some straight men fap to that. and gays might have a different story from me. maybe i couldn't get hard because im blackpilled and feel hypergamy is unfair. a gay thats bluepilled might have a different story, maybe its purely hormonal for them. But i dont understand the aesthetic appeal of this shape for fucking:

this is a geometrically simplified "masculine man" back profile:

i dont understand how anyone can look at this and get hard and decide they want to fuck this. All the geometrical implications seems its not geometrically optimized for that. graphics design theory, the ass looks small and weak and your eyes move more towards their trapezius.

they weren't designed to be fucked. masculine men approach women and women get approached by masculine men. women are penetrated by men. Most of the men that get a woman with a dildo in them are feminine, crossdressers, femboys, twinks etc.

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

think the wide hips is less about childbirthing and more about form complementing function

i have a theory that most sexual arousal is non-reproductive

wide hips imply something to hold onto during sex, without widehips implies the orifice is not purposed for sex

wide hips also provide a symmetry complementing the shoulders.

Wide hips helps in passing children out of thier body since there is more space between wider hips the baby pops out easy

 

[Deleted Member 30141]

i dont identify as gay, but when browsing porns i was unable to get hard at women porns, i could only get an erection from male asses. but the male had wide hips

so i think beauty is objective. wide hips are objective.

there might be gays that fap to men with non aesthetic asses. For instance i seen some cis women who have asses that look almost like a man's ass and probably some straight men fap to that. and gays might have a different story from me. maybe i couldn't get hard because im blackpilled and feel hypergamy is unfair. a gay thats bluepilled might have a different story, maybe its purely hormonal for them. But i dont understand the aesthetic appeal of this shape for f*****g:

this is a geometrically simplified "masculine man" back profile:
View attachment 30152
i dont understand how anyone can look at this and get hard and decide they want to f**k this. All the geometrical implications seems its not geometrically optimized for that. graphics design theory, the ass looks small and weak and your eyes move more towards their trapezius.

they weren't designed to be f****d. masculine men approach women and women get approached by masculine men. women are penetrated by men. Most of the men that get a woman with a dildo in them are feminine, crossdressers, femboys, twinks etc.

Yeah masculine ass is not attractive imo
When I see gay porn I don’t get it, unless its a femboy with wide hips
But srs. Sexual selection happens with the gender that expends more energy, so in humans it is the female (like most species). So it would not make as much sense for males to be sexually selecting for wide hips when it is women that sexually select for masculine features. It is the 99% of the time women that dictate the gene pool

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK]

Yeah masculine ass is not attractive imo
When I see gay porn I don’t get it, unless its a femboy with wide hips
But srs. Sexual selection happens with the gender that expends more energy, so in humans it is the female (like most species). So it would not make as much sense for males to be sexually selecting for wide hips when it is women that sexually select for masculine features. It is the 99% of the time women that dictate the gene pool

Y would you guys watch gay porn in the first place i mean u k its faggoty

 

[Deleted Member 30141]

Y would you guys watch gay porn in the first place i mean u k its faggoty

I was interested and also very porn addicted and desensitized and desperate
Now i dont watch any porn

 

[Whitepill]

why do you act like someone who never saw a women before
this behavior will get you banned

He didn’t get banned yet

 

[Deleted Member 30141]

think the wide hips is less about childbirthing and more about form complementing function

i have a theory that most sexual arousal is non-reproductive

wide hips imply something to hold onto during sex, without widehips implies the orifice is not purposed for sex

wide hips also provide a symmetry complementing the shoulders.

Was thinking about this for a while. While I argued that women dictate the gene pool 99% of the time, I realized there is another point to the argument.
You said that wide hips are good for something to hold onto during sex, but the structure of hip dips makes more sense, there is a groove between the bones that fit hands.

However, hip dips are typically regarded as unattractive, although they provide the best grip.
So my 3 main arguments are:
-Wide hips are for child rearing (mortality is lower during birth)
-Women dictate the gene pool 99% of the time
-Hip dips provide best grip but are unattractive most of the time

 

[tami_26]

Was thinking about this for a while. While I argued that women dictate the gene pool 99% of the time, I realized there is another point to the argument.
You said that wide hips are good for something to hold onto during sex, but the structure of hip dips makes more sense, there is a groove between the bones that fit hands.
View attachment 30379
However, hip dips are typically regarded as unattractive, although they provide the best grip.
So my 3 main arguments are:
-Wide hips are for child rearing (mortality is lower during birth)
-Women dictate the gene pool 99% of the time
-Hip dips provide best grip but are unattractive most of the time

hip dips = smaller hips and possibly looks bony
I think tho the hipdips may not b biological but a beauty standard BCS it opposes the perfect hourglass shape

 

[Deleted Member 30141]

hip dips = smaller hips and possibly looks bony
I think tho the hipdips may not b biological but a beauty standard BCS it opposes the perfect hourglass shape

Do you think it is attractive tho? And in general as well

 

[tami_26]

Do you think it is attractive tho? And in general as well

depends but generally would say no hip dips look better but I could really just b brainwashed by current beauty standards which invokes bbls (most women have hipdips to some degree) and plastic surgery (a luke-warm take).What about you?

 

[Deleted Member 30141]

depends but generally would say no hip dips look better but I could really just b brainwashed by current beauty standards which invokes bbls (most women have hipdips to some degree) and plastic surgery (a luke-warm take).What about you?

I dont really like hip dips it looks strange ive never really seen it until someone told me of it

 

[tami_26]

I dont really like hip dips it looks strange ive never really seen it until someone told me of it

it can b kinda hard to tell with clothes on,as quite a bit of women have it but its not as extreme as the pic

 

[Deleted Member 30141]

it can b kinda hard to tell with clothes on,as quite a bit of women have it but its not as extreme as the pic

As long as its not extreme ig

 

[tami_26]

As long as its not extreme ig

yh tbf wide high hips r ideal

 

[N9wiff ⋆｡°✩]

When I see gay porn I don’t get it, unless its a femboy with wide hips

true

 

[N9wiff ⋆｡°✩]

I dont find big hips/ass attractive. Same with breasts

 

[Jova]

i dont identify as gay, but when browsing porns i was unable to get hard at women porns, i could only get an erection from male asses. but the male had wide hips

so i think beauty is objective. wide hips are objective.

there might be gays that fap to men with non aesthetic asses. For instance i seen some cis women who have asses that look almost like a man's ass and probably some straight men fap to that. and gays might have a different story from me. maybe i couldn't get hard because im blackpilled and feel hypergamy is unfair. a gay thats bluepilled might have a different story, maybe its purely hormonal for them. But i dont understand the aesthetic appeal of this shape for f*****g:

this is a geometrically simplified "masculine man" back profile:
View attachment 30152
i dont understand how anyone can look at this and get hard and decide they want to f**k this. All the geometrical implications seems its not geometrically optimized for that. graphics design theory, the ass looks small and weak and your eyes move more towards their trapezius.

they weren't designed to be f****d. masculine men approach women and women get approached by masculine men. women are penetrated by men. Most of the men that get a woman with a dildo in them are feminine, crossdressers, femboys, twinks etc.

WDYM a male with an aesthetic ass