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None of that fucking bullshit works for growing actual bone. You can't fix skeletal recession or create bone mass via bonesmashing, thumbpulling and zygopushing. Big maximum it can do is for bonesmashing to create swelling and for thumbpulling to push your front teeth forward and fuck up your teeth misalignment. TLDR it's cope.
You should be banned for spreading misinformation @Nbernical @snow @trueceljester
So you believe in tb bcs of Wolff's law but not bs when it uses the same law to support it?
Yeah but you sacrifice girth for length so you gotta be careful or else you'll end up with a spaghetti.
"It works because I want it to believe it works. I can't accept to face the truth I've been doing some retarded non-scientific bs I saw from frauding from influencers."
That's why u dicksmash for girth, grey.
Yeah definitely have to watch out with it
bs needs a subperiostic hematoma, needs mineralization and a thousand more things to work, so by probability it wont work.
@Nbernical this guy is still comparing thumbpulling to mse
Shut up, some retarded f****t on .com said thumb pulling works so it works
Yes, let's just ignore the professional opinion of orthodontists and bone specialist because you want a cheap solution to fix your maxilla.
Do so
No, you do so. I've never stated that TP is a scientific-prooved theory, but you do say (tacitly) that it's been already disprooven by specialists or experts in the science, therefore; its on you to quote your "experts"
Actual argument : There's no fucking scientific evidence it works, all your "proof" is pseudoscience bullshit. @Nbernical and @Marlonmogsyouhaha already explained to you how a MSE is a billion times more efficient than that retarded bullshit, Nbernical himself got an MSE and made a thread on its efficiency (which is supported with professional evidence). I gave you one chance to support your claims that thumbpulling is actually supported by a professional on the subject and you went into some retarded faggoted deconstruction of my "arguments" when you know damn well your "proof" is pseudoscience bullshit. If you're retarded then you're retarded, it's an observation not an ad hominem.
Also simple argument on why it's bullshit :
I've already stated in many posts that MSE is more efficient that TP, also i've encouraged other users to get an MSE over doing thumbpulling. also quotting other users to proove your point is still ad verecundiam and its low iq imo
then quote an actual expert, not nbernical from looksmaxxing.com LOOOL (no offense berni)
According to Blake Speaks who I believe to be one of the only looksmaxxers on YouTube that actually tells the truth, he believes it does work, and that people are overly harsh or even jump to conclusions when judging people like Oscar Patel
Blake spe
its pretty spec to be honest… but I don’t think we should trust those that act as though they have achieved natural ascensions that are simply impossible any more than we believe those like Oscar Patel… or we could choose to be open to the idea of both being possible until proven false
"Thumbpulling, while low-cost and accessible, isn’t without its detractors. Many experts in orthodontics remain skeptical, arguing that the forces generated by thumbpulling are unlikely to match the sustained pressure delivered by conventional devices. There are also concerns about the potential for unintended consequences, such as dental misalignment or undue stress on oral tissues. Users are urged to proceed with caution and to consider professional guidance before embarking on any self-administered regimen.
Well, you´re right, theres no scientific backup, but i did do a literature review, i quoted known scientific researches (understanding science as something with a study method and an object) to prove my point, i did not bring new experiments because i lack of the resources, but i did it based on hypothesis and based on what we know about mse and the maxilar remodelation.
how do u know its unsafe if theres no scientific research on that
it is, but that doesnt mean tp is bs lol
Soooooo there's no proof it works ? LM always has been about looking for viable and scientific ways to improve your appearance, not doing anything blindly out of desperation. Maxillary growth is near impossible at adulthood, else you'll need surgery.
Hmmm logically I don't think sticking your fingers in your mouth and pressing against it is particularly safe
it can especially fuck up your teeth which aren't as well placed as the rest of your skull.If thumbpulling isn't bs why isn't there any research on it and only been heard of in recent years ? I'm open to any improvements in the scientific domain that may help people improve their appearance but something that is pretty much well established as maxillary expansion has known its limits. Since it has no scientific backbone you shouldn't recommend it to anyone or defend it as truth, especially on looksmaxxing questions. If you want to keep thumbpulling I couldn't give less of a fuck.
none of that works
well, as i said earlier, theres no real argument here, he´s just saying "many experts", doesnt bring any new information that could disproof that tp doesnt work. Once again ad verecundiam, saying that im a doctor doesnt give me the reason when i say bonesmashing works
Also, i dont know any expert that says thumbpulling works, lol, i was trying to get you to a no exit
yeah u dont do tp when u are an adult, im a teenager so my sutures are not closed. but maxilarry expansors work even if your maxilla is already fused.
you wont mess up your teeth if u do it correctly, just look at any tp methodHmmm logically I don't think sticking your fingers in your mouth and pressing against it is particularly safe
orthodontiscts dont care about tp they got better things to do lol, but you see scientific research doesnt mean everything
Caged, instead of following logic and science just do whatever you can do out of desperation.
So you won't fuck up your teeth by pulling apart your maxilla, where you touch your teeth and if you touch your teeth w force youll get flaring
Why does it work boyo
Give me solid evidence that it works
So my argument starts with the MSE device (Maxillary skeletal expander), which is a device that will expand your maxilla, as the name says. The way it works, is by putting a device in the roof of your mouth (the palate) attached to your mollars and premollars, then u have to put a tiny screw into the device and pull it, that is gonna apply pushing force (about 10-20 pounds (4.5–9.1 kilograms) per side, or 20-40 total. But can make up to 50-100 pounds (22.7–45.4 kilograms) if the sutures not open), Isaacson & Ingram (1964, Angle Orthodontist), Lee et al. (2016, Korean Journal of Orthodontics) And the force applied is NOT continouos, its just a burst of force applied, and then gradually decreases as tissue adapts. Even tho, towards the last phase of the MSE the device does use a passive retention force (2-4 pounds(1kg-1.8kg) after some hours, 0.1-1 pound(0.0445kg, 0.5kg) a day or two after) , its a force lower than the active force (the one that uses a screw).
If an mse uses 20 lbs of force and since you won't be pulling max force ur getting max 10 lbs, nothing holds ur maxilla in place so if it did hypothetically move it'll go back to its original form, even if u do it 10 times a day while you're asleep it'll just go back to its original form, so ur realistically not gonna have the time or force to actually expand ur maxilla
