i will never understand how looksmaxxing communities exclude women

[internetbirth]

You're just being delusional, acting as if eating disorders were exclusive to women.

The "effort and research" that women did were basic knowledge.

sorry this comment pmo so bad because u literally prove my point by invalidating womens knowledge and experiences omg whatever

 

[internetbirth]

I agree with first bit, but prevalence of hypergamy as it is defined in spaces like this (as opposed to the traditional definition of hypergamy of “marrying up” or getting w someone with higher resources) is questioned, and stands as more of an idea rather than a statistically significant fact

THIS PART ITS NOT REAL HYPERGAMY IS NOT REAL!! ITS JUST A WELL MARKETED CONCEPT THAT PERFECTLY ALIGNS WITH PREEXISTING MISOGYNISTIC IDEAS OF WOMEN sorry

 

[larpingtillascending]

sorry this comment pmo so bad because u literally prove my point by invalidating womens knowledge and experiences omg whatever

to some end woman would never understand man and vice versa lol. its like when men start grooming woman say "leave something for us". same thing

 

[larpingtillascending]

THIS PART ITS NOT REAL HYPERGAMY IS NOT REAL!! ITS JUST A WELL MARKETED CONCEPT THAT PERFECTLY ALIGNS WITH PREEXISTING MISOGYNISTIC IDEAS OF WOMEN sorry

it is misogynistic to say all woman are hypergamerous but you cant deny, it exist way more then men hypergamy or i doubt if theres even any

 

[Thinasadime]

I did some research, which further proved my beliefs against women.

Check your confirmation bias + make sure you are researching with open questions

Biased: “why are women so much more selective than men when choosing partners!”

Unbiased: “are men or women more selective when choosing partners?”

Etc. etc.

This is something often taught in colleges, but many forget

Make sure your research is significant, valid, up-to date, reputable

 

[chudlite67]

the issue is these mens spaces arent just neutral safe spaces as they are sold to be. the entire premise of the lm community is the ostracism and blame on women for mens issues.

yeah youre right but what are u gonna do yk
deep down men will never see a woman as anything other than a hole i just dont see a point in arguing

 

[internetbirth]

Check your confirmation bias + make sure you are researching with open questions

Biased: “why are women so much more selective than men when choosing partners!”

Unbiased: “are men or women more selective when choosing partners?”

Etc. etc.

This is something often taught in colleges, but many forget

Make sure your research is significant, valid, up-to date, reputable

exactly people are searching with questions that align with ideologies rather than neutral inquiries. and heavy on looking at the sample size, and any author notes and conclusions. graphs are not conclusions themselves.

 

[internetbirth]

yeah youre right but what are u gonna do yk
deep down men will never see a woman as anything other than a hole i just dont see a point in arguing

and isnt that heartbreaking.

 

[chudlite67]

and isnt that heartbreaking.

yeah tbh :/
its the worst feeling when ur having a conversation with a man and he makes one little comment that makes u realise they are truly all the same

 

[Thinasadime]

exactly people are searching with questions that align with ideologies rather than neutral inquiries. and heavy on looking at the sample size, and any author notes and conclusions. graphs are not conclusions themselves.

Yes yes yes

If you want to be knowledgeable about any topic, especially a controversial one, you absolutely must research both sides and ensure that you are using good sources

The CRAAP test is a good way to test if your source is credible:

 

[internetbirth]

Only people who hate women are gay men in secret.

You can call these forums toxic but you can't deny the fact that for men toxic spaces aren't a way to let their anger out on the world without suffering the consequences of being an outlier of society just for being neurodivergent.

Also toxic spaces and environments are much more effective for men. We are built on harsh honesty.

also this exact belief in "harsh honesty" is exactly the type of emotional repression i am talking about which only builds anger snd resentment. you dont feel better. its not a safe space its an intentionally unproductive and toxic environment built on hatred of women and justified as emotional expression. but ironically when vulnerability is expressed it is not taken seriously or is made fun of. this EXACT normalization of men needing to be "strong" is what you are a victim of. you are a victim of patriarchal gender norms not women.

 

[Thinasadime]

Yes yes yes

If you want to be knowledgeable about any topic, especially a controversial one, you absolutely must research both sides and ensure that you are using good sources
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The CRAAP test is a good way to test if your source is credible:
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@foidslayer please read this im not even trying to be a bitch but this will help you back your arguments up and make sure the studies you are reading hold any weight in an argument

 

[papichulo_]

Yes yes yes

If you want to be knowledgeable about any topic, especially a controversial one, you absolutely must research both sides and ensure that you are using good sources
View attachment 335629

The CRAAP test is a good way to test if your source is credible:
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just read and witnessed two fems school a dude when discussing on the origins of LM. girls absolutely pioneered LM and have been using metas that guys recently JUST discovered. nice and informative read guys

 

[internetbirth]

@foidslayer please read this im not even trying to be a bitch but this will help you back your arguments up and make sure the studies you are reading hold any weight in an argument

yess tysm i understand nws

 

[Thinasadime]

just read and witnessed two fems school a dude when discussing on the origins of LM. girls absolutely pioneered LM and have been using metas that guys recently JUST discovered. nice and informative read guys

Harvard is calling me rn

 

[Aurelius74]

Ong because women made looksmaxxing and men looksmax FOR women 99% of the time

Also the women on here usually give more helpful feedback than men but that’s just my opinion

Can't we start hard baning people for having utter imbecile , utter nonsense & utter bogus takes ?

"Papi Wi wuzzz opperssed & Shiee"
"Saar wi invented looksmaxxing & shieet saar"

Non-incel looksmaxxers don't put the blame on women because they believe they're biologically made to be that way, so it isn't their fault.

"Non-incel looksmaxxers", i wouldn't like to get into this... Js don't use this stoopid terminology ever again.

No saar, biology is never an explanation for unprecedented hypergamy & getting mentally drained by chad and then further blaming it to all men, it's a conscious choice & biology. If a foid does that ,which most of them actually do, than u need to get out of your idea that muh "not all foids same".

@Chifuyu @TonyDr @Yani @Randomized

 

[internetbirth]

Can't we start hard baning people for having utter imbecile , utter nonsense & utter bogus takes ?

"Papi Wi wuzzz opperssed & Shiee"


"Non-incel looksmaxxers", i wouldn't like to get into this... Js don't use this stoopid terminology ever again.

No saar, biology is never an explanation for unprecedented hypergamy & getting mentally drained by chad and then further blaming it to all men, it's a conscious choice & biology. If a foid does that ,which most of them actually do, than u need to get out of your idea that muh "not all foids same".

@Chifuyu @TonyDr @Yani @Randomized

you are speaking from resentment and not reason. i have made all my claims and arguments you can look through them. i sympathize with your pain have a great night.

 

[Thinasadime]

Can't we start hard baning people for having utter imbecile , utter nonsense & utter bogus takes ?

"Papi Wi wuzzz opperssed & Shiee"
"Saar wi invented looksmaxxing & shieet saar"


"Non-incel looksmaxxers", i wouldn't like to get into this... Js don't use this stoopid terminology ever again.

No saar, biology is never an explanation for unprecedented hypergamy & getting mentally drained by chad and then further blaming it to all men, it's a conscious choice & biology. If a foid does that ,which most of them actually do, than u need to get out of your idea that muh "not all foids same".

@Chifuyu @TonyDr @Yani @Randomized

What are you arguing here did you read any of the thread

 

[papichulo_]

Can't we start hard baning people for having utter imbecile , utter nonsense & utter bogus takes ?

"Papi Wi wuzzz opperssed & Shiee"
"Saar wi invented looksmaxxing & shieet saar"


"Non-incel looksmaxxers", i wouldn't like to get into this... Js don't use this stoopid terminology ever again.

No saar, biology is never an explanation for unprecedented hypergamy & getting mentally drained by chad and then further blaming it to all men, it's a conscious choice & biology. If a foid does that ,which most of them actually do, than u need to get out of your idea that muh "not all foids same".

@Chifuyu @TonyDr @Yani @Randomized

bro to bro, I felt exactly how you felt when i was around middle school age but i eventually realized the cards i was dealt and became a Non Incel LM. U highkey sound like every other dude who blames foids hypergamy. we should start hard banning retards like you for saying stupid shit like this

 

[Aurelius74]

bro to bro, I felt exactly how you felt when i was around middle school age but i eventually realized the cards i was dealt and became a Non Incel LM. U highkey sound like every other dude who blames foids hypergamy. we should start hard banning retards like you for saying stupid shit like this

Joined : Today at 9:47 AM

I see this shit everytime and realise org is so much comparatively better than this cesspool of foid's bootlicking sissy cuck boys. "Foid's are not to be blamed for hypergamy" this shit isn't getting u laid dumb fuck, there are plenty of bootlicking cucks in forum & foid's still shit on them, saying below "chadlite men have no right to live". Sick of this bullshit bro.... @Chifuyu @Shedontluv-U

 

[Penalizer69]

You're just jfl reacting cause you know it's true.

Men were the people who took it to extreme extent. Alot of the people that were doing fillers back then were men

Men also have been pinning (roids, test, hgh and SARMs in general) to look better.

Bodybuilders I gurantee you had a worse eating disorder than most women ever had.

You're extremely prone to bias

Try to think without your emotion.

 

[papichulo_]

Joined : Today at 9:47 AM

I see this shit everytime and realise org is so much comparatively better than this cesspool of foid's bootlicking sissy cuck boys. "Foid's are not to be blamed for hypergamy" this shit isn't getting u laid dumb fuck, there are plenty of bootlicking cucks in forum & foid's still shit on them, saying below "chadlite men have no right to live". Sick of this bullshit bro.... @Chifuyu @Shedontluv-U

Not saying it to get laid u neanderthal, go on Org then where manlets like urself get shit on by other manlets. It’s foids and chuds helping eachother out and i think it’s wonderful having a co-ed space to compare and exchange notes on LM. Ur obv super hurt bro and i feel ya, the world isn’t full of evil foids trying to grab at a sensitive young man like urself ( mainly bc i don’t doubt ur still a Truecel)

 

[foidslayer]

@foidslayer please read this im not even trying to be a bitch but this will help you back your arguments up and make sure the studies you are reading hold any weight in an argument

im not taking any offence i already said I'll link the studies im backed by too when im home from school

 

[Thinasadime]

im not taking any offence i already said I'll link the studies im backed by too when im home from school

Lit + i also recommend examining them using the charts i provided (i do the same with all my stuff)

 

[foidslayer]

sorry this comment pmo so bad because u literally prove my point by invalidating womens knowledge and experiences omg whatever

I've never seen a woman actually glow up at all. All they do is grow up and use makeup better. so called pioneer looksmaxxers

 

[foidslayer]

Lit + i also recommend examining them using the charts i provided (i do the same with all my stuff)

thank you for your advice its much appreciated

 

[isntnotrepellent]

women are the original looksmaxxers this much we know yet somehow they are invalidated and framed as privileged perpetrators when truly they are the original victim.

i dont understand.

actually i do understand. any good sociological analysis will explain this irony well. its ironic .org and looksmaxxing as a whole has banned or marginalized women when thats literally our foremothers.

at the genesis of looksmaxxing is women.

foid

 

[foidslayer]

OKCupid data shows that women rate approximately 80% of men as below average in attractiveness, while men's ratings of women follow a more balanced, normal distribution.


On Tinder, men liked around 62% of female profiles, while women liked fewer than 5% of male profiles a massive gap in selectivity.

How Men and Women Rate Each Other on Dating Websites

Men find women more attractive than women find men

www.stevestewartwilliams.com

A study of over 1.8 million online daters across 24 nations found that men with above-average resources received 255% more interest than men with below-average resources.

Is Hypergamy Real? What the Evidence Shows

Women do tend to prefer higher-status partners, but actual marriage patterns are more complicated than that simple story suggests.

scienceinsights.org

A Swedish study found that in every union type including those where the woman had more education men were still the most likely to be the main earners, suggesting women continue to prefer higher-earning partners even when they themselves are highly credentialed.

Whither Hypergamy?

It was once a truth universally acknowledged that a single woman would be in want of a prosperous husband. This is not to say that women wanted to “marry for money.” But it is to concede that when women are unable to earn their own livelihood, as they have been unable to do through much of human...

ifstudies.org

Research conducted across 37 cultures and 10,000 people found that women rated "good financial prospect" higher than men did in every single culture, and in 29 samples, "ambition and industriousness" were more important to women when choosing a mate.

Hypergamy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

women can compensate for lower attractiveness with personality/warmth, but men face a dual standard they must be both physically attractive and high-status.
Research showed that social status was important for girls' dating desire in both the attractive and less attractive condition meaning even less attractive men were expected to have status while for boys, status only mattered when the potential partner was already attractive.

Effects of Attractiveness and Social Status on Dating Desire in Heterosexual Adolescents: An Experimental Study - PMC

The present study examined to what extent adolescent dating desire is based on attractiveness and social status of a potential short-term partner. Further, we tested whether self-perceived mate value moderated the relationship between dating desire ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Men care about looks equally" The OKCupid/Tinder data shows men are more generous raters overall, but it's women who impose the harsher minimum threshold on men.

"A 2025 PLOS ONE study found no hypergamy in England over 184 years" That study analyzed 33 million marriages in England from 1837–2021 and found women's average family status equaled that of their husbands', challenging the hypergamy narrative at the behavioral (marriage) level. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0316769

 

[Thinasadime]

OKCupid data shows that women rate approximately 80% of men as below average in attractiveness, while men's ratings of women follow a more balanced, normal distribution.


On Tinder, men liked around 62% of female profiles, while women liked fewer than 5% of male profiles a massive gap in selectivity.

How Men and Women Rate Each Other on Dating Websites

Men find women more attractive than women find men

www.stevestewartwilliams.com

A study of over 1.8 million online daters across 24 nations found that men with above-average resources received 255% more interest than men with below-average resources.

Is Hypergamy Real? What the Evidence Shows

Women do tend to prefer higher-status partners, but actual marriage patterns are more complicated than that simple story suggests.

scienceinsights.org

A Swedish study found that in every union type including those where the woman had more education men were still the most likely to be the main earners, suggesting women continue to prefer higher-earning partners even when they themselves are highly credentialed.

Whither Hypergamy?

It was once a truth universally acknowledged that a single woman would be in want of a prosperous husband. This is not to say that women wanted to “marry for money.” But it is to concede that when women are unable to earn their own livelihood, as they have been unable to do through much of human...

ifstudies.org

Research conducted across 37 cultures and 10,000 people found that women rated "good financial prospect" higher than men did in every single culture, and in 29 samples, "ambition and industriousness" were more important to women when choosing a mate.

Hypergamy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

women can compensate for lower attractiveness with personality/warmth, but men face a dual standard they must be both physically attractive and high-status.
Research showed that social status was important for girls' dating desire in both the attractive and less attractive condition meaning even less attractive men were expected to have status while for boys, status only mattered when the potential partner was already attractive.

Effects of Attractiveness and Social Status on Dating Desire in Heterosexual Adolescents: An Experimental Study - PMC

The present study examined to what extent adolescent dating desire is based on attractiveness and social status of a potential short-term partner. Further, we tested whether self-perceived mate value moderated the relationship between dating desire ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Men care about looks equally" The OKCupid/Tinder data shows men are more generous raters overall, but it's women who impose the harsher minimum threshold on men.

"A 2025 PLOS ONE study found no hypergamy in England over 184 years" That study analyzed 33 million marriages in England from 1837–2021 and found women's average family status equaled that of their husbands', challenging the hypergamy narrative at the behavioral (marriage) level. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0316769

Will read this tomorrow when I am more awake but ty

 

[foidslayer]

Will read this tomorrow when I am more awake but ty

take your time

 

[foidslayer]

Here's more:

Height is one of the clearest examples of an appearance standard applied almost exclusively to men in the dating market.
Research using a sample of over 52,000 people found that women prefer a partner who is on average 21 cm taller than them, whereas men are most satisfied when they are only 8 cm taller than their partner showing the asymmetry is driven far more by women's requirements than men's.

Women want taller men more than men want shorter women

Physical characteristics, such as height, play an important role in human mate preferences. Satisfaction with one’s own height and one’s partner heigh…

www.sciencedirect.com

Research by economist Dan Ariely found that shorter men must earn substantially more money than taller men just to be judged equally attractive by women meaning short men face a compounded disadvantage requiring both physical and financial compensation.

Height discrimination - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Multiple studies found that women were more likely than men to state that height matters when selecting a mate, and taller men were more frequently selected at speed dating events.

Height and Body Mass on the Mating Market: Associations With Number of Sex Partners and Extra-Pair Sex Among Heterosexual Men and Women Aged 18–65 - PMC

People with traits that are attractive on the mating market are better able to pursue their preferred mating strategy. Men who are relatively tall may be preferred by women because taller height is a cue to dominance, social status, access to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Unlike most female appearance standards (weight, makeup, etc.), height is completely outside a man's control. A woman can lose weight or apply cosmetics; a man cannot grow taller. This makes male appearance pressure uniquely inescapable.

Men Face a Dual Standard. Looks and Status, Women Face Only One
Research on adolescent dating showed that social status was important for girls' dating desire regardless of whether a boy was attractive or not but for boys, status only mattered if the girl was already attractive. In other words, men need both looks and status; women can trade off one for the other (PubMed Central)

Studies show that 69–84% of women experience body dissatisfaction. But one study found that 90% of boys in a sample were dissatisfied with their muscularity specifically a number comparable in scale but far less discussed publicly.

Body Image | Risks, Eating Disorders & Resources | NEDA

Learn about negative body image risks, how they are linked to eating disorders, and find resources to support a healthy body image at NEDA.

www.nationaleatingdisorders.org

Research shows that in Western society, the idealized male body lean, muscular, V-shaped is unachievable for most men, yet media and social media continuously propagate this standard, creating body dissatisfaction and a "marked difference between the body they have and the body they think they should have."

Frontiers | Men's perception of current and ideal body composition and the influence of media internalization on body judgements

To determine men’s body ideals and the factors that influence these choices, this study used a matrix of computer generated (CG) male bodies (based on an ana...

www.frontiersin.org

Research found that media pressure in men leads to internalization of the "mesomorphic ideal," which then drives both muscularity and body fat dissatisfaction yet this phenomenon receives far less clinical and public attention than female body image issues

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1740144524000895

@Aurelius74