i will never understand how looksmaxxing communities exclude women

[internetbirth]

women are the original looksmaxxers this much we know yet somehow they are invalidated and framed as privileged perpetrators when truly they are the original victim.

i dont understand.

actually i do understand. any good sociological analysis will explain this irony well. its ironic .org and looksmaxxing as a whole has banned or marginalized women when thats literally our foremothers.

at the genesis of looksmaxxing is women.

 

[internetbirth]

sorry jus very upset about misogyny today

 

[fawngirl]

sorry jus very upset about misogyny today

it’s okay queen, i agree with u 100%

 

[Xx_Sh4tteredHe4rt_xX]

women are the original looksmaxxers this much we know yet somehow they are invalidated and framed as privileged perpetrators when truly they are the original victim.

i dont understand.

actually i do understand. any good sociological analysis will explain this irony well. its ironic .org and looksmaxxing as a whole has banned or marginalized women when thats literally our foremothers.

at the genesis of looksmaxxing is women.

its majority because these men feel shunned by women because of their appearance and join these groups to get away from them, only for said groups to be filled with women. Not saying it's ok to generalize like this, but women have been complaining about men in women's spaces for years, so you all must understand how it feels from a man's perspective.

 

[Xx_Sh4tteredHe4rt_xX]

its majority because these men feel shunned by women because of their appearance and join these groups to get away from them, only for said groups to be filled with women. Not saying it's ok to generalize like this, but women have been complaining about men in women's spaces for years, so you all must understand how it feels from a man's perspective.

am i muted???

 

[Thinasadime]

women are the original looksmaxxers this much we know yet somehow they are invalidated and framed as privileged perpetrators when truly they are the original victim.

i dont understand.

actually i do understand. any good sociological analysis will explain this irony well. its ironic .org and looksmaxxing as a whole has banned or marginalized women when thats literally our foremothers.

at the genesis of looksmaxxing is women.

Ong because women made looksmaxxing and men looksmax FOR women 99% of the time

Also the women on here usually give more helpful feedback than men but that’s just my opinion

 

[Perceval]

im definetly misogynistic and anti feminism but I think women should be included because they are cool

 

[foidslayer]

women are the original looksmaxxers this much we know yet somehow they are invalidated and framed as privileged perpetrators when truly they are the original victim.

i dont understand.

actually i do understand. any good sociological analysis will explain this irony well. its ironic .org and looksmaxxing as a whole has banned or marginalized women when thats literally our foremothers.

at the genesis of looksmaxxing is women.

How were women the original looksmaxxers?

Do you consider makeup and gua sha looksmaxxing?

Or the surgeries that both men and women did to look better?

The correct arguement would be women were the first to take care of their appearance to a big degree, but saying they're the original looksmaxxers is just ignoring so much things that have happened.

"Incels" revolutionized it and put so much more effort, time and research into it.

 

[Thinasadime]

its majority because these men feel shunned by women because of their appearance and join these groups to get away from them, only for said groups to be filled with women. Not saying it's ok to generalize like this, but women have been complaining about men in women's spaces for years, so you all must understand how it feels from a man's perspective.

I think maybe the issue comes from men reacting so strongly to lack of action from women (NOT being interested, NOT initiating conversation) rather than insults

Where on the other hand women are often publicly insulted by men and are typically expected to just move forward since “men will be attracted to them anyways”

Both are expected to be attractive, both get treated better or worse depending on attractiveness, but only one gets blamed as they are less conditioned to quiet and forgiving

It’s really two sides of the same ugly coin, and statistically men usually end up on top anyways

At least thats my take on it

 

[internetbirth]

its majority because these men feel shunned by women because of their appearance and join these groups to get away from them, only for said groups to be filled with women. Not saying it's ok to generalize like this, but women have been complaining about men in women's spaces for years, so you all must understand how it feels from a man's perspective.

the origin of the exclusion and hatred is on the premise that women are socially oppressing men. i agree these men feel social exclusion and rightfully depressed and upset about it. i understand that much and i relate to it.

but this blame on women is prescribed to them and women are labelled as the origin of their issues rather than mental health, and the emotional alienation men face between each other.

women face similar challenges with lookism and ugly women feel the same feeling of lack of femininity and sense of belonging but cope with it differently because of gendered socialization outlining how men should express their feelings. furthermore women as an already oppressed class are easy targets to blame as it aligns with common stereotypes of promiscuity and ruthlessness.

the challenges women and men face are not too different but they are dealt with vastly different. that is the origin of the problem.

this also relates to why immigrants are blamed for job loss (instead of blaming systemic issues, marginalized groups are the perpetrators) and so on.

 

[internetbirth]

How were women the original looksmaxxers?

Do you consider makeup and gua sha looksmaxxing?

Or the surgeries that both men and women did to look better?

The correct arguement would be women were the first to take care of their appearance to a big degree, but saying they're the original looksmaxxers is just ignoring so much things that have happened.

"Incels" revolutionized it and put so much more effort, time and research into it.

yes yes yes yes these are all looksmaxxing LOL.

"effort time and research" as if women havent been researching the best ways to starve themselves. stop invalidating our knowledge and experiences and realize the only reason why male looksmaxxing is validated as "true looksmaxxing" is because the patriarchy devalues womens experiences and education in general

 

[foidslayer]

yes yes yes yes these are all looksmaxxing LOL.

"effort time and research" as if women havent been researching the best ways to starve themselves. stop invalidating our knowledge and experiences and realize the only reason why male looksmaxxing is validated as "true looksmaxxing" is because the patriarchy devalues womens experiences and education in general

You're just being delusional, acting as if eating disorders were exclusive to women.

The "effort and research" that women did were basic knowledge.

 

[foidslayer]

You're just jfl reacting cause you know it's true.

Men were the people who took it to extreme extent. Alot of the people that were doing fillers back then were men

Men also have been pinning (roids, test, hgh and SARMs in general) to look better.

Bodybuilders I gurantee you had a worse eating disorder than most women ever had.

 

[foidslayer]

You're just jfl reacting cause you know it's true.

Men were the people who took it to extreme extent. Alot of the people that were doing fillers back then were men

Men also have been pinning (roids, test, hgh and SARMs in general) to look better.

Bodybuilders I gurantee you had a worse eating disorder than most women ever had.

just cause you heard about looksmaxxing when it became mainstream doesn't mean it didn't exist before you even knew what makeup was.

 

[internetbirth]

You're just jfl reacting cause you know it's true.

Men were the people who took it to extreme extent. Alot of the people that were doing fillers back then were men

Men also have been pinning (roids, test, hgh and SARMs in general) to look better.

Bodybuilders I gurantee you had a worse eating disorder than most women ever had.

i agree with all this but except for the part where men have it "worse". the extremity of looksmaxxing is apparent in women as well and is typically more widespread rather than localized. woman as a WHOLE are subjects of looksmaxxing rather than a select few men.

also women just display these extremities differently and they just arent considered extreme because they arent "masculine". counting calories and macros? extreme male body builder. but an anorexic eating cotton on twitter is just common woman.

isnt it ironic how extreme looksmaxxing is so ubiquitous in women that its severity isnt even recognized. thats the real misogyny and oppression and invalidating these experiences are ahistorical and incorrect.

 

[Thinasadime]

just cause you heard about looksmaxxing when it became mainstream doesn't mean it didn't exist before you even knew what makeup was.

I’m guessing she means the ideas behind looksmaxxing or becoming more attractive to improve your life, not the actual named specific internet community of “looksmaxxers”

 

[Thinasadime]

I’m guessing she means the ideas behind looksmaxxing or becoming more attractive to improve your life, not the actual named specific internet community of “looksmaxxers”

@internetbirth correct me if im wrong i don’t mean to put words in your mouth

 

[foidslayer]

I’m guessing she means the ideas behind looksmaxxing or becoming more attractive to improve your life, not the actual named specific internet community of “looksmaxxers”

Both genders always have sought after beauty from the start of our creation

 

[internetbirth]

@internetbirth correct me if im wrong i don’t mean to put words in your mouth

yes sorry i should actually probably clarified this wowow sorry wowow. major issue i did not define what i meant by looksmaxxing. looks and life improvement is what i mean. but even its its severe chronically online sense women have been "looksmaxxers" from tumblr communities and edtwt.

 

[foidslayer]

i agree with all this but except for the part where men have it "worse". the extremity of looksmaxxing is apparent in women as well and is typically more widespread rather than localized. woman as a WHOLE are subjects of looksmaxxing rather than a select few men.

also women just display these extremities differently and they just arent considered extreme because they arent "masculine". counting calories and macros? extreme male body builder. but an anorexic eating cotton on twitter is just common woman.

isnt it ironic how extreme looksmaxxing is so ubiquitous in women that its severity isnt even recognized. thats the real misogyny and oppression and invalidating these experiences are ahistorical and incorrect.

Men DO have it worse. As a woman you don't see this because every man under htn is invisible to you.

They aren't considered extreme because it really isn't, also it's not only extreme male bodybuilders.

 

[internetbirth]

Both genders always have sought after beauty from the start of our creation

yes thats my point which is EXACTLY WHY it is ironic looksmaxxing communities decide to exclude women. we firstly face so much widespread external patriarchal pressure to be beautiful and our worth as people is based on our beauty, and secondly women have always gone to extremities for beauty same as men so the misogyny and exclusion we face is unjustified.

i want to highlight our similarities to show how absurd it is to create these misogynistic spaces when really we should be battling social structures that define and divide us.

 

[internetbirth]

Men DO have it worse. As a woman you don't see this because every man under htn is invisible to you.

They aren't considered extreme because it really isn't, also it's not only extreme male bodybuilders.

u can say this same invisibility for ugly women. or if they are seen they are objectified and sexualized and only seen as good enough for their sexual organs and bodies. that isnt a great alternative.

 

[foidslayer]

yes thats my point which is EXACTLY WHY it is ironic looksmaxxing communities decide to exclude women. we firstly face so much widespread external patriarchal pressure to be beautiful and our worth as people is based on our beauty, and secondly women have always gone to extremities for beauty same as men so the misogyny and exclusion we face is unjustified.

i want to highlight our similarities to show how absurd it is to create these misogynistic spaces when really we should be battling social structures that define and divide us.

because these spaces were created as a safe space for men that relate to eachother based on how much they suffered because of their looks.

Women have their own spaces that men don't invade, unfortunately women don't feel the need to let men breathe

 

[foidslayer]

u can say this same invisibility for ugly women. or if they are seen they are objectified and sexualized and only seen as good enough for their sexual organs and bodies. that isnt a great alternative.

I've been on both sides the ugly and the opposite.

I also have female friends who experienced the same.

Men suffer so much more in terms of looks, as women even the ugliest are born with SMV.

 

[foidslayer]

Also women were clowning on "looksmaxxing" until they started seeing men become handsome. Then they tried to invade the space.

 

[foidslayer]

Also women were clowning on "looksmaxxing" until they started seeing men become handsome. Then they tried to invade the space.

Adding onto this.

The entirety of looksmaxxing forums were created because of how much men suffered from the hypergamy of women.

 

[internetbirth]

because these spaces were created as a safe space for men that relate to eachother based on how much they suffered because of their looks.

Women have their own spaces that men don't invade, unfortunately women don't feel the need to let men breathe

yes safe spaces are great but they do not need to be built on the premise of misogyny.

i believe you should read more on what the patriarchy is and why there is a difference between female safe spaces and male "safe" spaces (which arent even safe themselves ironically look at .is and .org.) men are also toxic to one another in these alleged safe spaces and the emotional expression is typically resentment and anger rather than vulnerability.

 

[internetbirth]

I've been on both sides the ugly and the opposite.

I also have female friends who experienced the same.

Men suffer so much more in terms of looks, as women even the ugliest are born with SMV.

the SMV is jus the patriarchy valuing women as commodity and sexual objects which any woman can become regardless of her looks. but thats not a positive experience.

 

[foidslayer]

yes safe spaces are great but they do not need to be built on the premise of misogyny.

i believe you should read more on what the patriarchy is and why there is a difference between female safe spaces and male "safe" spaces (which arent even safe themselves ironically look at .is and .org.) men are also toxic to one another in these alleged safe spaces and the emotional expression is typically resentment and anger rather than vulnerability.

Only people who hate women are gay men in secret.

You can call these forums toxic but you can't deny the fact that for men toxic spaces aren't a way to let their anger out on the world without suffering the consequences of being an outlier of society just for being neurodivergent.

Also toxic spaces and environments are much more effective for men. We are built on harsh honesty.

 

[Thinasadime]

Both genders always have sought after beauty from the start of our creation

Men benefit more from their looks in the workplace, women have to work harder to achieve this:

Source:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.13320

Women are more impacted by harsh beauty standards:

Sources:

Body Dissatisfaction, Importance of Appearance, and Body Appreciation in Men and Women Over the Lifespan - PMC

Body image disturbance is associated with several mental disorders. Previous research on body image has focused mostly on women, largely neglecting body image in men. Moreover, only a small number of studies have conducted gender comparisons of body ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Gender Differences in Body Evaluation: Do Men Show More Self-Serving Double Standards Than Women? - PMC

Generally speaking, compared to women, men are less dissatisfied with their own body and consider themselves to be better-looking and less overweight. So far, however, it is unclear whether these divergent body ratings arise from the application of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Men and women are EQUALLY picky in finding partners in terms of visual aesthetics:

Sources:

Sex Differences in the Implications of Partner Physical Attractiveness for the Trajectory of Marital Satisfaction - PMC

Do men value physical attractiveness in a mate more than women? Scientists in numerous disciplines believe that they do, but recent research using speed-dating paradigms suggests that males and females are equally influenced by physical ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Men are from Mars, women are from ... Mars? How people choose partners is surprisingly similar

www.unsw.edu.au

(Finds women and men equally value aesthetics, are more picky about personality)

Men Are Just As Picky As Women About Who They’d Date—If They’re the Ones Being Pursued

When women have to be the pursuer, they become much less picky

www.smithsonianmag.com

Breaking the Norm: Experiment Makes Men and Women Equally Picky When Selecting a Mate

When it comes to dating, are women really choosier than men? The abundance of research on this subject leads us to believe that they are, but a study forthcoming in Psychological Science, a journal of …

www.psychologicalscience.org

 

[foidslayer]

the SMV is jus the patriarchy valuing women as commodity and sexual objects which any woman can become regardless of her looks. but thats not a positive experience.

Then again at the end of the day an ugly woman will be married but an ugly man will remain a khhv incel for the rest of his life. Women have a guranteed happy ending

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

women are the original looksmaxxers this much we know yet somehow they are invalidated and framed as privileged perpetrators when truly they are the original victim.

i dont understand.

actually i do understand. any good sociological analysis will explain this irony well. its ironic .org and looksmaxxing as a whole has banned or marginalized women when thats literally our foremothers.

at the genesis of looksmaxxing is women.

Hell ya

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

Then again at the end of the day an ugly woman will be married but an ugly man will remain a khhv incel for the rest of his life. Women have a guranteed happy ending

Dis why we not friends anymore

 

[foidslayer]

Men benefit more from their looks in the workplace, women have to work harder to achieve this:

Source:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.13320

Women are more impacted by harsh beauty standards:

Sources:

Body Dissatisfaction, Importance of Appearance, and Body Appreciation in Men and Women Over the Lifespan - PMC

Body image disturbance is associated with several mental disorders. Previous research on body image has focused mostly on women, largely neglecting body image in men. Moreover, only a small number of studies have conducted gender comparisons of body ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Gender Differences in Body Evaluation: Do Men Show More Self-Serving Double Standards Than Women? - PMC

Generally speaking, compared to women, men are less dissatisfied with their own body and consider themselves to be better-looking and less overweight. So far, however, it is unclear whether these divergent body ratings arise from the application of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Men and women are EQUALLY picky in finding partners in terms of visual aesthetics:

Sex Differences in the Implications of Partner Physical Attractiveness for the Trajectory of Marital Satisfaction - PMC

Do men value physical attractiveness in a mate more than women? Scientists in numerous disciplines believe that they do, but recent research using speed-dating paradigms suggests that males and females are equally influenced by physical ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Men are from Mars, women are from ... Mars? How people choose partners is surprisingly similar

www.unsw.edu.au

(Finds women and men equally value aesthetics, are more picky about personality)

Men Are Just As Picky As Women About Who They’d Date—If They’re the Ones Being Pursued

When women have to be the pursuer, they become much less picky

www.smithsonianmag.com

Breaking the Norm: Experiment Makes Men and Women Equally Picky When Selecting a Mate

When it comes to dating, are women really choosier than men? The abundance of research on this subject leads us to believe that they are, but a study forthcoming in Psychological Science, a journal of …

www.psychologicalscience.org

I'll get the studies made on the hypergamy when I'm back from school.

 

[Thinasadime]

I'll get the studies made on the hypergamy when I'm back from school.

I am down to read any + open minded

 

[foidslayer]

Dis why we not friends anymore

Then again my personal beliefs doesn't impact how I interact with women I believe everyone deserves kindness until they prove otherwise, so I don't think this affects you in any way

 

[Deleted Member 106081]

i think its not about the looksmaxxing part, its just in general it is easiler and more accpetable for a woman to fraud, larp, and even ascend in looks. e.g. men are not expected and laughed at if they use makeup to fraud looks, however for a woman would be accpetable hence birthing hypergamy

 

[chudlite67]

women are the original looksmaxxers this much we know yet somehow they are invalidated and framed as privileged perpetrators when truly they are the original victim.

i dont understand.

actually i do understand. any good sociological analysis will explain this irony well. its ironic .org and looksmaxxing as a whole has banned or marginalized women when thats literally our foremothers.

at the genesis of looksmaxxing is women.

for me im not offended that there are men only spaces because there many many women only spaces like gyms and that but i do wish there was looksmaxxing ones specifically that are just women bc i feel less intimidated even tho women can be just as mean sometimes

 

[Deleted Member 76607]

its majority because these men feel shunned by women because of their appearance and join these groups to get away from them, only for said groups to be filled with women. Not saying it's ok to generalize like this, but women have been complaining about men in women's spaces for years, so you all must understand how it feels from a man's perspective.

Oh no random girl in the street said she won’t let me fuck her oh no the horror

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

Then again my personal beliefs doesn't impact how I interact with women I believe everyone deserves kindness until they prove otherwise, so I don't think this affects you in any way

It does affect me because I know how you think about women. Ignorance is bliss my friend

 

[internetbirth]

i think its not about the looksmaxxing part, its just in general it is easiler and more accpetable for a woman to fraud, larp, and even ascend in looks. e.g. men are not expected and laughed at if they use makeup to fraud looks, however for a woman would be accpetable hence birthing hypergamy

not the fault of women tho. that's ironically the patriarchy looksminning you

 

[Deleted Member 106081]

not the fault of women tho. that's ironically the patriarchy looksminning you

i know its not the fault of woman, i am a woman myself, im just saying thats why they are mad and not happy

 

[internetbirth]

Then again my personal beliefs doesn't impact how I interact with women I believe everyone deserves kindness until they prove otherwise, so I don't think this affects you in any way

you cant say this and hold these opinions on women. do some research, soul seeking and seek information outside of what affirms what you know.

 

[foidslayer]

It does affect me because I know how you think about women. Ignorance is bliss my friend

My beliefs about women stem from personal trauma since i was a child till now. I don't let it affect the way I treat or act towards women but deep down ill always still have some kind of hatred towards them as a whole even if its wrong

 

[foidslayer]

you cant say this and hold these opinions on women. do some research, soul seeking and seek information outside of what affirms what you know.

I did some research, which further proved my beliefs against women.

 

[Deleted Member 111657]

My beliefs about women stem from personal trauma since i was a child till now. I don't let it affect the way I treat or act towards women but deep down ill always still have some kind of hatred towards them as a whole even if its wrong

Ya and the fact that I know you still think that way is always going to be off putting regardless of the reason for it

 

[internetbirth]

for me im not offended that there are men only spaces because there many many women only spaces like gyms and that but i do wish there was looksmaxxing ones specifically that are just women bc i feel less intimidated even tho women can be just as mean sometimes

the issue is these mens spaces arent just neutral safe spaces as they are sold to be. the entire premise of the lm community is the ostracism and blame on women for mens issues.

 

[foidslayer]

Ya and the fact that I know you still think that way is always going to be off putting regardless of the reason for it

dawg i don't bite

 

[foidslayer]

the issue is these mens spaces arent just neutral safe spaces as they are sold to be. the entire premise of the lm community is the ostracism and blame on women for mens issues.

blame white men for this

Non-incel looksmaxxers don't put the blame on women because they believe they're biologically made to be that way, so it isn't their fault.

 

[Thinasadime]

i think its not about the looksmaxxing part, its just in general it is easiler and more accpetable for a woman to fraud, larp, and even ascend in looks. e.g. men are not expected and laughed at if they use makeup to fraud looks, however for a woman would be accpetable hence birthing hypergamy

I agree with first bit, but prevalence of hypergamy as it is defined in spaces like this (as opposed to the traditional definition of hypergamy of “marrying up” or getting w someone with higher resources) is questioned, and stands as more of an idea rather than a statistically significant fact