Guide Smile esthetics: you are focusing on the wrong thing

[Jeezy]

Stop coping with the bullshit buccal corridor shit that orthotropics/mewing feeds you.

Buccal corridors are the amount of black spaces/the dark triangles that show up on the outside of your smile, and it is pure cope; the only thing it is good for is assessing palatal width. It makes virtually no difference on smile esthetics, and is very controversial as is. This is because "the prosthodontic literature describes a smile lacking buccal corridors as unrealistic-looking and denture-like" while "orthodontists refer to buccal corridors as "negative" spaces to be eliminated by transverse maxillary expansion". And orthodontists and orthotropists are the only ones who give 2 shits about buccal corridors, as "repeated surveys of lay persons have failed to establish any adverse esthetic perception of negative spaces".

Smile arc is immensely more important to smile esthetics than buccal corridor cope. "The smile arc is the relationship between a hypothetical curve drawn along the edges of the maxillary anterior teeth and the inner contour of the lower lip in the posed smile".

You want to aim for a smile arc that looks like this:

Not like this:

It is important to note that "Smile arcs were found to be flatter in orthodontically treated patients than in an untreated group with normal occlusions, resulting in a "denture mouth" appearance". Furthermore, "the smile arc can be unintentionally flattened during orthodontic treatment by any or all of the following three techniques." The article cited below goes into more detail on this.

So there you have it, stop coping about your smile being narrow being the cause of a bad smile. Smile arc is much more important and buccal corridors are irrelevant for smile esthetics, and only relevant for assessing palatal width.

Source: The Eight Components of a Balanced Smile

Edit: forgot the source

 

[Jeezy]

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[BriannaPilled]

@TryingToAscendorRope @over0 @BriannaPilled @Naticel @Transposon_55 @GreekFreak27 @acketar @ela67

Im officially cooked

 

[Jeezy]

Im officially cooked

Bad smile arc?

 

[johnfkennedy]

Stop coping with the bullshit buccal corridor shit that orthotropics/mewing feeds you.

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Buccal corridors are the amount of black spaces/the dark triangles that show up on the outside of your smile, and it is pure cope; the only thing it is good for is assessing palatal width. It makes virtually no difference on smile esthetics, and is very controversial as is. This is because "the prosthodontic literature describes a smile lacking buccal corridors as unrealistic-looking and denture-like" while "orthodontists refer to buccal corridors as "negative" spaces to be eliminated by transverse maxillary expansion". And orthodontists and orthotropists are the only ones who give 2 shits about buccal corridors, as "repeated surveys of lay persons have failed to establish any adverse esthetic perception of negative spaces".

Smile arc is immensely more important to smile esthetics than buccal corridor cope. "The smile arc is the relationship between a hypothetical curve drawn along the edges of the maxillary anterior teeth and the inner contour of the lower lip in the posed smile".

You want to aim for a smile arc that looks like this:

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Not like this:

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It is important to note that "Smile arcs were found to be flatter in orthodontically treated patients than in an untreated group with normal occlusions, resulting in a "denture mouth" appearance". Furthermore, "the smile arc can be unintentionally flattened during orthodontic treatment by any or all of the following three techniques." The article cited below goes into more detail on this.

So there you have it, stop coping about your smile being narrow being the cause of a bad smile. Smile arc is much more important and buccal corridors are irrelevant for smile esthetics, and only relevant for assessing palatal width.

Source: The Eight Components of a Balanced Smile

Edit: forgot the source

ngl this seems to hyper fixate on the anatomy without really pointing out one of the most obvious pieces to me. A smile is "wide" and "thick". The illusion of being "thick" feels like a fuller smile. This is, to me, why thin-lipped or very pointy smiles look so terrible. A thick upper lip, or specific facial hair, creates this. Just look at those "old classic" chads smiling, they have thick lips and a very strong smile.

 

[Jeezy]

ngl this seems to hyper fixate on the anatomy without really pointing out one of the most obvious pieces to me. A smile is "wide" and "thick". The illusion of being "thick" feels like a fuller smile. This is, to me, why thin-lipped or very pointy smiles look so terrible. A thick upper lip, or specific facial hair, creates this. Just look at those "old classic" chads smiling, they have thick lips and a very strong smile.

The article focuses on some soft tissue components of the smile, just not like thickness. Related to thick upper lip, upper lip curvature is incredibly important as well, upward or straight lips are desired when smiling, downward curved lips are a smile failo!

 

[BriannaPilled]

Bad smile arc?

yeah its more boxy, also im not really sure how to smile period like that whole muscle group is goofy for me (not like its weak i never dont have gum in my mouth) but its like a foreign motion. plus i thankfully dont grow facial hair so i cant use that sneaky trick

 

[Spuffy]

esthetics

 

[Jeezy]

esthetics

?

 

[Jeezy]

@cut

 

[Jeezy]

?

Can I change this to make it a guide or am I fucked?

 

[Jeezy]

yeah its more boxy, also im not really sure how to smile period like that whole muscle group is goofy for me (not like its weak i never dont have gum in my mouth) but its like a foreign motion. plus i thankfully dont grow facial hair so i cant use that sneaky trick

I know orthodontics can flatten smile arc per my post, but they can also be used to correct the smile arc, for example, placing brackets higher on the teeth.

 

[Deleted Member 54608]

From time to time I need to re-introduce this jumpscare

 

[Jeezy]

From time to time I need to re-introduce this jumpscare
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I think you just need your lower lips to drop a little bit and you will be good. Like it kinda looks like you are biting the lower lip almost (not sure if this is actually the case). Your teeth look structurally good though and you have nice eyes and lips for smile!

 

[Jeezy]

@blanquita444 mirin my work?

 

[blanquita444]

@blanquita444 mirin my work?

Smiling doesnt matter
if hot pretty
if average or lower u look stupid

 

[Jeezy]

Smiling doesnt matter
if hot pretty
if average or lower u look stupid

Smile halo can ascend anyone. Just smile theory.

 

[blanquita444]

Smile halo can ascend anyone. Just smile theory.

Im alternative and average so i look stupid

 

[Jeezy]

Im alternative and average so i look stupid

Your theory that nice clothing helping you look better is cope is a much better theory!

 

[blanquita444]

Your theory that nice clothing helping you look better is cope is a much better theory!

neither help imo.
if youre ugly and have a good smile and good fashion taste ur still chopped
if ur good looking and have a bad smile and a bad fashion taste ur still good looking

 

[Jeezy]

neither help imo.
if youre ugly and have a good smile and good fashion taste ur still chopped
if ur good looking and have a bad smile and a bad fashion taste ur still good looking

Brutal, do you not believe in halos for uggos?

 

[blanquita444]

Brutal, do you not believe in halos for uggos?

No
Only halos are coloring and hair texture
Sometimes tilt but rare to be ugly and have good tilt

 

[Jeezy]

No
Only halos are coloring and hair texture
Sometimes tilt but rare to be ugly and have good tilt

Wow you took the word blackpill to heart

 

[blanquita444]

Wow you took the word blackpill to heart

yeah
Im a nice person when i talk to people in private But not on here

 

[Jeezy]

yeah
Im a nice person when i talk to people in private But not on here

Here is what .org discord told me when I told them about some of the dates I had been on: do you think any girls would have gone out with you if you didn't have a nice smile, wide jaw, 6'4", and white?

Uggos and middos can have halos.

Have a more positive outlook brother!

 

[blanquita444]

Here is what .org discord told me when I told them about some of the dates I had been on: do you think any girls would have gone out with you if you didn't have a nice smile, wide jaw, 6'4", and white?

Uggos and middos can have halos.

Have a more positive outlook brother!

Height can be a halo for some people wide jaw too
I dont really think white is a halo we have a bad genepool as far as face is concerned
I dont go on dates so i dont know

 

[Jeezy]

Height can be a halo for some people wide jaw too
I dont really think white is a halo we have a bad genepool as far as face is concerned
I dont go on dates so i dont know

Sadly I have green/blue eye and blonde hair halo too, but I have massive failos, mainly bloat/bf % + zygoless.

 

[blanquita444]

Sadly I have green/blue eye and blonde hair halo too, but I have massive failos, mainly bloat/bf % + zygoless.

My halos are Body coloring hair texture
failos big nose, sometimes bloated in the face and stomach, weirdly placed ears (dk how to describe this theyre not big they just make my jawline look weird) and latina
My lip to nose ratio isnt terrible

 

[Jeezy]

My halos are Body coloring hair texture
failos big nose, sometimes bloated in the face and stomach, weirdly placed ears (dk how to describe this theyre not big they just make my jawline look weird) and latina
My lip to nose ratio isnt terrible

Latina is failo? When?

My lip to nose ratio is 1.25 I have full lips and cupids bow but cutie patootie neotenous lips JFL

 

[blanquita444]

Latina is failo? When?

My lip to nose ratio is 1.25 I have full lips and cupids bow but cutie patootie neotenous lips JFL

1.25 aint terrible if u have a decent jaw

 

[BriannaPilled]

I know orthodontics can flatten smile arc per my post, but they can also be used to correct the smile arc, for example, placing brackets higher on the teeth.

ill figure it out at some point, or the world could just learn to love my rbf- whichever comes first
low key if i ever post a rating request though id appreciate some pointers. i had poor nutrition growing up and while my teeth are straight and normally size they look a little funny

 

[Jeezy]

ill figure it out at some point, or the world could just learn to love my rbf- whichever comes first
low key if i ever post a rating request though id appreciate some pointers. i had poor nutrition growing up and while my teeth are straight and normally size they look a little funny

> low key if i ever post a rating request though id appreciate some pointers. i had poor nutrition growing up and while my teeth are straight and normally size they look a little funny

Ye I can help for sure!

 

[Jeezy]

@dipenhydramine who do I @ to get them to turn this into a guide?

 

[Jeezy]

@TonyDr can you make this guide plz?

 

[dipenhydramine]

@dipenhydramine who do I @ to get them to turn this into a guide?

i tagged tony he moved it to guides for me

 

[Jeezy]

i tagged tony he moved it to guides for me

Really hoping Tony will come through in the clutch

 

[dipenhydramine]

Really hoping Tony will come through in the clutch

hopefully