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how can i get to mtb / hmtb?

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hi sorry im very new to this forum! how can i get to (preferably) hmtb?
also pls tips for side profile im so cooked
im 160cm, around 54kg and i have visible ab definition (my obliques are very defined and my upper abs are a little visible)
i like my figure so is there some way to improve my jawline without weightloss </3
no makeup in the video i only have literally a line on my nose from bronzer
 

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hi sorry im very new to this forum! how can i get to (preferably) hmtb?
also pls tips for side profile im so cooked
im 160cm, around 54kg and i have visible ab definition (my obliques are very defined and my upper abs are a little visible)
i like my figure so is there some way to improve my jawline without weightloss </3
no makeup in the video i only have literally a line on my nose from bronzer
hi lia, how old are you?, as well i don't think weight loss affects your jaw or any specific inquiriy in regards to it,
you seem to already have braces, so ask your dentist he would have a plan to fix that and to move your jaw in front. otherwise you don't seem to be cooked you look average.
kind regards
2R0I2P0
 
hi lia, how old are you, as well i don't think weight loss affects your jaw or any specific inquiriy in regards to it,
you seem to already have braces, so ask your dentist he would have a plan to fix that and to move your jaw in front. otherwise you don't seem to be cooked you look average.
kind regards
2R0I2P0
hi!! thank you so much for your answer!
regarding the video i dont have braces yet and i have a chipped tooth :,). im still very young (almost 14) and my parents are planning to get me braces and fix my tooth later in my teenage years so they dont shift again in my adult years. Also the video is kinda old i used to weigh around 60kg and rn im 54kg (im still cutting but just to 52kg) so my face looks a bit more chubby but it was the only video i have with no makeup. Also is it possible for me to become lhtb in my early teenage years?
 
You Look young focus on a good diet and habits. Hylauronic acid and vollufiline for lips, grow lashes and skincare (you probably do already but just in case)
hi! thank you for the advice! i just started skincare recently and my face is clearing up now (i still breakout due to hormones) but ill definitely look into vollufiline since i dont really know what it is :,,,)
 
hi! sorry but please give honest opinions and advice :,) i have a lot of flaws right now and fake compliments do more damage than good. <3
don't worry little one, you don't have that much flaws

growing is going to get rid of your baby fat, i actually do recommend that you bulk up as that's going to make you better physical health wise, as your body needs more energy to grow
 
don't worry little one, you don't have that much flaws

growing is going to get rid of your baby fat, i actually do recommend that you bulk up as that's going to make you better physical health wise, as your body needs more energy to grow
well my puberty actually started at a younger age (around 7) so im pretty sure that my body growth is not going to improve much more sadly. i started having body image issues at 10 y/o when i was pretty overweight (154cm, 64kg) and i lost about 5-7kg and i maintained that weight till june of this year. ive lost around 5-4kg. i have a calorie deficit (1000kcal, at least 90g protein a day) and i still practice sport (ive always been active even when i was overweight).

i only want to improve my looks so i can be fulfilled with myself :,)
i dont care about boys (especially my age) i have rejected multiple guys but its mostly cuz they lust over my body
i wanna be so pretty that it feels wrong to lust over me lol

sorry for the yapping
 
well my puberty actually started at a younger age (around 7) so im pretty sure that my body growth is not going to improve much more sadly. i started having body image issues at 10 y/o when i was pretty overweight (154cm, 64kg) and i lost about 5-7kg and i maintained that weight till june of this year. ive lost around 5-4kg. i have a calorie deficit (1000kcal, at least 90g protein a day) and i still practice sport (ive always been active even when i was overweight).

i only want to improve my looks so i can be fulfilled with myself :,)
i dont care about boys (especially my age) i have rejected multiple guys but its mostly cuz they lust over my body
i wanna be so pretty that it feels wrong to lust over me lol

sorry for the yapping
little girl im so sorry to hear that you developed so early.

seem's like you are situated, set your goals up and achieve them any inspo that you have ?
 
little girl im so sorry to hear that you developed so early.

seem's like you are situated, set your goals up and achieve them any inspo that you have ?
well theres not much i can really do - ive grown into most of my facial features :,)
i have a neutral (slightly negative depending on angle) canthal tilt, a slightly recessed jaw (will fix later in future) and maxilla, nose isnt ideal and i still have chubby cheeks.

im honestly not too insecure about my looks, im not deformed, i can breathe, eat and drink properly and thats whats most important.

about my body though id really want to get more lean in the future and focus on gaining muscle (though ill probably start gym at 14-15 after i reach my max height so i dont stunt my growth)

i am definitely still a bit chubby, but im not unhappy with myself, i just want to maximise myself

all my body inspos are women blessed with small ribcages so thats unachievable lol

my waist measurement is 24,5 inches (i dont have a small waist but rather a flat tummy)
 

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well theres not much i can really do - ive grown into most of my facial features :,)
i have a neutral (slightly negative depending on angle) canthal tilt, a slightly recessed jaw (will fix later in future) and maxilla, nose isnt ideal and i still have chubby cheeks.

im honestly not too insecure about my looks, im not deformed, i can breathe, eat and drink properly and thats whats most important.

about my body though id really want to get more lean in the future and focus on gaining muscle (though ill probably start gym at 14-15 after i reach my max height so i dont stunt my growth)

i am definitely still a bit chubby, but im not unhappy with myself, i just want to maximise myself

all my body inspos are women blessed with small ribcages so thats unachievable lol

my waist measurement is 24,5 inches (i dont have a small waist but rather a flat tummy)
btw this is me with makeup (theres 4 months difference between the videos, i grew out my eyebrows and theres different lighting [ first video has tan lightning ])
 

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well theres not much i can really do - ive grown into most of my facial features :,)
i have a neutral (slightly negative depending on angle) canthal tilt, a slightly recessed jaw (will fix later in future) and maxilla, nose isnt ideal and i still have chubby cheeks.

im honestly not too insecure about my looks, im not deformed, i can breathe, eat and drink properly and thats whats most important.

about my body though id really want to get more lean in the future and focus on gaining muscle (though ill probably start gym at 14-15 after i reach my max height so i dont stunt my growth)

i am definitely still a bit chubby, but im not unhappy with myself, i just want to maximise myself

all my body inspos are women blessed with small ribcages so thats unachievable lol

my waist measurement is 24,5 inches (i dont have a small waist but rather a flat tummy)
My stupid ahh doesn't understand if this pics are yours or not
 
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Firstly, I wanna apologize because of the poorly drawn lines. I did this with my phone + your head is slightly tilted, but I think it shows well what I'm trying to say.
-eye area
Cathal tilt can't be changed. Since it's slightly you can try grow and then trim your brows to make them positively tilted and so it confused with your canthus. The Uppereyelid exposure has multiple ways to be dealt, I recommend you search guides. Growing eyelashes is always something that will benefit everyone so do it.
Skull shape:
Your face is oval thanks to the thinner outside fifths and the longer middle third. Having a shorter lower third for women is goated because it's more feminine. As well your jawline and Chin, look rounded, softer more feminine, but they do look with visibility, no double chin at all. The problem with your thirds is that they mess with symmetry. If you only had a slightly shorter lower third it would be cool, but the longer middle third is a problem. This has a name, and I forgot, but I will come back and edit it because I will search it after publishing this comment. Edit: it's fwrh
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Lighting is confusing, your zygos may be round or just weak. Anyways round jaw as I said before is good because femininity but your genial angle is confusing af. it's probably because of the jaw recession. I can see why you want to cut weight: that puffy overly round cheek. But if you have abs as a woman you are already pretty low on bf. I would say from your pics you are 14-15% bf (girls should have more bf than men, that's why men only get abs at around 10-12%) your bloating comes from recession + weak zygos (yes, as I wrote this I inclined into thinking your zygos are not rounded but weak)
How do you get solve bloated cheeks? Fixing jaw recession and water retention. With weak zygos you will (probably) never have hollowcheeks, unless you keep developing (with you said you probably wouldnt). Luckily you are a girl, and hollowcheeks are mandatory for men looks, optional for some types of women anesthetics.
Extras: good lips, good thin nose, side profile nose is also good tbh, colored eyes halos and good skin (I know I used your makeup vid but I also saw the one without makeup)
Additional notes: there are ortho treatment that fix your jaw by retracting maxilla. Be very aware of it, ask doctors, and investigate to get a good ortho treatment. I will tag a guy that knows in other comment so he doesn't have to read all this. Also don't forget the basic health stuff you need since you 14: eat healthy (try drinking milk) have good posture and some excersice
 
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Firstly, I wanna apologize because of the poorly drawn lines. I did this with my phone + your head is slightly tilted, but I think it shows well what I'm trying to say.
-eye area
Cathal tilt can't be changed. Since it's slightly you can try grow and then trim your brows to make them positively tilted and so it confused with your canthus. The Uppereyelid exposure has multiple ways to be dealt, I recommend you search guides. Growing eyelashes is always something that will benefit everyone so do it.
Skull shape:
Your face is oval thanks to the thinner outside fifths and the longer middle third. Having a shorter lower third for women is goated because it's more feminine. As well your jawline and Chin, look rounded, softer more feminine, but they do look with visibility, no double chin at all. The problem with your thirds is that they mess with symmetry. If you only had a slightly shorter lower third it would be cool, but the longer middle third is a problem. This has a name, and I forgot, but I will come back and edit it because I will search it after publishing this comment. Edit: it's fwrh
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Lighting is confusing, your zygos may be round or just weak. Anyways round jaw as I said before is good because femininity but your genial angle is confusing af. it's probably because of the jaw recession. I can see why you want to cut weight: that puffy overly round cheek. But if you have abs as a woman you are already pretty low on bf. I would say from your pics you are 14-15% bf (girls should have more bf than men, that's why men only get abs at around 10-12%) your bloating comes from recession + weak zygos (yes, as I wrote this I inclined into thinking your zygos are not rounded but weak)
How do you get solve bloated cheeks? Fixing jaw recession and water retention. With weak zygos you will (probably) never have hollowcheeks, unless you keep developing (with you said you probably wouldnt). Luckily you are a girl, and hollowcheeks are mandatory for men looks, optional for some types of women anesthetics.
Extras: good lips, good thin nose, side profile nose is also good tbh, colored eyes halos and good skin (I know I used your makeup vid but I also saw the one without makeup)
Additional notes: there are ortho treatment that fix your jaw by retracting maxilla. Be very aware of it, ask doctors, and investigate to get a good ortho treatment. I will tag a guy that knows in other comment so he doesn't have to read all this. Also don't forget the basic health stuff you need since you 14: eat healthy (try drinking milk) have good posture and some excersice
Watch this thread and look for others that talk about this
 
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Firstly, I wanna apologize because of the poorly drawn lines. I did this with my phone + your head is slightly tilted, but I think it shows well what I'm trying to say.
-eye area
Cathal tilt can't be changed. Since it's slightly you can try grow and then trim your brows to make them positively tilted and so it confused with your canthus. The Uppereyelid exposure has multiple ways to be dealt, I recommend you search guides. Growing eyelashes is always something that will benefit everyone so do it.
Skull shape:
Your face is oval thanks to the thinner outside fifths and the longer middle third. Having a shorter lower third for women is goated because it's more feminine. As well your jawline and Chin, look rounded, softer more feminine, but they do look with visibility, no double chin at all. The problem with your thirds is that they meww with symmetry. If you only had a slightly shorter lower third it would be cool, but the longer middle third is a problem. This has a name, and I forgot, but I will come back and edit it because I will search it after publishing this comment.
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Lighting is confusing, your zygos may be round or just weak. Anyways round jaw as I said before is good because femininity but your genial angle is confusing af. it's probably because of the jaw recession. I can see why you want to cut weight: that puffy overly round cheek. But if you have abs as a woman you are already pretty low on bf. I would say from your pics you are 14-15% bf (girls should have more bf than men, that's why men only get abs at around 10-12%) your bloating comes from recession + weak zygos (yes, as I wrote this I inclined into thinking your zygos are not rounded but weak)
How do you get solve bloated cheeks? Fixing jaw recession and water retention. With weak zygos you will (probably) never have hollowcheeks, unless you keep developing (with you said you probably wouldnt). Luckily you are a girl, and hollowcheeks are mandatory for men looks, optional for some types of women anesthetics.
Extras: good lips, good thin nose, side profile nose is also good tbh, colored eyes halos and good skin (I know I used your makeup vid but I also saw the one without makeup)
Additional notes: there are ortho treatment that fix your jaw by retracting maxilla. Be very aware of it, ask doctors, and investigate to get a good ortho treatment. I will tag a guy that knows in other comment so he doesn't have to read all this. Also don't forget the basic health stuff you need since you 14: eat healthy (try drinking milk) have good posture and some excersice
thank you so much for the answer and advice!
about my cheekbone visibility
i definitely have puffy cheeks (i try to cover it with my hair also is it possible that its baby fat? i heard some women go through a “second puberty” and their face+body changes a bit) and my mandible is indeed a bit recessed
if i fix my slight overbite, debloat and lose a bit more weight will they maybe become more prominent?


also about my recessed jaw -
its recessed because as a kid i used to suck on my thumb and it shifted my upper jaw and teeth so ill probably get braces next year

also how can i tell if i have weak / rounded zygos or if i just have puffy cheeks?
 
thank you so much for the answer and advice!
about my cheekbone visibility
i definitely have puffy cheeks (i try to cover it with my hair also is it possible that its baby fat? i heard some women go through a “second puberty” and their face+body changes a bit) and my mandible is indeed a bit recessed
if i fix my slight overbite, debloat and lose a bit more weight will they maybe become more prominent?
You lost all your weight already. Your abs are very visible. Also let's not forget your re still in development (with or without second puberty, body keeps developing until 20, just that it goes slower after the big puberty hit) so you need to be well fed
also about my recessed jaw -
its recessed because as a kid i used to suck on my thumb and it shifted my upper jaw and teeth so ill probably get braces next year
Make sure it doesn't recess your maxilla to fix it. It's a real ortho procedure you must avoid
also how can i tell if i have weak / rounded zygos or if i just have puffy cheeks?
Puffy cheeks are a thing that you have. Weak zygos could be a reason. Rounded zygos was something I wasn't sure you had but as I wrote down I really don't think that's the option
As I said, after fixing jaw recession and water retention you will loose the puffy cheeks but you won't have hollowcheeks unless zygos suddenly develop (or implants but tbh implanting zygos as a woman is stupid move)
you will end up with rounded (not puffy) cheeks and a very soft feminine appearance. If your goal was to have a dominatrix aesthetic I think it will be improbable (unless makeup towards that appeal)
 
You lost all your weight already. Your abs are very visible. Also let's not forget your re still in development (with or without second puberty, body keeps developing until 20, just that it goes slower after the big puberty hit) so you need to be well fed

Make sure it doesn't recess your maxilla to fix it. It's a real ortho procedure you must avoid

Puffy cheeks are a thing that you have. Weak zygos could be a reason. Rounded zygos was something I wasn't sure you had but as I wrote down I really don't think that's the option
As I said, after fixing jaw recession and water retention you will loose the puffy cheeks but you won't have hollowcheeks unless zygos suddenly develop (or implants but tbh implanting zygos as a woman is stupid move)
you will end up with rounded (not puffy) cheeks and a very soft feminine appearance. If your goal was to have a dominatrix aesthetic I think it will be improbable (unless makeup towards that appeal)
@TonyDr why am i getting a noti in this when i didnt get quoted
 
You lost all your weight already. Your abs are very visible. Also let's not forget your re still in development (with or without second puberty, body keeps developing until 20, just that it goes slower after the big puberty hit) so you need to be well fed

Make sure it doesn't recess your maxilla to fix it. It's a real ortho procedure you must avoid

Puffy cheeks are a thing that you have. Weak zygos could be a reason. Rounded zygos was something I wasn't sure you had but as I wrote down I really don't think that's the option
As I said, after fixing jaw recession and water retention you will loose the puffy cheeks but you won't have hollowcheeks unless zygos suddenly develop (or implants but tbh implanting zygos as a woman is stupid move)
you will end up with rounded (not puffy) cheeks and a very soft feminine appearance. If your goal was to have a dominatrix aesthetic I think it will be improbable (unless makeup towards that appeal)
alrightttt well thank you a lot this was really helpful and ill definitely take your advice!!!
also is it possible for me to reach lhtb if i fix the fixable (no surgery, fillers, implants) flaws i have?
again thank you sm !!
 
alrightttt well thank you a lot this was really helpful and ill definitely take your advice!!!
Good. Don't forget to read that thread and look at that guy profile too. He has good guides and he the goat. Also don't come to this site frequently once you get the info get away
also is it possible for me to reach lhtb if i fix the fixable (no surgery, fillers, implants) flaws i have?
I mean you are 14 so it's possible. You are mtb rn and have colored eyes halo
again thank you sm !!
don't worry. You reminded me when I was young so I wanted to tell you all you need to lock in and not fall into the negativity shithole
 
I forgot to add
Proper chewing and breathing through your nose is part of a habit that some people don't have even though it should naturally happen. If some of those happen to you, correct them consciously until it happens natural
"mewing" is just the natural proper tongue posture when resting, and "chewing" is just eating whole foods and take a little time to chew them instead of just swallow as fast as possible. Chew gums or mewing products are waste of money
 
I forgot to add
Proper chewing and breathing through your nose is part of a habit that some people don't have even though it should naturally happen. If some of those happen to you, correct them consciously until it happens natural
"mewing" is just the natural proper tongue posture when resting, and "chewing" is just eating whole foods and take a little time to chew them instead of just swallow as fast as possible. Chew gums or mewing products are waste of money
yup i started breathing through my nose and mewing sadly around 10 y/o (very late </3) and i started chewing thoroughly (till the food gets to a liquid consistency) recently this year
 
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Firstly, I wanna apologize because of the poorly drawn lines. I did this with my phone + your head is slightly tilted, but I think it shows well what I'm trying to say.
-eye area
Cathal tilt can't be changed. Since it's slightly you can try grow and then trim your brows to make them positively tilted and so it confused with your canthus. The Uppereyelid exposure has multiple ways to be dealt, I recommend you search guides. Growing eyelashes is always something that will benefit everyone so do it.
Skull shape:
Your face is oval thanks to the thinner outside fifths and the longer middle third. Having a shorter lower third for women is goated because it's more feminine. As well your jawline and Chin, look rounded, softer more feminine, but they do look with visibility, no double chin at all. The problem with your thirds is that they mess with symmetry. If you only had a slightly shorter lower third it would be cool, but the longer middle third is a problem. This has a name, and I forgot, but I will come back and edit it because I will search it after publishing this comment. Edit: it's fwrh
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Lighting is confusing, your zygos may be round or just weak. Anyways round jaw as I said before is good because femininity but your genial angle is confusing af. it's probably because of the jaw recession. I can see why you want to cut weight: that puffy overly round cheek. But if you have abs as a woman you are already pretty low on bf. I would say from your pics you are 14-15% bf (girls should have more bf than men, that's why men only get abs at around 10-12%) your bloating comes from recession + weak zygos (yes, as I wrote this I inclined into thinking your zygos are not rounded but weak)
How do you get solve bloated cheeks? Fixing jaw recession and water retention. With weak zygos you will (probably) never have hollowcheeks, unless you keep developing (with you said you probably wouldnt). Luckily you are a girl, and hollowcheeks are mandatory for men looks, optional for some types of women anesthetics.
Extras: good lips, good thin nose, side profile nose is also good tbh, colored eyes halos and good skin (I know I used your makeup vid but I also saw the one without makeup)
Additional notes: there are ortho treatment that fix your jaw by retracting maxilla. Be very aware of it, ask doctors, and investigate to get a good ortho treatment. I will tag a guy that knows in other comment so he doesn't have to read all this. Also don't forget the basic health stuff you need since you 14: eat healthy (try drinking milk) have good posture and some excersice
I think I have found the reason for my bloated face although I am not low bf as she is
 
You are 14-15 and you look good. I was chopped back then and now I get told I look good.

I don't think you'll achieve low htb without makeup but high mtb...why not?
 
Also...even tho you are very lean, I still think you have baby face even tho yours is not terrible. Mine was horror. You'll also grow into your features. You are still a child so don't stress. Just be healthy!
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I am talking about this part.

"your bloating comes from recession + weak zygos (yes, as I wrote this I inclined into thinking your zygos are not rounded but weak)
How do you get solve bloated cheeks? Fixing jaw recession and water retention. With weak zygos you will (probably) never have hollowcheeks, unless you keep developing (with you said you probably wouldnt)."
 
Also...even tho you are very lean, I still think you have baby face even tho yours is not terrible. Mine was horror. You'll also grow into your features. You are still a child so don't stress. Just be healthy!
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well idk how lean i am - i have visible abs but i still have fat on my legs (especially where my hams are) but thank you so much <3
also wow is that you in the picture?
 
@rand anon yooo can you tell this girl about what ortho treatments are safe and fix jaw recession without retracting maxilla?
She’s slightly recessed, but unless her bite is off I wouldn’t suggest any treatments. Especially ortho treatments since they shouldn’t be used to try to fix recession, imo

Genio would ascend her hard though, OP please don’t ever get filler :bongotap:
 
She’s slightly recessed, but unless her bite is off I wouldn’t suggest any treatments. Especially ortho treatments since they shouldn’t be used to try to fix recession, imo

Genio would ascend her hard though, OP please don’t ever get filler :bongotap:
my bite is slightly off thats why my dentist recommended to get braces :,)

although i do want to improve my looks i dont want to go through cosmetical surgeries or get fillers cuz it would definitely make me feel kinda fake (even if it means me staying chopped 🤞)
 

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