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One of the biggest differences between an average profile and a top-tier profile is often not the nose, eyes, or even the chin.

It's jaw position.

More specifically:

COUNTER-CLOCKWISE (CCW) ROTATION.

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WHAT IS CCW ROTATION?

CCW rotation is when the mandible rotates upward and forward.

Visual effects:

.more projected chin

.stronger jawline

.shorter lower third

.better neck-jaw angle

.less recessed appearance

.more compact face

This is why some people have a "hunter" profile while others look elongated and weak despite having decent features.

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THE WEDGE THEORY

Imagine placing a wedge under a door.

The door can't close.

Your posterior teeth work similarly.

If the back teeth are too vertically developed, they hold the mandible downward and backward.

This creates:

.long face appearance

.weaker jawline

.downward growth pattern

.reduced chin projection

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Remove the wedge.

Jaw rotates.

Profile improves.
SIGNS YOU MAY ASCEND

.gummy smile

.long midface

.long lower third

.open bite

.high mandibular plane

.weak neck-jaw angle

.downward grown face

People with already strong forward growth may gain little from further rotation.

THE BIGGEST FRAUDS

Jaw trainers

Chewing gum transformations

TikTok jaw hacks

Face pulling

Random mewing before-and-afters

Most of these do not create actual skeletal CCW rotation.

At best:

muscle development

better posture

temporary appearance changes

At worst:

placebo.

THE REAL METHODS

METHOD 1

POSTERIOR MOLAR INTRUSION

Most realistic non-surgical route.

Orthodontists use TADs.

Temporary screws are placed in bone.

These screws push the back teeth upward.

As the posterior wedge decreases:

.mandible rotates forward

.chin projects

.lower face shortens

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This is where most legitimate non-surgical CCW results come from.

METHOD 2

INCISOR RETRACTION

Many people have flared upper incisors.

These act like a wall.

The jaw wants to rotate forward but gets blocked.

Retracting the upper teeth:

.opens room for rotation

.improves lip position

.improves side profile

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Retraction is often underrated.

METHOD 3

ORTHOGNATHIC SURGERY

The nuclear option.

Most dramatic results.

Largest skeletal changes.

Can produce:

.massive chin projection

.major jawline improvements

.true skeletal CCW rotation

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Downside:

.expensive

.recovery

.surgery

WHY SOME PEOPLE LOOK BETTER AFTER BRACES

Many people think:

"His jaw grew."

Sometimes it didn't.

What happened was:

.posterior intrusion

.bite correction

.dental compensation removal

.small CCW autorotation

The result:

better jawline

better profile

stronger chin

without actual jaw growth.
THE HARSH TRUTH

Not everyone is built for CCW rotation.

If you have:

.low mandibular plane

.short face

.large chin

.deep bite

you may not benefit much.

Some people already have the look others are trying to create.

THE BIGGEST MISTAKE

Chasing maximum projection.

The goal is not:

"most forward jaw possible."

The goal is:

FACIAL HARMONY.

A balanced 7/10 profile beats an over-advanced uncanny profile every time.


HOW TO KNOW IF YOU'RE A CANDIDATE

Get:

.lateral ceph

.CBCT if necessary

.orthodontic consultation

.actual measurements

A single X-ray tells more than 500 forum comments.


FINAL VERDICT

Most people obsess over eye area, canthal tilt, or minor asymmetries.

Meanwhile their entire lower third is being determined by jaw position and vertical growth pattern.

You can have perfect eyes and still look average with poor jaw mechanics.

Understand the skeleton before obsessing over the details.




 
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One of the biggest differences between an average profile and a top-tier profile is often not the nose, eyes, or even the chin.

It's jaw position.

More specifically:

COUNTER-CLOCKWISE (CCW) ROTATION.

View attachment 372706
WHAT IS CCW ROTATION?

CCW rotation is when the mandible rotates upward and forward.

Visual effects:

.more projected chin

.stronger jawline

.shorter lower third

.better neck-jaw angle

.less recessed appearance

.more compact face

This is why some people have a "hunter" profile while others look elongated and weak despite having decent features.

View attachment 372707
THE WEDGE THEORY

Imagine placing a wedge under a door.

The door can't close.

Your posterior teeth work similarly.

If the back teeth are too vertically developed, they hold the mandible downward and backward.

This creates:

.long face appearance

.weaker jawline

.downward growth pattern

.reduced chin projection

View attachment 372711
Remove the wedge.

Jaw rotates.

Profile improves.
SIGNS YOU MAY ASCEND

.gummy smile

.long midface

.long lower third

.open bite

.high mandibular plane

.weak neck-jaw angle

.downward grown face

People with already strong forward growth may gain little from further rotation.

THE BIGGEST FRAUDS

Jaw trainers

Chewing gum transformations

TikTok jaw hacks

Face pulling

Random mewing before-and-afters

Most of these do not create actual skeletal CCW rotation.

At best:

muscle development

better posture

temporary appearance changes

At worst:

placebo.

THE REAL METHODS

METHOD 1

POSTERIOR MOLAR INTRUSION

Most realistic non-surgical route.

Orthodontists use TADs.

Temporary screws are placed in bone.

These screws push the back teeth upward.

As the posterior wedge decreases:

.mandible rotates forward

.chin projects

.lower face shortens

View attachment 372714

This is where most legitimate non-surgical CCW results come from.

METHOD 2

INCISOR RETRACTION

Many people have flared upper incisors.

These act like a wall.

The jaw wants to rotate forward but gets blocked.

Retracting the upper teeth:

.opens room for rotation

.improves lip position

.improves side profile

View attachment 372718

Retraction is often underrated.

METHOD 3

ORTHOGNATHIC SURGERY

The nuclear option.

Most dramatic results.

Largest skeletal changes.

Can produce:

.massive chin projection

.major jawline improvements

.true skeletal CCW rotation

View attachment 372719

Downside:

.expensive

.recovery

.surgery

WHY SOME PEOPLE LOOK BETTER AFTER BRACES

Many people think:

"His jaw grew."

Sometimes it didn't.

What happened was:

.posterior intrusion

.bite correction

.dental compensation removal

.small CCW autorotation

The result:

better jawline

better profile

stronger chin

without actual jaw growth.
THE HARSH TRUTH

Not everyone is built for CCW rotation.

If you have:

.low mandibular plane

.short face

.large chin

.deep bite

you may not benefit much.

Some people already have the look others are trying to create.

THE BIGGEST MISTAKE

Chasing maximum projection.

The goal is not:

"most forward jaw possible."

The goal is:

FACIAL HARMONY.

A balanced 7/10 profile beats an over-advanced uncanny profile every time.


HOW TO KNOW IF YOU'RE A CANDIDATE

Get:

.lateral ceph

.CBCT if necessary

.orthodontic consultation

.actual measurements

A single X-ray tells more than 500 forum comments.


FINAL VERDICT

Most people obsess over eye area, canthal tilt, or minor asymmetries.

Meanwhile their entire lower third is being determined by jaw position and vertical growth pattern.

You can have perfect eyes and still look average with poor jaw mechanics.

Understand the skeleton before obsessing over the details.




Also I'll be getting Tads in 10 days so if by then I'll show u my growth in real time
 
One of the biggest differences between an average profile and a top-tier profile is often not the nose, eyes, or even the chin.

It's jaw position.

More specifically:

COUNTER-CLOCKWISE (CCW) ROTATION.

View attachment 372706
WHAT IS CCW ROTATION?

CCW rotation is when the mandible rotates upward and forward.

Visual effects:

.more projected chin

.stronger jawline

.shorter lower third

.better neck-jaw angle

.less recessed appearance

.more compact face

This is why some people have a "hunter" profile while others look elongated and weak despite having decent features.

View attachment 372707
THE WEDGE THEORY

Imagine placing a wedge under a door.

The door can't close.

Your posterior teeth work similarly.

If the back teeth are too vertically developed, they hold the mandible downward and backward.

This creates:

.long face appearance

.weaker jawline

.downward growth pattern

.reduced chin projection

View attachment 372711
Remove the wedge.

Jaw rotates.

Profile improves.
SIGNS YOU MAY ASCEND

.gummy smile

.long midface

.long lower third

.open bite

.high mandibular plane

.weak neck-jaw angle

.downward grown face

People with already strong forward growth may gain little from further rotation.

THE BIGGEST FRAUDS

Jaw trainers

Chewing gum transformations

TikTok jaw hacks

Face pulling

Random mewing before-and-afters

Most of these do not create actual skeletal CCW rotation.

At best:

muscle development

better posture

temporary appearance changes

At worst:

placebo.

THE REAL METHODS

METHOD 1

POSTERIOR MOLAR INTRUSION

Most realistic non-surgical route.

Orthodontists use TADs.

Temporary screws are placed in bone.

These screws push the back teeth upward.

As the posterior wedge decreases:

.mandible rotates forward

.chin projects

.lower face shortens

View attachment 372714

This is where most legitimate non-surgical CCW results come from.

METHOD 2

INCISOR RETRACTION

Many people have flared upper incisors.

These act like a wall.

The jaw wants to rotate forward but gets blocked.

Retracting the upper teeth:

.opens room for rotation

.improves lip position

.improves side profile

View attachment 372718

Retraction is often underrated.

METHOD 3

ORTHOGNATHIC SURGERY

The nuclear option.

Most dramatic results.

Largest skeletal changes.

Can produce:

.massive chin projection

.major jawline improvements

.true skeletal CCW rotation

View attachment 372719

Downside:

.expensive

.recovery

.surgery

WHY SOME PEOPLE LOOK BETTER AFTER BRACES

Many people think:

"His jaw grew."

Sometimes it didn't.

What happened was:

.posterior intrusion

.bite correction

.dental compensation removal

.small CCW autorotation

The result:

better jawline

better profile

stronger chin

without actual jaw growth.
THE HARSH TRUTH

Not everyone is built for CCW rotation.

If you have:

.low mandibular plane

.short face

.large chin

.deep bite

you may not benefit much.

Some people already have the look others are trying to create.

THE BIGGEST MISTAKE

Chasing maximum projection.

The goal is not:

"most forward jaw possible."

The goal is:

FACIAL HARMONY.

A balanced 7/10 profile beats an over-advanced uncanny profile every time.


HOW TO KNOW IF YOU'RE A CANDIDATE

Get:

.lateral ceph

.CBCT if necessary

.orthodontic consultation

.actual measurements

A single X-ray tells more than 500 forum comments.


FINAL VERDICT

Most people obsess over eye area, canthal tilt, or minor asymmetries.

Meanwhile their entire lower third is being determined by jaw position and vertical growth pattern.

You can have perfect eyes and still look average with poor jaw mechanics.

Understand the skeleton before obsessing over the details.




Seems good I need this lwk


Getting Invisalign this fall
 
One of the biggest differences between an average profile and a top-tier profile is often not the nose, eyes, or even the chin.

It's jaw position.

More specifically:

COUNTER-CLOCKWISE (CCW) ROTATION.

View attachment 372706
WHAT IS CCW ROTATION?

CCW rotation is when the mandible rotates upward and forward.

Visual effects:

.more projected chin

.stronger jawline

.shorter lower third

.better neck-jaw angle

.less recessed appearance

.more compact face

This is why some people have a "hunter" profile while others look elongated and weak despite having decent features.

View attachment 372707
THE WEDGE THEORY

Imagine placing a wedge under a door.

The door can't close.

Your posterior teeth work similarly.

If the back teeth are too vertically developed, they hold the mandible downward and backward.

This creates:

.long face appearance

.weaker jawline

.downward growth pattern

.reduced chin projection

View attachment 372711
Remove the wedge.

Jaw rotates.

Profile improves.
SIGNS YOU MAY ASCEND

.gummy smile

.long midface

.long lower third

.open bite

.high mandibular plane

.weak neck-jaw angle

.downward grown face

People with already strong forward growth may gain little from further rotation.

THE BIGGEST FRAUDS

Jaw trainers

Chewing gum transformations

TikTok jaw hacks

Face pulling

Random mewing before-and-afters

Most of these do not create actual skeletal CCW rotation.

At best:

muscle development

better posture

temporary appearance changes

At worst:

placebo.

THE REAL METHODS

METHOD 1

POSTERIOR MOLAR INTRUSION

Most realistic non-surgical route.

Orthodontists use TADs.

Temporary screws are placed in bone.

These screws push the back teeth upward.

As the posterior wedge decreases:

.mandible rotates forward

.chin projects

.lower face shortens

View attachment 372714

This is where most legitimate non-surgical CCW results come from.

METHOD 2

INCISOR RETRACTION

Many people have flared upper incisors.

These act like a wall.

The jaw wants to rotate forward but gets blocked.

Retracting the upper teeth:

.opens room for rotation

.improves lip position

.improves side profile

View attachment 372718

Retraction is often underrated.

METHOD 3

ORTHOGNATHIC SURGERY

The nuclear option.

Most dramatic results.

Largest skeletal changes.

Can produce:

.massive chin projection

.major jawline improvements

.true skeletal CCW rotation

View attachment 372719

Downside:

.expensive

.recovery

.surgery

WHY SOME PEOPLE LOOK BETTER AFTER BRACES

Many people think:

"His jaw grew."

Sometimes it didn't.

What happened was:

.posterior intrusion

.bite correction

.dental compensation removal

.small CCW autorotation

The result:

better jawline

better profile

stronger chin

without actual jaw growth.
THE HARSH TRUTH

Not everyone is built for CCW rotation.

If you have:

.low mandibular plane

.short face

.large chin

.deep bite

you may not benefit much.

Some people already have the look others are trying to create.

THE BIGGEST MISTAKE

Chasing maximum projection.

The goal is not:

"most forward jaw possible."

The goal is:

FACIAL HARMONY.

A balanced 7/10 profile beats an over-advanced uncanny profile every time.


HOW TO KNOW IF YOU'RE A CANDIDATE

Get:

.lateral ceph

.CBCT if necessary

.orthodontic consultation

.actual measurements

A single X-ray tells more than 500 forum comments.


FINAL VERDICT

Most people obsess over eye area, canthal tilt, or minor asymmetries.

Meanwhile their entire lower third is being determined by jaw position and vertical growth pattern.

You can have perfect eyes and still look average with poor jaw mechanics.

Understand the skeleton before obsessing over the details.




good thread this deserves more recognition. bump
 
im looking for using TADs to fix both my gummy smile and bad lower third
tomorrow is my dentist consultation, i hope i can convince her to let me get them with invisalign and push my teeth forwards and upwards without needing to look like a teenager with braces
 

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